knoodelhed on November 28, 2011, 02:13:54 am
FWIW, I'm sure that Hogan Security like any private business (particularly based in the UW) would be subject to numerous laws and regulations as well as licensing and insurance, as well as have a customer comment system. A few well distributed video clips just might do something interesting to their stock price.  ;D  Tho I don't see any direct relationship to current events (eg, Occupy) it seems (with my limited understanding of world history) that something like what Frank Martin is describing could have occurred in Africa or Asia in the early 1900s. Anyway, this is an interesting situation to say the least!

Azure Priest on November 28, 2011, 08:33:07 am
Oh, yeah. This could turn real ugly, real fast.

First thing to do, is secure the pole to pole subway system.

Second thing to do, as has been shown on Ceres, set up cameras EVERYWHERE, and let EVERYONE know they're being watched.

Third thing to do, keep the kids home, close to momma and poppa. We don't want another "Black Mamba" incident.

UncleRice on November 29, 2011, 10:35:07 am
Hogan Security sounds a lot like the Pinkertons.
Stupid criminals put on a mask and rob people with a gun.
Smart criminals put on a suit, call themselves politicians, and rob people with writ of law.

jrl on November 29, 2011, 02:48:54 pm
Sounds more reminiscent of the scenario of the Lunar revolution in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, than any historical event I'm familiar with.

But I've got to admit there is WAY more history out there I haven't heard about than there is that I have. I have a pretty fair handle on US & British history, OK on western Europe, but the rest of the world? a few disjointed incidents at best.

Of course maybe I just think I have a fair handle on US history (never mind anywhere else). . . I never heard about the coup plot by a number of very rich Americans during the 30s to overthrow the US government, which was turned in by Gen. Smedley Butler, 'till this week.

jrl on November 29, 2011, 03:25:06 pm
BTW: While google returns lots of results for "San Blas War," at least the first couple pages of results have precious few details. . . Westernizers tried to force their ways on the traditional culture, tried to force fathers to send their daughters to dance halls, a rape or two, and the people revolted killing 20 police, and settled for semi-autonomous status.

knoodelhed on November 29, 2011, 03:42:45 pm

SandySandfort on November 30, 2011, 08:07:32 am
BTW: While google returns lots of results for "San Blas War," at least the first couple pages of results have precious few details. . . Westernizers tried to force their ways on the traditional culture, tried to force fathers to send their daughters to dance halls, a rape or two, and the people revolted killing 20 police, and settled for semi-autonomous status.

Yes, but "settled for semi-autonomous status" is ambiguous. The Kunas won the war. They permitted the Panamanian government to claim the legal fiction that Kuna Yala a "semi-autonomous" territory. But if Panamanian law does not apply in Kuna Yala, what is left to be "semi" about Kuna Yala's autonomy?

Azure Priest on December 01, 2011, 08:24:32 am
Well, we've got BOSS HOG, we've got some dukes, now all we need is a sheriff Rosco. When is officer P. Coultraine going to make an appearance?

TMIAHM on December 04, 2011, 11:38:51 pm
Well the General Lee should be able to make some epic jumps in the low gravity! :)

Homer2101 on December 06, 2011, 01:27:46 am
It's an interesting situation; will have to read up on the historical reference after finals are done.

The big danger to any populist movement is that the entity being challenged or resisted might not care about public opinion, internal or external, and might not care about the final body count so long as it achieves its objectives. We saw such a situation play out in Eastern Europe in the 1950s and 60s, in China in 1989, in Chechnya at the beginning of this millennium, and can see it in Syria today. Public opinion does not matter in the face of guns and the will to use them without remorse, and no guerrilla movement will survive in the long term against a determined opponent who would destroy everything before ceding control. Mao's statement that a guerrilla must be a fish among fish in the ocean* only works if there are fish among which to hide, an ocean in which to swim, and oxygen in the ocean to breathe.

But that depends on where the strip's authors want this story to go, and the exact situation on the ground, which we readers probably are not that closely familiar with. Or maybe I'm just slow. But it sounds like the northerners on Mercury have neither the resources nor the willpower to get what they want.

*Badly paraphrased, but the meaning is essentially the same.
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sam on December 06, 2011, 04:30:04 am
The big danger to any populist movement is that the entity being challenged or resisted might not care about public opinion, internal or external, and might not care about the final body count so long as it achieves its objectives.

Asymmetric warfare, is warfare by the weak against the strong. If the strong are unhampered by moral qualms, are reasonably united, sane, and competent, the strong are going to win.

Progressives, however, suffer from the serious disadvantage of a utilitarian moral ideology.  If they follow their ideology, they lose against asymmetric warfare.  If they violate their ideology, they lose unity and cohesion, and again lose.

I notice that in the EFT universe, pretty much every moderately wealthy individual has devices that can dispense enormous energies.  They travel in spaceships that employ hyperbolic orbits, they all own something like nuclear reactors.  Thus most of them have, or could easily improvise, the equivalent of a small twenty first century nation's nuclear arsenal.

Under these circumstances, people will be reluctant to behave in ways that lead to all out open warfare.  Any act of violence needs to deeply cloaked in the plausible appearance of legitimacy, thus conflict will be nine tenths symbols, one tenth violence.

UncleRice on December 06, 2011, 10:44:38 am
I notice that in the EFT universe, pretty much every moderately wealthy individual has devices that can dispense enormous energies.  They travel in spaceships that employ hyperbolic orbits, they all own something like nuclear reactors.  Thus most of them have, or could easily improvise, the equivalent of a small twenty first century nation's nuclear arsenal.
Indeed, the only way you would get their space ships to function in the way they do is if they had nuclear or equivalent energy sources. That means pretty much everyone is a nuclear capable entity. It's a small miracle that the earth isn't a radioactive wasteland as it would only take a few loose cannons with nothing to loose to lay waste to the planet.
Stupid criminals put on a mask and rob people with a gun.
Smart criminals put on a suit, call themselves politicians, and rob people with writ of law.

mellyrn on December 06, 2011, 02:55:42 pm
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It's a small miracle that the earth isn't a radioactive wasteland as it would only take a few loose cannons with nothing to loose to lay waste to the planet.

It's a "miracle" only to a given view of "human nature".  Absent a deity, what has happened so far (and what has failed to happen) is, almost tautologically, the result of human nature.

And we may yet render the earth a radioactive desert.  Exhilarating, not knowing, hey?

quadibloc on December 16, 2011, 03:37:40 pm
It's a "miracle" only to a given view of "human nature".  Absent a deity, what has happened so far (and what has failed to happen) is, almost tautologically, the result of human nature.
He was talking about the EFT universe, not the real world.

And, of course, the people on Terra don't have personal fusion generators, but are beholden to large utilities instead. Only the free people have this kind of power.

Mind you, just in the news today is a story about how three people were murdered on the highway to Calgary by a jilted boyfriend. So I reject the notion that the "given view of 'human nature'" is a particularly misanthropic one.

Killydd on December 19, 2011, 01:04:52 pm
Apparently human nature has been changing though:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228340.100-steven-pinker-humans-are-less-violent-than-ever.html?full=true

Of course, an on average good view of human nature doesn't keep you from looking at the outliers that might consider detonating a fusion reactor over an important piece of real estate, just to make their point for a cause. 

 

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