sams on September 19, 2011, 01:20:34 pm
The strike doesn't make much sense in the arc ... why can't the hotel ship in a new batch of workers ?

SandySandfort on September 19, 2011, 10:33:55 pm
The strike doesn't make much sense in the arc ... why can't the hotel ship in a new batch of workers ?

From where and in what time-frame at what cost? Is the new "batch" trained, bonded, used to working in .38 gee, etc.? People are not interchangeable parts.

ContraryGuy on September 20, 2011, 12:30:02 am
The strike doesn't make much sense in the arc ... why can't the hotel ship in a new batch of workers ?

From where and in what time-frame at what cost? Is the new "batch" trained, bonded, used to working in .38 gee, etc.? People are not interchangeable parts.

In a capitalistic society?  Yes, they are.  Market forces, baby.  One part breaks down, another part replaces it.  Just depends on how badly you want it.

mellyrn on September 20, 2011, 05:12:47 pm
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People are not interchangeable parts.
In a capitalistic society?  Yes, they are.

Really?  So, the local hospital can hire me as a brain surgeon in the event of a doctors' strike?

You live in a funny world.  On my planet, capitalists make money from getting a particular job done.  No employee --> no job done, but also no payroll; incompetent employee --> no job done AND they still get paid.

I ain't hiring you to run my business, that's for sure.

sam on September 20, 2011, 06:41:34 pm
From where and in what time-frame at what cost? Is the new "batch" trained, bonded, used to working in .38 gee, etc.? People are not interchangeable parts.

In a capitalistic society?  Yes, they are.  Market forces, baby.

In your universe, like Obama's, people don't actually produce anything.  If it was not for those evil capitalist overlords who jumped the queue and snatched up all the good stuff, no one would need to work at their job, they would just get paid - pretty much the way all Obama's pals do it.

Jtuxyan on September 20, 2011, 10:24:42 pm
Are people interchangeable parts? No.

Can people be replaced? Yes. With effort. Depending on how rare their skills are.

Replacing a maid is a heck of a lot easier then replacing a brain surgeon. And for industries where the labor is easily replaced, firing and replacing everyone can be cheaper then settling with the union. See: The Homestead Strike.

quadibloc on September 20, 2011, 10:43:44 pm
Really?  So, the local hospital can hire me as a brain surgeon in the event of a doctors' strike?
Obviously, he didn't mean that. So he must have phrased whatever it was he actually did mean poorly.

Perhaps he means that street-sweepers can be taxed, and the money so raised can be used to hire brain surgeons, and so since every good or service can be purchased with the money raised by selling any other good or service, everything is "interchangeable" in that sense. How that would be relevant, though, as an objection to it being possible to inconvenience people by temporarily making some services harder to obtain locally... is unclear to me.

ContraryGuy on September 21, 2011, 12:30:55 am
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People are not interchangeable parts.
In a capitalistic society?  Yes, they are.

Really?  So, the local hospital can hire me as a brain surgeon in the event of a doctors' strike?

You live in a funny world.  On my planet, capitalists make money from getting a particular job done.  No employee --> no job done, but also no payroll; incompetent employee --> no job done AND they still get paid.

I ain't hiring you to run my business, that's for sure.

From a capitalists point of view, it doesnt who you are, as long as you achieve the desired result, efficiently, on or before schedule and without costing more than budgeted.

If the only surgeon goes on strike and the needed surgery is immediate and dire, then either the surgeons demands are met or you find another one, whatever the cost.

it all comes down to money in the capitalists view.  People do not exist, they are merely resources to be used like any other commodity.

ContraryGuy on September 21, 2011, 12:41:55 am
From where and in what time-frame at what cost? Is the new "batch" trained, bonded, used to working in .38 gee, etc.? People are not interchangeable parts.

In a capitalistic society?  Yes, they are.  Market forces, baby.

In your universe, like Obama's, people don't actually produce anything.  If it was not for those evil capitalist overlords who jumped the queue and snatched up all the good stuff, no one would need to work at their job, they would just get paid - pretty much the way all Obama's pals do it.

If thats what being an Obama pal gets, a lifetime of ease with riches and no work, baby, I'll take it!
I've been working hard my whole adult life. if someone want to come along and give me money, I aint stupid; of course, I'll say yes.

Of course I dont know why I am feeding the troll, maybe I'm feeling generous on my sickbed.

Big.Swede on September 21, 2011, 09:27:37 am
From where and in what time-frame at what cost? Is the new "batch" trained, bonded, used to working in .38 gee, etc.? People are not interchangeable parts.

In a capitalistic society?  Yes, they are.  Market forces, baby.

In your universe, like Obama's, people don't actually produce anything.  If it was not for those evil capitalist overlords who jumped the queue and snatched up all the good stuff, no one would need to work at their job, they would just get paid - pretty much the way all Obama's pals do it.

Classic exaggeration and oversimplification of the socialistic idea. Itīs been done to death by capitalists through the century. Likewise socialists has done it with capitalism. To death.

But this isnīt the Soviet Union party congress or Fox news.
"Iīm purely a layman, wondering from a laymans point of view."