Space Patton! on October 21, 2006, 03:43:46 pm
What is the most powerful nation (nation) in the world?

Space Patton! on October 21, 2006, 03:44:54 pm
Sorry, should read "What is the most powerful nation (nations) in the world?

Zen Redneck on October 22, 2006, 08:29:28 am
By 1947, only Texas has the nuke, so that would suggest Texas is the most powerful in a sense. But soon after the events of the story, Japan, the US, the Reich, and California all acquire it. Ireland is a special case. It had access to nukes, but didn't produce them.

The US and the Reich have the largest standing armed forces, but the Reich's forces are largely bogged down in Eastern Europe and Russia.

Texas has the largest reserve force, so to speak, as virtually everybody is a member of the militia in some capacity or another. Japan has emulated Texas in that respect, and is also potentially very powerful.

Russia doesn't figure in, because it's mostly occupied by the Reich, and has no effective central government.

Space Patton! on October 22, 2006, 05:20:05 pm
What do you mean? Is Stalin dead? :-[ :-[

Scott on October 25, 2006, 07:12:17 pm
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. But it could be that when the NAZIs took Moscow, Uncle Joe took it on the lam and is hiding out somewhere in Uzbekistan or someplace like that. Or maybe he's hanging out with Mao. At any rate, his credibility as "defender of Russia" is shattered and he likely has little or no power anymore.

Space Patton! on October 25, 2006, 10:00:58 pm
So, if most of the poliburto is dead or deposed, why is the eastern front causing Fuherer Edward so much trouble (what's the story behind that, by the way?)

Zen Redneck on October 26, 2006, 01:43:42 pm
Yes. Stalin's either dead or in hiding. Nazis blitzkrieged the place, the government collapsed, etc., but plenty of partisan guerrillas kept fighting Russian and Ukranian nationalists, Communists, Christians. Nazis have heaps of troops committed just to keep from losing the whole place.

Scott on October 29, 2006, 05:09:32 pm
And don't forget that even though Texas isn't officially in the war, individual Texicans would be finding various ways to confound the Nazis. Probably supporting various partisan and insurgent groups in eastern Europe with both materiel and sometimes joining the fray themselves.

Rocketman on December 20, 2006, 09:51:46 pm
That makes sense Scott.  If the Communists are no longer in control of Russia then I can see Texans wanting to help them to
regain some of their liberty from the Nazi's.  If they weren't then the most any free person could hope for would be that the
last communist kills the last nazi and then dies of his own wounds.

KiloSeven on March 17, 2007, 12:11:13 pm
What do you mean? Is Stalin dead? :-[ :-[
Well, you see, when Karl Marx was booted out of Belgium in 1848, the invite he got in our timeline to camp out in Paris, extended by the revolutionaries who just overthrew King Louis Philippe, was lost in the mail.  Marx, who didn't have a pot to...  instead accepted a generous offer from the NY Tribune (for whom he was already writing for, in our timeline) and came Stateside with his family to plug THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, while seeing the New World for the first time.  Engels stayed; with family money, he could afford a better lifestyle while being kicked out of one after another Eurocountry.

Of course, a revolution's highly attractive to observe, so Karl pushed the assignment to go down to Texas and report on the Republic for the NY Trib.  Since his son, Edgar, had died the year before from TB, and three other infant children had died as well, fresh air and hot, dry climes appeals to the Marx family. Besides, it's not wilderness; San Antonio, Houston, and Galveston were all about one-third German, and there's Pearl Lager and Shiner Bock...

So, there he is in Texas, mit frau Jenny, unt das kinder Jenny Caroline, Jenny Laura and Jenny Julia Eleanor. Texas is far better to the Marx family than Yurp, and without Engels' influence, he gives up on Das Kapital, instead getting staked to start his own German-language newspaper in Austin, DAS KAPITAL TIMES, marketed to the 'German Belt', which had been (both timelines) been settled with the help of the Verein zum Schutz deutscher Einwanderer in Texas and recently saw a wave of well-educated Germans (the "48'ers") fleeing Euro-revolutions (both timelines).

He is free to champion better solutions to The Jewish Question (being the grandson of two rabbis, something he has a nodding acquaintance with) while turning his literary talents to favor abolition  (which succeeds in alt.Texas, as it's no longer just a resource base for the Confederacy and didn't suffer in our War of Northern Aggression) and amicable relations with Texan tribes (also successful).

Engels, without Marx, creates a less appealing brand of Communism, so the Whites hold out longer after the October counter-revolution. Uncle Joe inherits a much more fragmented SovUnion from Vladimir Illyich, with a surviving White Russian nation in Vladivostok. When SovUnion bites the big one in W W II, most of those folks emigrate to the Land of the Really Free, Texan Alaska.
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Zen Redneck on March 18, 2007, 09:50:48 am
The Marx thing I like.  Maybe Marx even became a Belinskiite.

jayphailey on April 10, 2007, 07:19:08 pm
> Japan has emulated Texas in that respect, and is also potentially very powerful.

How do you figure? 

Japan from the 1890s onward was working hard to  equal the western powers in industrial might - But uit was transistioning from a sort of feudal system to a technocratic system

The Japanese regime was always about control and social stability.

I can see them borrowing industrial techniques from the Texans, but I cannot see that culture picking up the individualism, and sense of armed resistance you apply to Texas.

Where did that change occur?

Jay ~Meow!~

Rocketman on April 10, 2007, 11:32:35 pm
Well lets see, maybe instead of Admiral Dewey bringing western technology to Nippon it was a Texican who also threw into the mix a little individuality by establishing a regular trade root between the two nations.  ;D

jayphailey on April 11, 2007, 01:44:15 pm
You know that sort of implies a huge rebellion and lots of very opinionated Samurai and Nobles with their heads on pikes.

I am not really seeing the down side,  but there it is.

Jay ~Meow!~

Rocketman on April 11, 2007, 08:50:02 pm

"You know that sort of implies a huge rebellion and lots of very opinionated Samurai and Nobles with their heads on pikes."

  You make that sound like it's a bad thing! 
   No, seriously though, if conditions were ripe for a revolution and the Texican sold or mislayed a few hundred Walker Colts it probably would have been enough to change the dynamic of the old Noble, warrior and peasent relationship.  If a group of people who were poorly treated had the means to end their enslavement very few I think would continue to keep the status quo.  At least that's the way I feel.