Intent upon proving repeatedy that he most definitely
is gibberingly insane, we've got from
sams:
Did the EFT team hired some Chinese trolls to balance the debate ?
Shove your Randian BS up your ass, Children before 18 are under discretion of their parents, who are the ones who feed and take care of them until they can make their own decisions.
Ah, good. So when persons of any age demonstrate the ability to "
feed and take care of"
themselves, "
they can make their own decisions" regarding sexual liaisons regardless of calendar age, right?
Jeez, no wonder the social/traditionalist "
conservative" types hate the capitalist free market just as much as do their fellow authoritarians on the socialist/progressive/"Liberal" side. By freeing the individual human being from economically crippling restrictions imposed to prevent her/him from earning valuta (or plunder him/her into perpetual poverty), an AnCap economy poses a terrible threat to the crushing-out of the individual autonomy that comes naturally with individual material prosperity.
What next,
sams? Are you going to fume, Bumble-fashion, about parish workhouse orphans getting uppity on an excess of protein when the undertaker's family allow them scraps of leftover meat instead of keeping 'em on a proper pauper's diet of gruel?
Treating Paedophiles like criminals isn't infringing on the right of anyone ... unless criminals ought to be free too you know.
Any children below 15 can't consent to anything because for one their aren't mature and for two they don't know what the frack is sex ... so you are a fracking pervert is you are a NAMBLOID.
Even for Children above 15 to 18, their consent is still subject to their parents judgement as their guardians.
Interesting unnecessary capitalization of "
Pedophiles," there, but that's only further evidence of
sams' insanity, which is an already established fact. Let's see;
sams insists that it is moral to physically attack, imprison, and otherwise punish people who have a sexual interest in children or adolescents not yet grown to meet some arbitrary "age of consent" because they're criminals, and they're criminals because
sams and his co-religionists have insisted that "
children below 15 can't consent to anything."
Oh? So how come we keep getting all this social/traditionalist "
conservative" noise about how people committing violent assault (including mayhem and murder) well below the age of 15 have got to be "prosecuted as
adults!" in order to preserve society (however these collectivist clowns want to define "society" this week) from catastrophic disintegration?
I had remarked some days ago that the matter of moral agency doesn't seem to be coming into this discussion at all. When is it that a human being becomes capable of criminal
mens rea?
Speaking of religious whackjobs, are readers here aware that the Roman Catholic Church considers a member of their flock to have become capable of committing a mortal sin - and thereby condemning his/her unshriven soul to hell for all eternity - at the age of 7 years?
Talk about consequences.....
Have social/traditionalist "
conservative" specimens like
sams made any case as yet that sexual activity is necessarily and invariable harmful to human beings at any age? Nope. The best we've seen in this forum thus far - and it's not from
sams - runs along the lines of the unsupported contention that because sexual relationships are very "intense" (oh, yeah?), they're too brain-boggling for a
Homo sapiens below some arbitrary calendar age to engage in without drastic adverse consequences.
Gotta scar 'em for life. Or something. Like I said, insane.
Er, does the meaning of the expression "a roll in the hay" escape the appreciation of these social/traditionalist "
conservative" types completely? Even among adults involved in heterosexual relationships, copulation
pour l'amour o pour le sport goes on quite commonly without any intention that these contacts will lead to cohabitation, much less the ties of matrimony.
And baby-making is
not the objective of all this swiving. Heck, it's an adverse consequence much to be avoided.
Except for people like
sams, who's insane, people in our civilization today widely and unabashedly acknowledge that even the fetus
in utero (regardless of gender) has the capacity to seek and find pleasure in genital - what we'll call "sexual" - stimulation, and that capacity continues to manifest throughout infancy, childhood, and (hoo, boy,
definitely!) adolescence, in spite of the way crazy people like
sams insanely insist that for some reason (er,
what reason?) these "legal infants" are not supposed to engage that libidinal drive in any way at all.
Yeah, sure. And the participants in a Boy Scout campfire circle-jerk are engaged in a criminal conspiracy, each the "victim" of the kid sitting to his left. And all of them should spend the rest of their lives as registered "violent sex offenders," 'cause by
sams lights, they're all "
NAMBLOID" types.
The capacity for sexual stimulation and for deriving pleasure from sexual stimulation is a characteristic so commonplace among human beings from
before birth through the very last years of old age that the absence of such is considered evidence of organic or psychiatric pathology. This kind of anhedonia is, for example, one of the symptoms sought by doctors in assessing patients suspected of suffering depressed mood. We don't search out such symptoms in children and young teenagers when we're exploring such diagnostic possibilities because kids pick up a good appreciation of the gibbering insanity of people like
sams and clam up about the sex play in which they indulge, both with age-peers and with adults. They stress out with embarrassment when any adult asks them about it.
Not that adults with mood disorders don't respond with similar reluctance. Remember Heinlein's dictum: "
Everybody lies about sex."
Capacities such as what we might as well call "the sex drive" (not the drive to reproduce, or to find a life partner in marriage, but just to get one's proverbial rocks off) do not manifest so reliably, so strongly, and so widely if the exercise of such capacities is intrinsically, invariably, inescapably dangerous or damaging. One might as well condemn a baby for gumming Zwieback as for happily humping a plush toy in his playpen, right?
Or a ten-year-old (boy or girl) spending rather more time in the bathroom than the chores of grooming and elimination necessitate.
They also tend to discover at early ages the compounded pleasure of sexual activities with other people. Mutual manual stimulation is so commonplace as to be unremarkable, and indeed proves to be unmemorable, the kind of "everybody does it when you're a kid" activities that very, very few grown people care even to consciously acknowledge.
Remember, we modern Americans are living in a culture where a President of these United States who got blowjobs regularly from government employees subject to his direct orders could say: "I did not have sex with that woman."
When irrumation in the Oval Office isn't considered "sex," how might most adult men think about how they used to get really nice blowjobs from kindly old Mr. Johnson (or his fellow "
NAMBLOID") on their way home from Little League practice?
Okay, we've established that in the AnCap society of Ceres and the rest of the Belt as depicted in
Escape From Terra there is emphatically no
economic reason why people who have not yet reached the arbitrary calendar age set by frothingly insane social/traditionalist "
conservative" authoritarians like
sams can't emancipate themselves by providing independently for themselves their own means of securing food, clothing, housing, and the other material requirements of life support in this environment.
We have also established that well before the idiotically arbitrary and senseless "ages of consent" noised about by
sams, normal, healthy human beings have a perfectly functional appetite for pleasurable genital - sexual - stimulation.
Heck, they even come into the capability to generate offspring of their own. Remember those young American males who wind up paying child support for decades as the result of screwing-around they'd done when they themselves were jailbait a decade or so away from the daily necessity of shaving?
So what kinds of conditions in the AnCap society of Ceres and the rest of the Asteroid Belt could possibly exist to support
sams' howlingly insane contention that there would be condoned under the Zero Aggression Principle any sort of fantastical "
conservative" familial practice of violently assaulting those "
NAMBLOID" persons who engage in consenting sexual relationships with persons (male or female) in the first or second decades of life?