Holt on April 12, 2011, 02:29:24 pm
Hey, blaming the middle east on Jews is like blaming US racism on WASPs. Or blaming the atrocities of the Union Army on Yankees.

It's like blaming the Mafia on Italians. There could be a little bit of a sort of truth to it, but it's another way to miss the point.


They're a part of it these days. Iran would most likely be less interested in nuclear weapons if Israel didn't have a load of them

GlennWatson on April 12, 2011, 03:03:39 pm
Well everyones racist to some extent. Me? I just plain don't like Jews. Not individually mind you just as a cultural entity.

Well as long as its not individually thats ok.

J Thomas on April 12, 2011, 03:29:37 pm
Hey, blaming the middle east on Jews is like blaming US racism on WASPs. Or blaming the atrocities of the Union Army on Yankees.

It's like blaming the Mafia on Italians. There could be a little bit of a sort of truth to it, but it's another way to miss the point.


They're a part of it these days. Iran would most likely be less interested in nuclear weapons if Israel didn't have a load of them

Sure, Israel is the most important bad actor in the middle east. But blaming Israel on Jews is like blaming National Socialism on Germans.

Holt on April 12, 2011, 04:05:51 pm

Sure, Israel is the most important bad actor in the middle east. But blaming Israel on Jews is like blaming National Socialism on Germans.


Israel is a Jewish nation in case you forgot. That was kind of the point of it being established and something they enforce numerous extremely racist immigration laws to ensure continues.

J Thomas on April 12, 2011, 06:38:36 pm

Sure, Israel is the most important bad actor in the middle east. But blaming Israel on Jews is like blaming National Socialism on Germans.

Israel is a Jewish nation in case you forgot. That was kind of the point of it being established and something they enforce numerous extremely racist immigration laws to ensure continues.

Yes, and Nazi Germany was a German nation. But they got over it. Only a minority of the worlds Jewish people have ever been involved with Israel. And many Israelis just live there without actually having much to do with policy or enforcement of policy.

Why blame everybody for the crimes of a small minority?

Holt on April 12, 2011, 07:17:36 pm
Because they can change it?
Inaction can be just as much a crime as action

J Thomas on April 12, 2011, 08:35:08 pm
Because they can change it?
Inaction can be just as much a crime as action

If you want to take responsibility for everything that's wrong with your society that you haven't fixed yet, you won't have a lot of energy left over for blaming others for their society's problems.

Holt on April 12, 2011, 08:51:13 pm
Because they can change it?
Inaction can be just as much a crime as action

If you want to take responsibility for everything that's wrong with your society that you haven't fixed yet, you won't have a lot of energy left over for blaming others for their society's problems.


Do you have any idea how hard it is to catalogue the number of people who need to be killed? Let alone those who need to be punished.

GlennWatson on April 12, 2011, 10:11:21 pm
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Do you have any idea how hard it is to catalogue the number of people who need to be killed? Let alone those who need to be punished.

Almost as hard as looking into one's own heart.

Apollo-Soyuz on April 12, 2011, 11:52:35 pm
Note also that the US usually gets 90-120million doses of seasonal flu vaccine in a typical year. The predictions from the CDC in mid 2009 look to have been that they would get >100million dose each of both the standard seasonal flu vaccine and of the H1N1 vaccine, by early Nov 2009, despite the fact that producing the H1N1 vaccine slowed down production of the standard seasonal vaccine (even leaving aside the development and testing of the new vaccine, you're using the same production lines for it that you would for the standard vaccine. You don't just throw together a facility for producing vaccine on an industrial scale, you have to use what you already have or spend a lot of time - that you generally don't have - building new capacity. Which will then end up sitting idle once the pandemic is over).

Yea, I remember in some areas the H1N1 vaccine was restricted to pregnant women only, the shortages were so acute.  But the seasonal flu shot was widely available, I noticed no shortage. For months I couldn't get the H1N1 shot, and when I finally could, the pandemic appears to have never shown up and the season was at least half over. I waited until last Oct 2010 to get the seasonal shot that included H1N1 in the three guesses of the dominate strains.

terry_freeman on April 13, 2011, 12:51:01 am
Gotta love the food, oy vay, what wonderful eats!

Are you kidding me? In all my life, I have yet to meet any Jewish cook worthy of the appellation. The food isn't quite inedible, but it's not far above.

J Thomas on April 13, 2011, 05:39:23 am
Gotta love the food, oy vay, what wonderful eats!

Are you kidding me? In all my life, I have yet to meet any Jewish cook worthy of the appellation. The food isn't quite inedible, but it's not far above.

I'm kind of indifferent to the english recipes, I usually like the german ones. Some of the russian stuff is very good and some of it I can't eat. I usually like the middle-east food but sometimes not. The Jewish brazilian food I tried was excellent but coconut oil isn't that good for you.

GlennWatson on April 13, 2011, 06:37:34 am
Gotta love the food, oy vay, what wonderful eats!

Are you kidding me? In all my life, I have yet to meet any Jewish cook worthy of the appellation. The food isn't quite inedible, but it's not far above.

I have to agree, but hey seem to like it.  I went to a Seder once.  Not good.  I know that is not a typical meal but still.

Apollo-Soyuz on April 13, 2011, 07:46:42 am
...but coconut oil isn't that good for you.

Plenty of people would argue with you on this point. What is undeniable though, is that the saturated fat in coconut oil is quite a bit different than the stuff in bacon grease from feedlot pork.

spudit on April 13, 2011, 09:06:58 am
Mmm bacon grease, Homer Simpson puts butter on his bacon, mmm.

I was refering to kosher deli food, all beef hotdogs for one. That is all I know much about.
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