SandySandfort on January 30, 2011, 10:54:06 am
My recent interactions with ContraryGuy have made me realize something about myself; I suffer fools way more than I should. I need to follow Heinlein's dictum when trying to enlighten fools, trolls and intellectual lightweights. “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”

So, realize, I will neither read nor respond to your posts if:

* You clearly intend to be confrontational rather than reasonable.
* You do not use proper English grammar and spelling. Sloppy writing is indicative of sloppy thinking. (If your first language was not English, you get a pass.)
* You are too verbose or otherwise cannot express yourself cogently and succinctly. Wandering all around Robin Hood's barn does not indicate clarity of thought.
* You create increasingly bizarre scenarios to support your failed arguments. E.g., "Yeah, but how would an AnCap society deal with vampire leprechauns, Huh?"
* Your comments have little or no relevance to the EFT universe. That is what the Forum is about.
* Your handle is ContraryGuy.  ;D

  
« Last Edit: January 30, 2011, 12:06:45 pm by SandySandfort »

wdg3rd on January 30, 2011, 11:09:14 am
But Sandy, how would an AnCap society deal with vampire leprechauns?  They can teleport and they're immune to bullets.

Of course, how a statist society would deal with them is probably by employing them in the bureaucracy or  in the mass media.  As far as I can tell, that's where most of the other vampires are.
Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd@aol.com

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.  --  Denis Diderot

Corydon on January 30, 2011, 12:01:24 pm
* You do not use proper English grammar and spelling. Sloppy writing is indicative of sloppy thinking. (If your first language was not English, you get a pass.)
* You are too verbose or otherwise cannot express yourself cogently and succinctly. Wandering all around Robin Hood's bare does not indicate clarity of thought.

*Robin Hood's barn

Cf. the internet axiom: if you criticize somebody else's spelling and/or grammar, it's guaranteed that you will make a mistake yourself.

SandySandfort on January 30, 2011, 12:01:38 pm
But Sandy, how would an AnCap society deal with vampire leprechauns?  They can teleport and they're immune to bullets.

DAMN! I knew I shouldn't have used that example! You got me. AnCaps will just have to suffer the consequences of not having a government to protect them from those dangers (though adorable) monster. (Though, maybe they could use silver bullets and the... tangle-net....) <insert groan here>

SandySandfort on January 30, 2011, 12:05:25 pm
*Robin Hood's barn

Cf. the internet axiom: if you criticize somebody else's spelling and/or grammar, it's guaranteed that you will make a mistake yourself.

Sir, I made neither a spelling nor grammar error. That is a typo. :D

(DOH!)

SandySandfort on January 30, 2011, 12:09:50 pm

Uh, what error? I see no error... (now). ::)

* You do not use proper English grammar and spelling. Sloppy writing is indicative of sloppy thinking. (If your first language was not English, you get a pass.)
* You are too verbose or otherwise cannot express yourself cogently and succinctly. Wandering all around Robin Hood's bare does not indicate clarity of thought.

*Robin Hood's barn

Cf. the internet axiom: if you criticize somebody else's spelling and/or grammar, it's guaranteed that you will make a mistake yourself.

J Thomas on January 30, 2011, 01:34:36 pm
But Sandy, how would an AnCap society deal with vampire leprechauns?  They can teleport and they're immune to bullets.

Of course, how a statist society would deal with them is probably by employing them in the bureaucracy or  in the mass media.  As far as I can tell, that's where most of the other vampires are.

Persuade them of the Zero-Aggression Principle. Then hire them for well-paying jobs where teleportation and immunity to bullets is useful. Then they can buy as much blood as they want on the free market.

SandySandfort on January 30, 2011, 02:05:15 pm
But Sandy, how would an AnCap society deal with vampire leprechauns?  They can teleport and they're immune to bullets.

Of course, how a statist society would deal with them is probably by employing them in the bureaucracy or  in the mass media.  As far as I can tell, that's where most of the other vampires are.

Persuade them of the Zero-Aggression Principle. Then hire them for well-paying jobs where teleportation and immunity to bullets is useful. Then they can buy as much blood as they want on the free market.

Excellent! Well thought out, relevant, concise and funny. There may be hope for you yet.  :)

J Thomas on January 30, 2011, 02:27:02 pm
But Sandy, how would an AnCap society deal with vampire leprechauns?  They can teleport and they're immune to bullets.

Of course, how a statist society would deal with them is probably by employing them in the bureaucracy or  in the mass media.  As far as I can tell, that's where most of the other vampires are.

Persuade them of the Zero-Aggression Principle. Then hire them for well-paying jobs where teleportation and immunity to bullets is useful. Then they can buy as much blood as they want on the free market.

Excellent! Well thought out, relevant, concise and funny. There may be hope for you yet.  :)

Or if they refuse to be persuaded, you could call them fools and trolls and refuse to respond to them.  ;)

More practically, if some of them are persuaded they might provide a lot of support for dealing with the rest, both information and direct actions.

ContraryGuy on January 30, 2011, 03:49:02 pm
My recent interactions with ContraryGuy have made me realize something about myself; I suffer fools way more than I should. I need to follow Heinlein's dictum when trying to enlighten fools, trolls and intellectual lightweights. “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.”

So, realize, I will neither read nor respond to your posts if:

* You clearly intend to be confrontational rather than reasonable.
* You do not use proper English grammar and spelling. Sloppy writing is indicative of sloppy thinking. (If your first language was not English, you get a pass.)
* You are too verbose or otherwise cannot express yourself cogently and succinctly. Wandering all around Robin Hood's barn does not indicate clarity of thought.
* You create increasingly bizarre scenarios to support your failed arguments. E.g., "Yeah, but how would an AnCap society deal with vampire leprechauns, Huh?"
* Your comments have little or no relevance to the EFT universe. That is what the Forum is about.
* Your handle is ContraryGuy.  ;D 

I have never asked about vampire leprechauns.  I guess that was my first (thirty-third?) mistake.

So, is Sandy telling me I should re-register under a different name?

SandySandfort on January 30, 2011, 07:20:31 pm
Or if they refuse to be persuaded, you could call them fools and trolls and refuse to respond to them.  ;)

I see the smiley, but you really should have a serious answer. Yes I could do that, but it would be intellectually dishonest. I aspire to a higher degree of integrity than that. I call them as I see them. If I think you are too long winded, I will say so. If you say something wise or witty, I will recognize that too. Remember, I get on your case a lot, but when you wrote your last post, I applauded it.

More practically, if some of them are persuaded they might provide a lot of support for dealing with the rest, both information and direct actions.

See the Heinlein quote about singing pigs, elsewhere. For some people, such as yourself, their is hope, so will continue to engage with you (as long as you keep it short and sweet). But there are other sad little characters, who can build nothing themselves, so their only pleasure is to annoy and insult others. While there may be theoretical hope for ContraryGuy. He really is not worth the candle to bring him back to humanity.

J Thomas on January 30, 2011, 11:09:13 pm
More practically, if some of them are persuaded they might provide a lot of support for dealing with the rest, both information and direct actions.

See the Heinlein quote about singing pigs, elsewhere. For some people, such as yourself, their is hope, so will continue to engage with you (as long as you keep it short and sweet). But there are other sad little characters, who can build nothing themselves, so their only pleasure is to annoy and insult others. While there may be theoretical hope for ContraryGuy. He really is not worth the candle to bring him back to humanity.

I was thinking about the vampire leprechauns. If some of them get converted to AnCap and some don't, the ones on your side could be a giant help for fighting the others. They know about weak points  you can exploit (if they trust you enough to tell you) and they can fight against the statist(?) vampire leprechauns themselves.

Plane on February 01, 2011, 04:30:39 am
This is an old Southern saying.


"If you are arguing with a fool , what is he doing?"

ContraryGuy on February 01, 2011, 11:18:33 am
Or if they refuse to be persuaded, you could call them fools and trolls and refuse to respond to them.  ;)

Quote
While there may be theoretical hope for ContraryGuy. He really is not worth the candle to bring him back to humanity.

Aha, so thats how youre little anarchist society will be run...  I think you need a better name than "anarchist" capitalism.

Some would argue (like those whose lives were destroyed) that that is what led to the financial panic.

Living in a fantasy world, or Costa Rica, allows one to say "well, if they had only looked after themselves, they wouldnt have been destroyed by the panic".

Unfortunately, life in the real world is far more complicated than that.  Bad things, after all, can happen to good people.

I would love to live in the socialist utopia of AnCap, but I dont.  *I* have to live in the real world.

ContraryGuy on February 01, 2011, 11:19:38 am
This is an old Southern saying.


"If you are arguing with a fool , what is he doing?"

Obviously, he must be posting on this forum.  Right, Sandy?