Karadan on November 08, 2010, 12:54:07 am
I hadn't really thought of it before, but did I miss/forget mention of who Babbette's (the younger) parents are?  She's mentioned Daddy-E and Daddy-B, for Bert and Ernie I presume, but I don't recall who her actual father is, or any mention of her mother.  Is she adopted?

terry_freeman on November 08, 2010, 08:32:28 am
I am wondering if Babbette's is a polyamorous family?

GeoModder on November 08, 2010, 09:32:04 am
IIRC, Ernie is Babbette's (biological) father.
Her mother and Ernie seem to be divorced.

SandySandfort on November 08, 2010, 05:08:55 pm
I hadn't really thought of it before, but did I miss/forget mention of who Babbette's (the younger) parents are?  She's mentioned Daddy-E and Daddy-B, for Bert and Ernie I presume, but I don't recall who her actual father is, or any mention of her mother.  Is she adopted?

Babbette's biological father is Ernie. Her mother is Lili, owner-operator of Lust in Space, which made its appearance in the Big Heads arc. Bert also plays a paternal role in her life. Bert is adopted.

SandySandfort on November 08, 2010, 05:13:31 pm
I am wondering if Babbette's is a polyamorous family?

Not per se. However, most Belters, including the Guzmáns, are pretty relaxed about such things. We will be exploring relationships in future arcs.

SandySandfort on November 08, 2010, 05:16:01 pm
IIRC, Ernie is Babbette's (biological) father.
Her mother and Ernie seem to be divorced.

They were never married, but did and do care about each other and spend time together when they can. In an upcoming arc, they go camping... sort of.

Karadan on November 08, 2010, 11:20:52 pm
In an upcoming arc, they go camping... sort of.
Caaaampingggg innnn spaaaace!

Don't remember Lili at all though, will have to go back and recheck out that arc.

jamesd on November 09, 2010, 05:08:47 pm
I am wondering if Babbette's is a polyamorous family?

Not per se. However, most Belters, including the Guzmáns, are pretty relaxed about such things. We will be exploring relationships in future arcs.

In the 1940s, would have been science fiction.  Today, when forty percent of children are fatherless, surely unimaginative - you are projecting our present day family structure, or lack thereof, onto the belt, much as you project our present day one gravity furniture onto the belt.

Here is an alternative conjecture:  With no state, hence no welfare benefits for illegitimate children, and no free government provided child minding and brainwashing service, monogamous marriage and female chastity becomes a lot more important.

Or alternatively you could change things in the other direction - with a mating system more similar to that of chimps or peacocks, but let us not have the early twentyfirst century mating system.

terry_freeman on November 09, 2010, 06:01:57 pm
I notice that the two guys in the audience at the arbitration hearing are packing. Where, however, is Babette hiding her pistol?

NeitherRuleNorBeRuled on November 10, 2010, 02:36:41 pm
Here is an alternative conjecture:  With no state, hence no welfare benefits for illegitimate children, and no free government provided child minding and brainwashing service, monogamous marriage and female chastity becomes a lot more important.

Or alternatively you could change things in the other direction - with a mating system more similar to that of chimps or peacocks, but let us not have the early twentyfirst century mating system.

[sarcasm] The language has certainly changed far more than the addition of a few terms -- why not use "proper" future English (or whatever language is spoken at that time)?  And shouldn't there be modern (post 20th/21st century) cultural references, in art, music, and literature?  Where are those?  And when someone has minor injuries, shouldn't they have invisible bandages rather than old-fashioned gauze and tape?  If it were done properly, the comic should be nearly incomprehensible to folks in 2010.

macsnafu on November 10, 2010, 04:27:20 pm
Here is an alternative conjecture:  With no state, hence no welfare benefits for illegitimate children, and no free government provided child minding and brainwashing service, monogamous marriage and female chastity becomes a lot more important.

Or alternatively you could change things in the other direction - with a mating system more similar to that of chimps or peacocks, but let us not have the early twentyfirst century mating system.

[sarcasm] The language has certainly changed far more than the addition of a few terms -- why not use "proper" future English (or whatever language is spoken at that time)?  And shouldn't there be modern (post 20th/21st century) cultural references, in art, music, and literature?  Where are those?  And when someone has minor injuries, shouldn't they have invisible bandages rather than old-fashioned gauze and tape?  If it were done properly, the comic should be nearly incomprehensible to folks in 2010.

Would that be hardcore sf?
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ZeissIkon on November 10, 2010, 05:18:37 pm
Nah, hardcore SF is on video from companies like Vivid.   ;)

wdg3rd on November 11, 2010, 12:15:10 am
Nah, hardcore SF is on video from companies like Vivid.   ;)

Sorry, son, but that's just what used to be considered hardcore porn wearing costumes.  Back before all of the tats and piercing.  What's hardcore porn now isn't to my taste and I haven't seen any with an SF theme (modern porn never has time to build a plot anyway, not even as much as Johnny Wadd could do in a 400 foot 8mm loop).  Point me to anything Vivid has done in hard SF in the last twenty years other than re-releasing stuff from back when porn stars had to have some kind of (acting?  sexual?  appearance?  charisma?  comedy?) talent too.  Those are the porn years I prefer, 70s and early 80s, I am not an unbiased judge).

Hardcore SF is better (and the preachers think it messes up your soul even worse, else you'd find more of them sneaking out of SF cons than no-tell motels).

Heinlein, Niven, Pournelle, Brin, Bear, Forward, Sheffield, Clement, Clarke, Asimov.  Crap, this is merely a few.  Yeah, if you read it in your teens, of course it will melt your brain even worse than they claim masturbation will (but masturbation doesn't either, as you've learned if you got this far, you brought up the subject).  The part of your brain it will melt is the bit holding that ugly little appendix containing faith.  The bit that says to believe without learning on your own.  If you need support when that dissolves, we're here to help you and so are a century and some of hard science fiction writers. 

These are illustrated stories based on the science the artists know (not all are graduate students in the real sciences, the ones requiring algebra and above, though some are) and philosophy the artists know (not all are graduate students in not letting the left hand know what the right hand is doing during a pornographic movie, though some are).

Hard science?  Larry Niven majored in math, studied astronomy.  The first Ballantine release of _Ringworld_ is a collector's item, as the main character was jumping time zones (to extend his 200th birthday) in the wrong direction.  I was broke the week it was out before the recall.  Mistakes are made.  Niven has been apologizing for almost 40 years, that release has been a collectors edition most that time. "Deep Throat" was released a few months later.  A "doctor" in the film found that her clit was in her throat (way down) rather than in the usual spot -- no scientific criticism that I can recall, I guess the scientists who watched the movie had one hand or the other under their white coats just like the judges presiding over Harry Reems had one hand or another under their black robes.  Hard science, hard dicks and hard law are not related.
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GeoModder on November 11, 2010, 03:02:42 am
IIRC, Ernie is Babbette's (biological) father.
Her mother and Ernie seem to be divorced.

They were never married, but did and do care about each other and spend time together when they can. In an upcoming arc, they go camping... sort of.

In a certain space park on one of the little 'roids bychance? ;)
Wait a sec. Isn't the Lust in space that ship where the terrans came up on the "behind" of the first ship to reach the gray alien?
I thought Babbette the youn'un stated, in her role as a CSA, both her mother and father were ice-miners?

jamesd on November 11, 2010, 03:35:40 am
[sarcasm] The language has certainly changed far more than the addition of a few terms -- why not use "proper" future English (or whatever language is spoken at that time)?  And shouldn't there be modern (post 20th/21st century) cultural references, in art, music, and literature?  Where are those?  And when someone has minor injuries, shouldn't they have invisible bandages rather than old-fashioned gauze and tape?  If it were done properly, the comic should be nearly incomprehensible to folks in 2010.

For obvious reasons one needs to assume that English has not changed significantly, perhaps held in place by old movies, but in "Schlock Mercenary" people do have future cultural references in art and music, with footnotes explaining them, and do have future medicine, rather than old fashioned gauze and tape.  In "Freefall" people get cartoon bandages for minor injuries, but they do have future cultural references.

 

anything