wdg3rd on March 28, 2010, 05:07:13 pm
A better subject header than using the date, I finally realise.

Looks like Guy may have a challenge on his hands when Fiorella next hits Ceres.  I'm not talking about any rivalry with La Capitaine, but the simple fact than any man above the age of 16 (and at that age it's just masturbatory fantasy) can't keep up with two women, even if they're bisexual.  (Trust me on this, one man can satisfy two women only in a carefully directed porn movie or in a wet dream).  I assume buzzy tools are for sale (along with jumbo packs of batteries) in Ceres, he'll need them if he's double-teamed.

I've had decades of experience.  Polyandry is great until one guy (not me) goes sociopathic (he's now "born again" [he used to be as atheist I was and am] and living down in Oklahoma, I just wish he'd been polite about it [like a Hindu] and died first, it would have made things a lot less unpleasant for his first wife and his co-husband).  Monogamy is OK, but it's not a natural primate pattern.  Polygyny -- I'm stocking up on batteries, since while I'm good with my hands, I'll need some tools when I remarry (since I'm not planning on getting widowed or divorced again first).  Of course, like that first polyandrous relationship (that actually lasted longer than my parents did with "till death do us part" and "staying together for the sake of the kids" [who had to hear the drunken beatings through cheap stucco walls]), things will not be sanctioned by government or any of the usual gods.  We'll be on our own.  Together.  Yes, we're old enough to know that life isn't all "happily ever after", we're in our 50s.  Scarred but unbowed.
Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd@aol.com

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.  --  Denis Diderot

Sean Roach on March 28, 2010, 06:00:07 pm
Well, Wdg3rd.  Now we're going to have to stone you for sexual immorality...
Just as soon as we can scare up someone to start us off...
Anyone?...

sams on March 28, 2010, 06:38:25 pm
Well, Wdg3rd.  Now we're going to have to stone you for sexual immorality...
Just as soon as we can scare up someone to start us off...
Anyone?...

I would be the first ... but the sin from my hands are making it difficult  ::) but were to start  :-\

1- Well I have not experience of about sexual ''uncommon'' activities, so I can't say if Guy will survive double team or any thing else ...

2- I believe that with a government or not, there will be religions,  people getting married and some may even get married with more than one person. Marriage is not only about sex, it is about trust and kids, when someone get a kid from an extra-marital relationship, he may ended unintentional be de facto husband of two women ... which has nothing to do with sleeping with both at the same time.

I tend not to buy the ''extensive version'' of libertarianism : Freedom from the government, religion and moral ...
A libertarian society will be some kind of extremely libertine, atheist and amoral ... nor all will get Ayn Rand style ''objectivity''

This vision of ''liberty'' is not only superfluous, but it is also useless and counter-productive since it give the impression that all anarchist Shall be : atheist, sexual libertin, pro-abortion and ''open-minded'' ie : Having no moral whatsoever.

I remember one of EFT strip presented King church has being something like ''not very religious'', and still don't know if the point was simply to make fun of religion or only try to say that anarchism will ''free peoples religious feelings''.

Is EFT making an anti-religious point ?

SandySandfort on March 28, 2010, 10:27:35 pm
I remember one of EFT strip presented King church has being something like ''not very religious'', and still don't know if the point was simply to make fun of religion or only try to say that anarchism will ''free peoples religious feelings''.

Is EFT making an anti-religious point ?

Not really. Most organized religions really don't have much to do with true religious feelings or with the moral guidance of the parishioners. What Reggie King is trying to do with his church is provide service, plus moral instruction via the use of religious texts. Remember, his motto is, "Whatever works." Also, people just like to get together and sing.  ;)

I'm pretty sure this subject will come up again in EFT.

As for me:

I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of. -- Clarence Darrow

wdg3rd on March 28, 2010, 10:32:23 pm
Well, Wdg3rd.  Now we're going to have to stone you for sexual immorality...
Just as soon as we can scare up someone to start us off...
Anyone?...
Sean (I like it when the name is spelled right, I know too many guys named Shawn), anybody is welcome to try to stone me.  I shoot back, with no respect for whatever reason they're throwing the rocks.

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I would be the first ... but the sin from my hands are making it difficult  ::) but were to start  :-\

1- Well I have not experience of about sexual ''uncommon'' activities, so I can't say if Guy will survive double team or any thing else ...
You're young (I assume -- because anybody with a Y chromosome who has survived in a country with over half a century of civil war is either too young to draft or too old to care.
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2- I believe that with a government or not, there will be religions,  people getting married and some may even get married with more than one person. Marriage is not only about sex, it is about trust and kids, when someone get a kid from an extra-marital relationship, he may ended unintentional be de facto husband of two women ... which has nothing to do with sleeping with both at the same time.
Of course.  Any and all of the above.  For instance, while I have occasionally committed what some folks call adultery and some religions consider a sin, I have never "cheated" on a spouse.  All was approved in advance.  And I have approved of all of the extramarital affairs of my various spouses except for the one my co-husband used to break up our previously comfortable open polyandry.  (I'm comfortable that every woman I've been married to has good taste, and won't bring anything home that requires intervention by antibiotics).  Yeah, there has been one I won't allow to eat at my table after the first time, but that's because he insulted my cooking, not my wife.  (Rat couldn't handle spices even a Russian would enjoy).  She didn't invite him back.
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I tend not to buy the ''extensive version'' of libertarianism : Freedom from the government, religion and moral ...
A libertarian society will be some kind of extremely libertine, atheist and amoral ... nor all will get Ayn Rand style ''objectivity''
I am of the extreme libertarian side.  Do whatever you want to as long as you don't initiate force or fraud.  You can be libertine or cloistered, atheist or sacrifice any nonsapient beast or bird to whatever god you want to, fuck like a bunny or be celibate.  Yes, I'm amoral.  I have no morals (which I consider to be rules externally imposed).  I am as ethical as you can find, because the Zero Aggression Principle is the one law I live by.  It is my mantra.  Don't mess with me, I won't mess with you -- but if you mess with me or mine you're food for the buzzards.  I'm not an objectivist, however much I love and reread Ayn Rand's works (I first read _Anthem_ when in the sixth grade, when I was eleven years old, the year the original Star Trek series was first broadcast.  The next year I read _The Fountainhead_ and in the 8th grade I read _Atlas Shrugged_.  In junior high (called middle school in some places) they look at you funny when you're carrying around a 1027 page book that doesn't even have any pictures in it).  But I have no choice but to live subjectively because as a mathematics/philosophy scholar I can only see the world through my own eyes.
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This vision of ''liberty'' is not only superfluous, but it is also useless and counter-productive since it give the impression that all anarchist Shall be : atheist, sexual libertin, pro-abortion and ''open-minded'' ie : Having no moral whatsoever.
Wrong.  I know many deeply religious anarchists (no, I don't know how they internally reconcile their feelings, being an atheist myself), libertine (I'm really not, as I explained above) and monastic, and the abortion debate is out of my turf, I had a vasectomy.  I'm very "open-minded", I have no morals, but I live by the one supreme ethical rule:  Thou shalt not initiate force.
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I remember one of EFT strip presented King church has being something like ''not very religious'', and still don't know if the point was simply to make fun of religion or only try to say that anarchism will ''free peoples religious feelings''.

It means, live as you wish, worship as you wish (I doubt that Reg King operates the only church in Ceres), and love as you wish.

A book I recommend to you (and to anybody around who hasn't read it) is _The Rainbow Cadenza_ by J. Neil Schulman.  Possibly has some of the best dialogue on the conflict that need not happen between atheists and believers.
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Is EFT making an anti-religious point ?
Not that I can see.  There are of course folks who take it on faith that any venture by Man to ascend unto the heavens under his own power is blasphemy.  And I doubt that either Sandy or Scott are regular church-goers, but I could be wrong.  But don't make assumptions that anybody is anti-religious or not from their artwork.

_I_ proudly proclaim myself to be anti-religion.  I'm not merely atheist as a non-believer: if there is a G-D, I'm opposed.  On Judgment Day, I intend to be either in the jury or at the prosecution bench, because that omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent bastard has a lot of crimes to answer to.
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Ward Griffiths        wdg3rd@aol.com

Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.  --  Denis Diderot

sams on March 29, 2010, 04:46:51 am

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I would be the first ... but the sin from my hands are making it difficult  ::) but were to start  :-\

1- Well I have not experience of about sexual ''uncommon'' activities, so I can't say if Guy will survive double team or any thing else ...
You're young (I assume -- because anybody with a Y chromosome who has survived in a country with over half a century of civil war is either too young to draft or too old to care.
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Yes I'm a young fellah  ;D I reached draft age 4 after the end the of civil war ... but the bastard still require me to have ''travel military authorization'' to leave the country ... at each time I want to travel I get a fake one  ;D

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This vision of ''liberty'' is not only superfluous, but it is also useless and counter-productive since it give the impression that all anarchist Shall be : atheist, sexual libertin, pro-abortion and ''open-minded'' ie : Having no moral whatsoever.
Wrong.  I know many deeply religious anarchists (no, I don't know how they internally reconcile their feelings, being an atheist myself), libertine (I'm really not, as I explained above) and monastic, and the abortion debate is out of my turf, I had a vasectomy.  I'm very "open-minded", I have no morals, but I live by the one supreme ethical rule:  Thou shalt not initiate force.
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I remember one of EFT strip presented King church has being something like ''not very religious'', and still don't know if the point was simply to make fun of religion or only try to say that anarchism will ''free peoples religious feelings''.

It means, live as you wish, worship as you wish (I doubt that Reg King operates the only church in Ceres), and love as you wish.

A book I recommend to you (and to anybody around who hasn't read it) is _The Rainbow Cadenza_ by J. Neil Schulman.  Possibly has some of the best dialogue on the conflict that need not happen between atheists and believers.
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Is EFT making an anti-religious point ?
Not that I can see.  There are of course folks who take it on faith that any venture by Man to ascend unto the heavens under his own power is blasphemy.  And I doubt that either Sandy or Scott are regular church-goers, but I could be wrong.  But don't make assumptions that anybody is anti-religious or not from their artwork.

_I_ proudly proclaim myself to be anti-religion.  I'm not merely atheist as a non-believer: if there is a G-D, I'm opposed.  On Judgment Day, I intend to be either in the jury or at the prosecution bench, because that omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent bastard has a lot of crimes to answer to.

By the impression that I had in some anarchist website (I never saw an anarchist in person .... maybe one friend ... but only the free Marijuana part was of his interest), it looked like it was open season on you if you are Christian

But anyway I respect your sentiments relating to religion even with the following Blasphemy :

I_ proudly proclaim myself to be anti-religion.  I'm not merely atheist as a non-believer: if there is a G-D, I'm opposed.  On Judgment Day, I intend to be either in the jury or at the prosecution bench, because that omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent bastard has a lot of crimes to answer to.

Sorry but the first rule in the play book to convert one person is not to offend or antagonize the target, ie : You  ;D

And thanks for the clarification Sandy

By the way the EFT crew have a nearly sadistic taste of putting hook in their episodes ;D

 

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