Sean Roach on October 25, 2008, 10:47:38 pm
...what is the difference between paying a bribe to the tax collectors to just leave, paying tribute to the vikings not to sack your village, and paying taxes to a foreign entity that believes it owns the whole earth?

Leviathan on October 27, 2008, 02:15:30 am
Fundamentally, one of degree rather than kind.  It's cheaper to bribe the tax man than the government he represents.

But I don't recommend doing any of the above.  Next thing you know, you'll be trying to bribe the entire government at once, at which point you're basically paying your protection money to the entire organization.

NotDebonair on January 03, 2009, 07:51:05 am
I am new here, and just cannot believe that nobody posted this at the time:

IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:
"We invaded you last night - we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."

And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say:

"We never pay any one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost,
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"

                                                                              -Rudyard Kipling

Rocketman on January 04, 2009, 10:25:39 pm
I wonder if Kipling was considered by the standards of his time a libertarian?

Monkt on January 05, 2009, 12:56:03 am
I wonder if Kipling was considered by the standards of his time a libertarian?
Pretty sure in his time what we would consider a libertarian was considered normal.

Rocketman on January 05, 2009, 02:10:34 pm
If that's the case then I WANT TO GO BACK!!!!!!

Leviathan on January 06, 2009, 01:34:48 am
Ahh, people were less inclined to put up with large invasions by government.  But they quite often put up with small.  A tax here, a tariff there, a use of troops on home soil the other place.  An aggressive foreign war to add whipped topping.  And whaddya know, those little compromises for convenience add up over time.

John DeWitt on January 06, 2009, 09:21:50 am
Yeah, but notice that freedomistas (myself included) only ever quote the last verse.  The rest of it pretty clearly refers to nations, not individuals.

Leviathan on January 06, 2009, 10:19:34 pm
Ahh, but all taxes are Dane-geld.  Pay such a trifling cost and the government you pay it to, be it one you think of as your own or another, shall never leave you again.  Be it a demand without choice for a penny, next time it shall be two.  And then four.  When next you raise your head above the toils to earn your Dane-geld, you realize you owe everything to the Dane.  And maybe, just maybe, you realize what you have become.  A slave.