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Quantum Vibe / Re: Backups to the backups.
« Last post by Apollo-Soyuz on January 15, 2020, 11:53:15 am »
Have you decided how the inner/outer spheres work? Pandemonium is an inner sphere, and nets the lowest amount of solar energy from that, but they probably have to pay less for Bubbleopolis expenses like paying for the shields/defense/station-keeping/other administration stuff. 

I suppose as more and more spheres were added, they could shuffle themselves around and form like an outer skin of a sphere -- getting larger and larger so all the spheres that wanted to pay for the privilege got prime outside position, while the inner spheres would get less light and the ones in the center get twilight.




You mean, if they don't pay the rent for their domicile? (The "air bill" is wrapped up in that.) Pretty much the same as here. They get evicted. No, not ejected into vacuum. They might go to Pandemonium, or they might apply to one of the many beneficencias either for a loan to cover the rent or for passage to another world.
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Quantum Vibe / Re: Backups to the backups.
« Last post by Apollo-Soyuz on January 15, 2020, 11:33:54 am »
Well we know that humans need a 'plant to be backed up, and I think it's safe to assume that arti-folk have this part built in to any of the higher levels of AI.

What we haven't learned yet is if the belt-apes have adopted 'plants after the storyline 500 year (or so) leap forward. 


How different, in the QV-verse, is backing up a bio-person from backing up an android?
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Quantum Vibe / Re: Backups to the backups.
« Last post by lee n. field on January 15, 2020, 10:24:16 am »
My thinking is that generally most people in Bubbleopolis would have just two backups, an A/B arrangement, and keep them either at home or in a nearby vault.

One thing about personality-memory back-ups is they are extremely complex, even by 31st-Century standards, and you don't want ANY typos or noise. So, you upload your back-up by wire, not by radio or q-wave, which means you have to have a set-up something like what we saw Diana use at Alyss' house.

Bear also in mind that, unlike the Star Trek universe, this is not a "post-scarcity" economy (what a ridiculous notion) and back-up gear and resurrection services cost money and most people don't want to spend much more than we might spend on life insurance policies. Especially when they get complacent, living inside a Borvonite sphere. Some people might have multiple off-site back-ups, and they can be resurrected, but some of those back-ups might be quite out-of-date. This would make for some interesting personal situations. (What do you mean, we got divorced? When?)

How different, in the QV-verse, is backing up a bio-person from backing up an android?
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Quantum Vibe / Re: Backups to the backups.
« Last post by lee n. field on January 15, 2020, 10:20:42 am »
I can see how half wits could be laboring to pay for their air, water, and such, but given near current day automation tech, anybody thinking strategically will have a fleet of bots tending to their needs via a commodities market system of abundance. Air & water is abundant in deep space. Hydrogen for fusion is abundant in deep space. Heavier elements are a bit buried, but are none the less available. This is known science in current day. Laziness and mental issues would be the only prevention for near post scarcity society. Life based food and decorations would be the "Gold" of their environment, simply because it is fragile and requires special levels of commitment.

From our perspective, 30th century QV universe society it would be "post scarcity".    Just like we would be to someone just off the fields in 1820's England.  From their perspective, they're still subject to economic limitations.  Something costs.
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Quantum Vibe / Re: The Five Pillars of Bubbleopolis
« Last post by Scott on January 15, 2020, 08:36:56 am »
I can guess; the yolk turns into a living creature. The white is basically food for the developing embryo and as such can not develop into a living creature.

Yeah... but once you crack the egg open and take the white, I think that yolk is dead anyhow. Plus most yolks arent fertile. Shes just stupid.

Even in the future, there will be stupid people. You can't get away from them.
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Quantum Vibe / Re: Backups to the backups.
« Last post by Scott on January 15, 2020, 08:36:16 am »
There's also the problem of people knowing where the deceased backup is stored i would think. Diane for instance might have had an offsite backup somewhere besides castle monty due to her past troubles with people stealing them might have them in an anonymous safe deposit box.

Respectfully Scott it appears like some things are post scarcity in your world setting. Nobody so far has tried to charge Diane for breathing their air for instance. In space that's not a given. Especially considering how humans cant stop breathing to go shopping around. Even the seedy cyberpunk slums in oz have free access to breathable air. It indicates that problem is somehow solved to such an extent that nobody is even thinking how to make a buck off it.

I haven't brought this up much in the story because there wasn't a good hook for it, but residents of the City do pay for their air, their water, for everything else.
Each sphere has an owner. The "Five Pillars" individually own most of them, but there are a few owned by others, or by partnerships. The sphere owner is responsible for maintaining clean, breathable air. People who own the individual buildings pay rent for space in the sphere, and for electrical power generated by the Borvonite material in the sphere. People who live in the buildings may own them or pay rent to the owners. People can get discounts on their rent by maintaining a certain amount of CO^2 eating, O^2 expelling plants. It really isn't that complicated.

So what happens if someone doesn't pay their air bill?

You mean, if they don't pay the rent for their domicile? (The "air bill" is wrapped up in that.) Pretty much the same as here. They get evicted. No, not ejected into vacuum. They might go to Pandemonium, or they might apply to one of the many beneficencias either for a loan to cover the rent or for passage to another world.
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Quantum Vibe / Re: Backups to the backups.
« Last post by Skull the Troll on January 15, 2020, 07:33:35 am »
There's also the problem of people knowing where the deceased backup is stored i would think. Diane for instance might have had an offsite backup somewhere besides castle monty due to her past troubles with people stealing them might have them in an anonymous safe deposit box.

Respectfully Scott it appears like some things are post scarcity in your world setting. Nobody so far has tried to charge Diane for breathing their air for instance. In space that's not a given. Especially considering how humans cant stop breathing to go shopping around. Even the seedy cyberpunk slums in oz have free access to breathable air. It indicates that problem is somehow solved to such an extent that nobody is even thinking how to make a buck off it.

I haven't brought this up much in the story because there wasn't a good hook for it, but residents of the City do pay for their air, their water, for everything else.
Each sphere has an owner. The "Five Pillars" individually own most of them, but there are a few owned by others, or by partnerships. The sphere owner is responsible for maintaining clean, breathable air. People who own the individual buildings pay rent for space in the sphere, and for electrical power generated by the Borvonite material in the sphere. People who live in the buildings may own them or pay rent to the owners. People can get discounts on their rent by maintaining a certain amount of CO^2 eating, O^2 expelling plants. It really isn't that complicated.

So what happens if someone doesn't pay their air bill?
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Quantum Vibe / Re: The Five Pillars of Bubbleopolis
« Last post by Skull the Troll on January 15, 2020, 07:26:48 am »
I can guess; the yolk turns into a living creature. The white is basically food for the developing embryo and as such can not develop into a living creature.

Yeah... but once you crack the egg open and take the white, I think that yolk is dead anyhow. Plus most yolks arent fertile. Shes just stupid.
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Quantum Vibe / Re: The Five Pillars of Bubbleopolis
« Last post by MirrorField on January 15, 2020, 04:22:34 am »
Looks like the incognito missing pillar just got news of the attack.

And we find out who that missing pillar was... And Alyss Roaz finds out that she doesn't own a huge chunk of
Bubbleopolis. It is the Bubbleopolis that owns her.

 "The things you own end up owning you. It's only after you lose everything that you're free to do anything."
--Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club
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Quantum Vibe / Re: Backups to the backups.
« Last post by DrakBibliophile on January 14, 2020, 11:28:33 am »
Nod.

Compared to earlier periods of history, today would be considered "post-scarcity".

Obviously we don't consider our time as "post-scarcity" and people in Scott's world wouldn't consider theirs as "post-scarcity".

I can see how half wits could be laboring to pay for their air, water, and such, but given near current day automation tech, anybody thinking strategically will have a fleet of bots tending to their needs via a commodities market system of abundance. Air & water is abundant in deep space. Hydrogen for fusion is abundant in deep space. Heavier elements are a bit buried, but are none the less available. This is known science in current day. Laziness and mental issues would be the only prevention for near post scarcity society. Life based food and decorations would be the "Gold" of their environment, simply because it is fragile and requires special levels of commitment.

Just because things are cheap and easy to access doesn't mean they've arrived at "post-scarcity." There will always be some sort of scarcity. There's a difference between "abundant" and "limitless." Think of energy requirements. Think of time. Think of opportunity costs.
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