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Title: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-TrollKiller on May 31, 2012, 10:06:05 pm
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I just hacked Team Girl's account and deleted all his/her/its posts!

The troll is dead!

I also changed his password so he can';t get back in again!

Id deletre his account, but for some reason it wasn't available.

So your all safe now!!

He'll never bother you again!

HUZZAH!
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: macsnafu on May 31, 2012, 10:12:44 pm
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I just hacked Team Girl's account and deleted all his/her/its posts!

The troll is dead!

I also changed his password so he can';t get back in again!

Id deletre his account, but for some reason it wasn't available.

So your all safe now!!

He'll never bother you again!

HUZZAH!

You didn't have to do that.  Sure, TeamGirl was irritating, but I don't like this erasing of history, either, as if all those posts never existed. 
Sure, I didn't like how TeamGirl debated, but they did bring up the occasional interesting issue, regardless of how they replied to responses.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: wdg3rd on May 31, 2012, 10:21:03 pm
TeamTroll was no threat.  By claiming the ability to crack accounts on this forum you are a threat.  Why shouldn't we track you down to your home ISP and delete every account you have everywhere and salt the earth?  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-TrollKiller on May 31, 2012, 10:26:15 pm
TeamTroll was no threat.  By claiming the ability to crack accounts on this forum you are a threat.  Why shouldn't we track you down to your home ISP and delete every account you have everywhere and salt the earth?  Just sayin'.
Ive got no reason to hack any more accounts. You guys say exactly what I want to hear.

Teamgirl had it coming. You call them trolls too! All trolls should be wiped off the face of the earth.

I did you guys a favor.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-TrollKiller on May 31, 2012, 10:35:08 pm
Hey, macsnafu, my man!

Teamgil-Troll was-were pigs! I jy=ust hated the way they laid into you all the time. They were major sleazeballs! All that elistist crap about "logic" and "history".

Logic is for lamestream liberal statist thugs, not regular guys like us. Good old fashioned horse sense beats logic every time, right?

And Henry Ford said history was bunk.

So team girl-troll can rot in hell for I care!
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: myrkul999 on May 31, 2012, 10:35:39 pm
That was uncalled-for.

I don't approve of deleting all the old posts, if for no other reason than now we all look like we're talking to ourselves.
I don't approve of the hacking of the account. That's not cool.

No matter how much of a troll the person is, there's no need to do any of that.

Oh, and TeamGirl, use a stronger password next time.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: macsnafu on May 31, 2012, 10:49:59 pm
Hey, macsnafu, my man!

Teamgil-Troll was-were pigs! I jy=ust hated the way they laid into you all the time. They were major sleazeballs! All that elistist crap about "logic" and "history".

Logic is for lamestream liberal statist thugs, not regular guys like us. Good old fashioned horse sense beats logic every time, right?

And Henry Ford said history was bunk.

So team girl-troll can rot in hell for I care!

Do you like puzzles?  I do.  TeamGirl's logic was flawed, and the puzzle was to understand in what way or ways their logic was flawed, as TeamGirl wasn't your typical troll who says obviously wrong things, but was wrong in more subtle ways.  As an example, how TeamGirl was defining consumption in such a way that they could say that someone could invest without deferring their consumption.  From an economic standpoint, that's nonsense.  But you have to understand how TeamGirl was using the term to make sense of what they were saying.  Then you can explain why it's nonsense, and hopefully any readers out there will have a better economic understanding of what we're talking about.  Education.

I sometimes say some stupid stuff, especially if I get angry or exasperated, but I'm usually comfortable standing by my responses.  As TeamGirl said, let the lurkers decide for themselves.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-TrollKiller on May 31, 2012, 10:52:42 pm
That was uncalled-for.

I don't approve of deleting all the old posts, if for no other reason than now we all look like we're talking to ourselves.
I don't approve of the hacking of the account. That's not cool.

No matter how much of a troll the person is, there's no need to do any of that.
Yeah, right. Hey, now no one can see Girly-trolls posts, just your replies. It make him/them look like a real s**t-faced jerk. That's what you want, right?

Plus the guy was a major woos. He's probably gay. All that crap about "human decency" and bein a Christian and wanting to help other people. Made me want to puck my guts. I don't remember who but someone here said anarchy was the best form of social darwinism. Not that I believe in evolution; liberal elistist lie likfe "global warming". But yeah if you can't make it on your own, you should just die and make room for someone who can. Screw all that welfare and social ponzi security schemem and osama-obamacare crap. People are supoose to pull themselves up by theyre own bootstraps not get handouts from government. That just lets all those weak slobs make more kids just like them. Anarchyll get rid of them in a hurry.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: macsnafu on May 31, 2012, 10:56:28 pm
That was uncalled-for.

I don't approve of deleting all the old posts, if for no other reason than now we all look like we're talking to ourselves.
I don't approve of the hacking of the account. That's not cool.

No matter how much of a troll the person is, there's no need to do any of that.
Yeah, right. Hey, now no one can see Girly-trolls posts, just your replies. It make him/them look like a real s**t-faced jerk. That's what you want, right?

Plus the guy was a major woos. He's probably gay. All that crap about "human decency" and bein a Christian and wanting to help other people. Made me want to puck my guts. I don't remember who but someone here said anarchy was the best form of social darwinism. Not that I believe in evolution; liberal elistist lie likfe "global warming". But yeah if you can't make it on your own, you should just die and make room for someone who can. Screw all that welfare and social ponzi security schemem and osama-obamacare crap. People are supoose to pull themselves up by theyre own bootstraps not get handouts from government. That just lets all those weak slobs make more kids just like them. Anarchyll get rid of them in a hurry.

O--kay, now the TrollKiller is starting to sound like a troll.  This is not an improvement.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-TrollKiller on May 31, 2012, 10:59:27 pm
Hey, macsnafu, my man!

Teamgil-Troll was-were pigs! I jy=ust hated the way they laid into you all the time. They were major sleazeballs! All that elistist crap about "logic" and "history".

Logic is for lamestream liberal statist thugs, not regular guys like us. Good old fashioned horse sense beats logic every time, right?

And Henry Ford said history was bunk.

So team girl-troll can rot in hell for I care!

Do you like puzzles?  I do.  TeamGirl's logic was flawed, and the puzzle was to understand in what way or ways their logic was flawed, as TeamGirl wasn't your typical troll who says obviously wrong things, but was wrong in more subtle ways.  As an example, how TeamGirl was defining consumption in such a way that they could say that someone could invest without deferring their consumption.  From an economic standpoint, that's nonsense.  But you have to understand how TeamGirl was using the term to make sense of what they were saying.  Then you can explain why it's nonsense, and hopefully any readers out there will have a better economic understanding of what we're talking about.  Education.

I sometimes say some stupid stuff, especially if I get angry or exasperated, but I'm usually comfortable standing by my responses.  As TeamGirl said, let the lurkers decide for themselves.
All logic's flawed/ Its just liberal elistist crap.

Common sense tells you all you need to know. You had it right all along-regulations and the fed screwed the pooch and ruined this country. Get rid of them and everything will work right again.

Team-troll weren't subtle, their just liberal scum. The sooner we have anarchy the faster theyll get killed off.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-TrollKiller on May 31, 2012, 11:02:56 pm
That was uncalled-for.

I don't approve of deleting all the old posts, if for no other reason than now we all look like we're talking to ourselves.
I don't approve of the hacking of the account. That's not cool.

No matter how much of a troll the person is, there's no need to do any of that.
Yeah, right. Hey, now no one can see Girly-trolls posts, just your replies. It make him/them look like a real s**t-faced jerk. That's what you want, right?

Plus the guy was a major woos. He's probably gay. All that crap about "human decency" and bein a Christian and wanting to help other people. Made me want to puck my guts. I don't remember who but someone here said anarchy was the best form of social darwinism. Not that I believe in evolution; liberal elistist lie likfe "global warming". But yeah if you can't make it on your own, you should just die and make room for someone who can. Screw all that welfare and social ponzi security schemem and osama-obamacare crap. People are supoose to pull themselves up by theyre own bootstraps not get handouts from government. That just lets all those weak slobs make more kids just like them. Anarchyll get rid of them in a hurry.

O--kay, now the TrollKiller is starting to sound like a troll.  This is not an improvement.

I'm just saying the same kind of things you guys say or think, only in my own way. I'm glad I finally found people who think like I do.

That's why I did you guys a favor and got rid of team-gay-troll for you.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TrollKiller on May 31, 2012, 11:21:14 pm
What, you guys got rid of me?

I got rid of a nasty troll making your lives miserable and this is how you repay me?

What kind of wooses are you? Your actually defending that creep? You hate him as much as I do, but you stick up for him when I get rid of him?

Your no anarcho-caps that's for dsure.

You people make me sick.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: myrkul999 on May 31, 2012, 11:23:28 pm
O--kay, now the TrollKiller is starting to sound like a troll.  This is not an improvement.

I'm just saying the same kind of things you guys say or think, only in my own way. I'm glad I finally found people who think like I do.

That's why I did you guys a favor and got rid of team-gay-troll for you.

I'm calling bullshit. TeamGirl originally presented him/themselves as a fictionalized mated pair of women. When that failed to get the desired effect, he deleted all previous posts, removed the picture, and essentially, started over from scratch, this time apparently posting as himself (the author). That appears to have not worked either, since it has now moved on to this Colbert-style parody of what he thinks of us. In short, Aside from doing us all a favor by deleting that ridiculous "Escape from Ceres" story, TeamGirl is up to the same tricks again. I'm almost afraid to ask what the next ploy will be.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Andreas on June 01, 2012, 12:21:11 am
For "Trollkiller": Don't do us any more fracking favors, punk.
Scott! Would you mind going medieval on this guy's ass? According to his own admission, he broke with ZAP, so a ban is fully called for.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TGKiller on June 01, 2012, 12:23:33 am
O--kay, now the TrollKiller is starting to sound like a troll.  This is not an improvement.

I'm just saying the same kind of things you guys say or think, only in my own way. I'm glad I finally found people who think like I do.

That's why I did you guys a favor and got rid of team-gay-troll for you.

I'm calling bullshit. TeamGirl originally presented him/themselves as a fictionalized mated pair of women. When that failed to get the desired effect, he deleted all previous posts, removed the picture, and essentially, started over from scratch, this time apparently posting as himself (the author). That appears to have not worked either, since it has now moved on to this Colbert-style parody of what he thinks of us. In short, Aside from doing us all a favor by deleting that ridiculous "Escape from Ceres" story, TeamGirl is up to the same tricks again. I'm almost afraid to ask what the next ploy will be.
Oh, yeah? Well, I'm calling bullshit right back. I think your Team-Troll-Gay-Girl. You made it all up just to make you look good by givibg yourself an easy enemy to beat.

You think I'm Team-Trill-girl? Prove it or shut up. Or as my mother used to say, shit or get off the pot!
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: mellyrn on June 01, 2012, 06:32:11 am
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You think I'm Team-Trill-girl?

Yes.

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Prove it or shut up.

No.

I only have to "prove it" if I'm interested in convincing someone, and then only to that other person's satisfaction -- not to yours, not to anyone else's.

Your grasp (such as it is) of logic is, how shall I say, distinctive.

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Or as my mother used to say, shit or get off the pot!

As Truman liked to say, "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 08:00:25 am
Well, that was...enlightening.

I've created a new account, but it's only temporary. I didn't want to just disappear without explanation, but between getting my account hacked, and having both myrkul999 and mellyrn publicly accuse me of faking it all, I've decided this forum is just too...I guess the best word is surreal for my tastes.

I'm a trifle busy this morning, so I'll post a few final replies later.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: macsnafu on June 01, 2012, 09:36:39 am
That was uncalled-for.

I don't approve of deleting all the old posts, if for no other reason than now we all look like we're talking to ourselves.
I don't approve of the hacking of the account. That's not cool.

No matter how much of a troll the person is, there's no need to do any of that.
Yeah, right. Hey, now no one can see Girly-trolls posts, just your replies. It make him/them look like a real s**t-faced jerk. That's what you want, right?

Plus the guy was a major woos. He's probably gay. All that crap about "human decency" and bein a Christian and wanting to help other people. Made me want to puck my guts. I don't remember who but someone here said anarchy was the best form of social darwinism. Not that I believe in evolution; liberal elistist lie likfe "global warming". But yeah if you can't make it on your own, you should just die and make room for someone who can. Screw all that welfare and social ponzi security schemem and osama-obamacare crap. People are supoose to pull themselves up by theyre own bootstraps not get handouts from government. That just lets all those weak slobs make more kids just like them. Anarchyll get rid of them in a hurry.

O--kay, now the TrollKiller is starting to sound like a troll.  This is not an improvement.

I'm just saying the same kind of things you guys say or think, only in my own way. I'm glad I finally found people who think like I do.

That's why I did you guys a favor and got rid of team-gay-troll for you.

As Andreas said, don't do us any "favors".

And if you really think you're saying the same kind of things we're saying, you're not reading carefully enough.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: macsnafu on June 01, 2012, 09:43:56 am
Well, that was...enlightening.

I've created a new account, but it's only temporary. I didn't want to just disappear without explanation, but between getting my account hacked, and having both myrkul999 and mellyrn publicly accuse me of faking it all, I've decided this forum is just too...I guess the best word is surreal for my tastes.

I'm a trifle busy this morning, so I'll post a few final replies later.


I'd say more mysterious than enlightening.  Trollkiller went way over the top to be genuine.

Naturally, you'd deny it if you actually did fake it, but of course you'd deny it if you are truly innocent.  Unfortunately, that means a denial on your part doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

I wonder if there's anything an admin might be able to see that would prove what happened.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 10:06:05 am

I'd say more mysterious than enlightening.  Trollkiller went way over the top to be genuine.


I know you'd like to think so, but I've heard and read people who make him sound like the voice of reason, so I can't afford to be that complacent. I tried to warn you people that you sound like members of a reactionary patriot militia group, especially your obsession with guns. Your rhetoric draws in people like Trollkiller like flies to dung. He may have been the only one (so far) to delurk and take action, but God only knows how many others are out there reading, nodding their heads, and thinking, "Yeah, you guys are one of us!"

Is that what you really want?

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Unfortunately, that means a denial on your part doesn't prove anything one way or the other.


I don't have to prove anything. First, innocent until proven guilty, and all that.

Second, despite mellyrn's obnoxious dogmatism, the burden of proof is always on those who make public accusations, not on the accused. That's a central tenet of rational discourse. Check this out:

http://www.anomalist.com/commentaries/pseudo.html

Truzzi is specifically referring to scientific debate over anomalous claims, but the sentiment applies to any form of discourse. myrkul999 and mellyrn have made a claim (accusation); they have to prove it right, I'm not required to prove it wrong. The fact that "everyone else" on this forum may find their explanation more plausible is irrelevant, according to Truzzi (though I seriously doubt everyone here does).

But I won't hold my breath.

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I wonder if there's anything an admin might be able to see that would prove what happened.


Based on past experience, I would say no. Most forum software can't tell if someone cracked my password from the outside. IP addresses are no help, because an identical address can just mean the hacker used another computer on the same system, and addresses change. Even if it can somehow be shown that the activity came from my computer, the hacker could have turned my computer into a "zombie".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_%28computer_science%29

I'm looking into that as I type.

So there isn't really any way to tell on the forum server end whether someone else did all this stuff.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Andreas on June 01, 2012, 10:09:11 am
I guess if TG wants she can ask Scott to give a statement of plausibility on their being the same person, based on the IP data this site logs.

Such a comparison can be evidence, but only if it shows that identity is implausible. There are ways of faking a far-off IP, but I doubt such levels of obfuscation would have been in place.
Not that it's really relevant.
If TG says they're not the same, I have no real interest in thinking otherwise.
I certainly don't feel like prolonging discussion of that particular incident.
Linguistically, I think the intruder seemed relatively consistent with the inbred script kiddie pukes that make up such a large percentage of teens these days.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 10:37:49 am

I guess if TG wants she can ask Scott to give a statement of plausibility on their being the same person, based on the IP data this site logs.


Since I replied to macsnafu, I received word from my anti-malware company that their copy of the scan I did on my computer last night revealed the presence of a known zombie trojan horse. They sent me a special program to run on my computer to root out and destroy the TH itself and all the files it deposited on my harddrive. I will start running it in a few minutes. Once it's done, that should stop Trollkiller from using my computer again. I've also purchased an upgrade that will prevent this kind of thing from happening again.

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Linguistically, I think the intruder seemed relatively consistent with the inbred script kiddie pukes that make up such a large percentage of teens these days.


Ordinarily that would be convincing, but someone who has a vested interest in believing I'm Trollkiller could just claim I imitated that style.

That's the problem with dealing with irrational mindsets; logic, reasoning, and evidence doesn't work. They'll always find a new justification for shoring up their beliefs.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: macsnafu on June 01, 2012, 10:39:34 am

I'd say more mysterious than enlightening.  Trollkiller went way over the top to be genuine.


I know you'd like to think so, but I've heard and read people who make him sound like the voice of reason, so I can't afford to be that complacent. I tried to warn you people that you sound like members of a reactionary patriot militia group, especially your obsession with guns. Your rhetoric draws in people like Trollkiller like flies to dung. He may have been the only one (so far) to delurk and take action, but God only knows how many others are out there reading, nodding their heads, and thinking, "Yeah, you guys are one of us!"

Is that what you really want?

And now you try a very strange argument, indeed, and make me wonder if you really did fake this.  Reality is what it is, and it can't be helped if sometimes the truth is more complicated than most people would like it to be.  But then you've had trouble understanding us all along.  For example, I have no obsession with guns, so that's purely a misconception of me.

You're the one who's bringing this internet drama to the forum, and trying once more to drag us around on tangents.


Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: mellyrn on June 01, 2012, 10:46:33 am
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Linguistically, I think the intruder seemed relatively consistent with the inbred script kiddie pukes that make up such a large percentage of teens these days.

I thought it seemed more like an imitation of that, than the real thing.  I can imagine your kiddie-puke laughing at me for my mistake -- but that "prove it!" reaction I find . . . odd for the breed.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 11:13:22 am

And now you try a very strange argument....


You must have led a very sheltered life not to be exposed to the toxic vitriol of the militia movement. Either that, or you've scrupulously avoided finding out. I'm old enough to remember when this stuff was freely discussed in mainstream society, before attitudes changed and it went underground.

Their hatred of the government and taxes rivals that of the people on this forum. They also believe the government is criminal, evil, and fascist, that there should be no regulation or even no government, that the free market should be the guiding force of society. I'm not really surprised such people lurk on this forum. You really need to Google and read some of what these people write. While you'll probably disagree with most of it, you'll find their core beliefs eerily familiar.

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For example, I have no obsession with guns, so that's purely a misconception of me.


Very well, and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. But you sidestep the fact that many others here are obsessed. I still remember one member saying,

Here's my bumper sticker:

Invest in precious metals (and then it lists three gun making alloys)

I remember seeing a similarly worded bumper sticker for sale on a patriot movement website. One that advocated armed resistance against the government.

So you'll forgive me if I find comments by various members here disturbing.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 11:35:48 am

TeamTroll


Yes, of course.

I've been active in Internet forums since the mid-nineties, when it was usenet. None of you have said anything I haven't heard before. In fact, you're rank amateurs when it comes to cyberbullying.

The term 'troll' has a legitimate definition, but anymore it tends to be used as an ad hominem to attack people who make arguments that cannot be refuted. So calling me a troll is compliment rather than an insult, because it's an admission that my arguments are having an effect, casting doubt on your ideologies. The same is true of your claims regarding my logic. It has become de rigueur to automatically reject the logic of an opponent's rational arguments, especially when they can't be refuted, and then come up with the most twisted, forced arguments possible to support that rejection.

But you really missed an opportunity to accuse me of being passive-aggressive, like the people of one forum did when I steadfastly refused to engage in the flamewars that passed for reasoned discourse there.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Dark Stranger on June 01, 2012, 11:37:23 am
Fascinating thread. First post, hello everyone.

I glanced over at the forum just to see, and this thread was the first thing that came up. TeamGirl, let me just say that your trolling is some of the best I've ever seen. You guys are lucky to have her, and when she's gone you'll all talk about the good old days of the forum when TeamGirl was here. Sure, we didn't like her, but she did keep things interesting. I wonder where she is these days.

Anyway, just wanted to throw out some kudos for a game well played. You guys should be more appreciative of what you got. A woman like that doesn't come around every day. And the fact that she's not a real woman just makes it more exciting.

Well, I'm off again. Kind of a strange morning so far. I wonder what else I'll find wandering these golden plains?
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: macsnafu on June 01, 2012, 11:54:51 am

And now you try a very strange argument....


You must have led a very sheltered life not to be exposed to the toxic vitriol of the militia movement. Either that, or you've scrupulously avoided finding out. I'm old enough to remember when this stuff was freely discussed in mainstream society, before attitudes changed and it went underground.
See, this is typical of your tactics, trying to drag us off into tangents.  Sure, I'm familiar with militia movements, and I've been on the internet since the late 90's on various newsgroups.  But that's all beside the point.  The strange argument you made was that my ideas somehow attract nuts and wackos, and therefore, I ought to abandon them. 

Reality is what it is, regardless of human opinion.  As long as I've got something that's true, it would be ridiculous to abandon it just because someone misunderstands it.  The obvious thing to do, if it's worthwhile, is to try to correct the misunderstanding. 
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 12:02:46 pm

I'm calling bullshit.


Yes, of course. Your ability to leap to these kinds of conclusions with little or no evidence is just astounding. You should join a circus.

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TeamGirl originally presented him/themselves as a fictionalized mated pair of women. When that failed to get the desired effect, he deleted all previous posts, removed the picture, and essentially, started over from scratch, this time apparently posting as himself (the author).


Funny thing that; I didn't do that either. I know, you don't believe me, but that's beside the point. When my posts disappeared I assumed a moderator took exception to my personae, and I expected my account to be canceled at any moment. Considering that the personae were meant to be humorous and a way to diffuse potentially emotional situations, but were met with derision and ridicule, even infantile innuendo about my personality, I figured it was probably for the best. So I eliminated all my personal information that I could in anticipation of the account vanishing, but when it didn't right away I started posting again. By the time I figured out the account wouldn't be cancelled, it no longer mattered whether I had a picture or personal information or not.

So I don't know what happened the first time. It's possible Trollkiller made a dry run, or he hoped I'd "take the hint" and disappear. Ot it might have been something else entirely. Whatever. Why didn't I report it? Because in the past when this kind of thing happened one of the moderators either did it or was in collusion with whoever did. Besides, once the posts are deleted, they can't be recovered, so I didn't see any point.

In any event, unless you have some proof that I deleted my own posts for some nefarious reason, your accusation just sounds like a petty snide remark.

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That appears to have not worked either, since it has now moved on to this Colbert-style parody of what he thinks of us.


You must think I'm a really dangerous character! Not sure what you thought I wanted to "work", but I don't think you know either, otherwise you would have expounded on it.

Update: the program my anti-malware people sent me is finished and appears to have cleaned up my computer. No guarantees, but I don't believe Trollkiller can get on the forum anymore, at least not through my computer. Of course, he could come back using his own computer, but I can't do anything about that.

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In short, [a]side from doing us all a favor by deleting that ridiculous "Escape from Ceres" story...


 :D Do you seriously believe that people won't remember you saying my story was "cool", or that you praised me on the handling of the science at one point? Still, your ability to rewrite reality was one of the more humorous aspects of our discussions.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 12:08:15 pm

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Prove it or shut up.


No.

I only have to "prove it" if I'm interested in convincing someone, and then only to that other person's satisfaction -- not to yours, not to anyone else's.


You're describing a personal belief system, a worldview, an ideology. You don't need evidence to believe it.

However, when you start claiming your personal beliefs are "the truth", then you are making a claim, and you are then obligated to prove it.

You really need to read this: http://www.anomalist.com/commentaries/pseudo.html

Truzzi's comments apply to any form of rational discourse.

Of course, you and I both know that you were simple making a bitter, snide insult, but that's really beside the point. Simply common courtesy and decency demands that having made such an accusation you should try to prove it.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 12:13:05 pm

You guys are lucky to have her, and when she's gone you'll all talk about the good old days of the forum when TeamGirl was here.


See my earlier response about the use of the term 'troll'.

The cute thing is, despite my being a "troll" and no threat, the people here seem to spend an inordinate amount of time dissing me. I take it as a compliment, because it means my arguments have sunk in and caste doubt, and to reassure themselves that their ideology is unassailable, they must (figuratively) kill the troll.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 12:23:22 pm

The strange argument you made was that my ideas somehow attract nuts and wackos, and therefore, I ought to abandon them.


And this is typical of your tactics: ignore the original point, pounce on a side issue, make it the new main issue, then accuse me of sidetracking the discussion.

Meanwhile, obfuscate to distract from any cogent argument I make by misrepresenting what I say.

I never said that your personal "ideas ... attract nuts and wackos". I said the ideas expressed by the forum collectively, as well those of others individually. Even so, you don't challenge the more egregious statements or ideologies discussed here, and in some cases agree with them, so you sound like you believe them yourself, regardless of whether you voice them.

And there's no "somehow". The method is clear: people are attracted to the comic, start to read the forum, and think, "These people believe as I do!" The problem is, there's no filter to keep out the "nuts and wackos", as Trollkiller demonstrated.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 01, 2012, 12:31:25 pm
Okay, I've said everything I wanted.

Believe it or not, my time here was educational. I not only learned what AnCapists are really like and what they really believe, I've also learned about AnCap theory I can use in my stories, and I've reinforced my conviction that the Internet is no place for a truly rational discussion about a hypothetical or fictional concept. Especially when the other members have invested an inordinate amount of the emotional and psychological value in what is essentially a piece of fiction. A less enlightened person would suggest you guys get a life, but I realize you did: you've made this your life.

So I wish you health, prosperity, luck, and the blessings of Almighty God.

PS: I still can't cancel my own account, so I'll Note Scott and ask him to do so for me.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: myrkul999 on June 01, 2012, 12:51:56 pm
Update: the program my anti-malware people sent me is finished and appears to have cleaned up my computer. No guarantees, but I don't believe Trollkiller can get on the forum anymore, at least not through my computer. Of course, he could come back using his own computer, but I can't do anything about that.

Heh.... IMO, that's all the proof I need. Anyone with a smidgen of security consciousness would have cleaned the computer BEFORE creating a new account, and anyone who's been on the internet more than 5 minutes knows that hackers DO access things from their own computers, and not those of the people whose accounts they have hacked, that's one of the ways that such intrusions are noticed, because suddenly you're accessing Gmail from China. So, nice try to cover, but the IP logs will bear out that it was you all along.

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In short, [a]side from doing us all a favor by deleting that ridiculous "Escape from Ceres" story...
:D Do you seriously believe that people won't remember you saying my story was "cool", or that you praised me on the handling of the science at one point? Still, your ability to rewrite reality was one of the more humorous aspects of our discussions.

For a troll, your grasp of sarcasm is somewhat lacking. Google "cool story, bro (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=cool+story%2C+bro&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)".
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: macsnafu on June 01, 2012, 12:52:57 pm
Okay, I've said everything I wanted.

Believe it or not, my time here was educational.

I hope so, but somehow I doubt it.  But hey, glad to confirm your preconceptions for you!  And be careful that you don't trip on your hidden assumptions.


Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: wdg3rd on June 01, 2012, 06:53:29 pm

TeamTroll


Yes, of course.

I've been active in Internet forums since the mid-nineties, when it was usenet. None of you have said anything I haven't heard before. In fact, you're rank amateurs when it comes to cyberbullying.


Ah, just a newbie.  I was operating a usenet leafnode (fed from Caltech) on a TRS-80 Model 16 Xenix system in 1985.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Bob G on June 01, 2012, 07:56:28 pm
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For example, I have no obsession with guns, so that's purely a misconception of me.


Very well, and I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. But you sidestep the fact that many others here are obsessed. I still remember one member saying,

Here's my bumper sticker:

Invest in precious metals (and then it lists three gun making alloys)

I remember seeing a similarly worded bumper sticker for sale on a patriot movement website. One that advocated armed resistance against the government.

So you'll forgive me if I find comments by various members here disturbing.

Some of points of information:

Cold blue steel is a gun-making alloy; brass & lead are used in ammunition. A firearm made of brass and/or lead would likely be more dangerous to the user than the target. Except for a brass cannon, of course, but that's a crew-served weapon which is outside the usual parameters of the discussion of the right to keep and bear arms.

The above-mentioned (semi-)precious metals are not the only metals in which I invest.

My obsession is with liberty. The right to arms is only one, though a very important one, of the aspects of living free.

Resisting the government, if the government bears resisting, is a patriotic duty of free people. Check the Declaration of Independence. To paraphrase Solzhenitsin, if the organs of an oppressive state security apparatus know that every time they go out to round up 'undesireables' 5% to 10% of their number won't be returning to their barracks or homes that night, how long will it be until that apparatus loses its effectiveness?

If this makes me look like a 'patriot', so be it. (And when did the term 'patriot' become derogatory?)
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Andreas on June 02, 2012, 06:43:48 am
Since I replied to macsnafu, I received word from my anti-malware company that their copy of the scan I did on my computer last night revealed the presence of a known zombie trojan horse. They sent me a special program to run on my computer to root out and destroy the TH itself and all the files it deposited on my harddrive. I will start running it in a few minutes. Once it's done, that should stop Trollkiller from using my computer again. I've also purchased an upgrade that will prevent this kind of thing from happening again.

That sounds like a fake AV scam ;)
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: dough560 on June 02, 2012, 09:25:48 am
Troll Killer and Team Girl may or may not be the same person.  whether they are or not is inconsequential.  Unless conclusive proof is provided....

TG, willfully ignorant and proud of it, does not excuse Troll Killers actions.  Deleting TG's posts and consequently deleting everyone's posts is a massive initiation of force.  This violent attack does not serve the ideals of these forums or the members.

I can't think of an attack this vile since Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.  I'm one knuckle draggier who would dust off old skills and handle the matter permanently.  I can promise you this; if possible it would be quick.  I've never believed in causing unnecessary pain. This is a matter of self defense, before you go from annoyance to threat, with followers.  Yes, I swore an oath many years ago to preserve anyone's right to be willfully ignorant, arrogant or what ever else they may be.  The thugs I encountered since swearing the oath either spent long hard time in small rooms with bars cohabited by people like them or are no longer a threat to anyone.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: mellyrn on June 02, 2012, 12:36:35 pm
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Troll Killer and Team Girl may or may not be the same person.  whether they are or not is inconsequential.  Unless conclusive proof is provided....

TG, willfully ignorant and proud of it, does not excuse Troll Killers actions.  Deleting TG's posts and consequently deleting everyone's posts is a massive initiation of force.  This violent attack does not serve the ideals of these forums or the members.

I think your second paragraph makes the question of TG-TK identity consequential.  If TG=TK, then one was not the victim of the other, and therefore that crime, at least, had not occurred.  It would be agreeable to know, just for that reason.

The question of everyone else's posts in the deleted threads is, I guess, a matter of the forum programming:  if I delete my own account and that deletes all the threads I started, that kind of complicates my ability to be a good person and control my "intellectual property".  Or something.  I'm not a big believer in IP; I also can't imagine why I'd bother deleting an account (it'd be so much simpler to just go away); so I, mellyrn, do not personally face this dilemma, but it seems to exist anyway.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: TeamGirl-Redu on June 02, 2012, 09:32:50 pm
Scott:

I would very much appreciate it if you would cancel my account.

I am unable to do so myself because there is no link for doing so in my Profile.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: myrkul999 on June 02, 2012, 09:35:58 pm
Scott:

I would very much appreciate it if you would cancel my account.

I am unable to do so myself because there is no link for doing so in my Profile.

Thank you.

You've proven you know how to use the private message system. It's there for a reason.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Scott on June 10, 2012, 02:02:59 pm
User has been banned. His messages will remain for historical reference and whatever amusement may derived therefrom.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Andreas on June 10, 2012, 02:37:59 pm
User has been banned. His messages will remain for historical reference and whatever amusement may derived therefrom.

I assume the IP range remained the same during alleged "hackedness"?
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Scott on June 10, 2012, 07:36:13 pm
It was the same IP address for all three alleged "hacks." Basically, this doof simply changed his screen name. There was no hacking involved.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: customdesigned on June 11, 2012, 06:47:02 am
It was the same IP address for all three alleged "hacks." Basically, this doof simply changed his screen name. There was no hacking involved.
I'm amazed that comparing IPs is so effective with this kind of behaviour.  It is so trivial to use web proxies (and essential for those behind the bamboo curtain).
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Andreas on June 11, 2012, 03:19:34 pm
Yeah, but then, how much foresight can be expected of someone pulling that crap?
Really, that person was a huge Meh me, and generally tended to cause me to doubt my position where it fell close to it's position.
A total waste of effort.

Oh, and the troll is back under a new name. Same lack of content, down to the fifth decimal, so it will take a lot to convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Frank B. on June 15, 2012, 06:23:11 pm
I'm behind on my forum monitoring and noticed this thread, and another thread about post deletions.  I've modified the permissions so that folks can no longer do that.  Not only that, once they post, they can no longer modify their own posts either.  I had thought this was the default behavior of the forum software, but it appears that's something you have to make explicit.

-- The Management.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: myrkul999 on June 15, 2012, 06:34:38 pm
Aww.... At least leave in the edit feature. I sometimes go back and fix typos, and similar things.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: dough560 on June 15, 2012, 06:57:48 pm
Agreed, the edit feature is nice and I'd like it retained, if doing so doesn't allow the previous stupidity.
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Frank B. on June 15, 2012, 08:26:41 pm
Agreed, the edit feature is nice and I'd like it retained, if doing so doesn't allow the previous stupidity.

Therein lies the rub.  The idea is that once you say what you said.  It's out there, and shouldn't be unsaid.  At that point, all you can do is post an apology or other appropriate followup to the mistake (assuming follow up is really necessary).  I encourage members to use the "Preview" button just to the left of the "Post" button.  By rereading what you wrote, particularly via the Preview window pane, before you post, you should eliminate 99.9% of appropriate followups.  ;D
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Frank B. on June 15, 2012, 08:27:58 pm
Agreed, the edit feature is nice and I'd like it retained, if doing so doesn't allow the previous stupidity.

Therein lies the rub.  The idea is that once you say what you said.  It's out there, and shouldn't be unsaid.  At that point, all you can do is post an apology or other appropriate followup to the mistake (assuming follow up is really necessary).  I encourage members to use the "Preview" button just to the left of the "Post" button.  By rereading what you wrote, particularly via the Preview window pane, before you post, you should eliminate 99.9% of appropriate followups.  ;D

And of course, when I say to the left of the "Post" button, I really meant to the right.  ::)
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: myrkul999 on June 15, 2012, 08:42:35 pm
Well, I suppose if it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me. I'll just have to accept my screw-ups in the future. ;)
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: dough560 on June 18, 2012, 08:22:52 am
Won't be the first time I've written a correction as a follow-up, pretty sure it won't be the last....
Title: Re: Call Me Troll Killer!
Post by: Andreas on June 18, 2012, 04:51:23 pm
Won't be the first time I've written a correction as a follow-up, pretty sure it won't be the last....

However, the edit feature is still there.
Either the final decision/implementation is still pending, or the settings implementation scripts are wonky.
The delete feature can and should definitely be taken off people's hands.

Wouldn't it be nice if edits/deletes were like on wikipedia, with indefinite roll-back and lock capabilities for admins. That would allow full freedom for normal use, and full freedom from abusive use.

But that's probably not a standard feature of most BBS code...