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Title: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: knoodelhed on January 13, 2012, 01:45:40 am
Very interesting in concept, almost too simple. To be sure, it promises to be exciting, but Herr General von Moltke's comment seems to portend that at least one character will be removed from our stage.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Karadan on January 13, 2012, 10:00:54 am
Almost too simple?  I'd say very definitely too simple.  I mean, unless I'm missing something the plan is:

Fly our invisible plane to area 51, get out, walk into area 51, grab the people we want, and walk out... without anyone noticing.

I mean, I could understand security being not at its best if they're preping to deactivate the facility anyway, but it seems like they're seriously underestimating the difficulty involved.

I know it's just a recap, and they glossed over some important steps like the invisible outfits they'll be wearing or whatever, but as far as plans go, it sounds like the one the idiot/bruiser of the group suggests and everyone laughs at (We just walk in, grab the stuff, and walk out, simple).

As for the quote, I think it is referring more to the fact that things won't go as planned at all as opposed to anyone dying.  Then again, I could certainly see someone dying out of all this.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on January 13, 2012, 11:17:56 am
Agreed. Their plan is WAY too simple. No contingency plans mentioned. We also know that the "free bird" is a plane flown by an assassin who may have been working for the UW. People who hire assassins don't knowingly let the assassin get things that can be used against them. I strongly suspect that the "Free bird" is not as "invisible" as they suspect.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Wildman7316 on January 13, 2012, 04:42:12 pm
But you have to have a Plan.  If you don't have a Plan, then you don't have anything to Change/Abandon.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: sams on January 16, 2012, 12:31:15 pm
Agreed. Their plan is WAY too simple. No contingency plans mentioned. We also know that the "free bird" is a plane flown by an assassin who may have been working for the UW. People who hire assassins don't knowingly let the assassin get things that can be used against them. I strongly suspect that the "Free bird" is not as "invisible" as they suspect.

I have a feeling this arc will play like a Serenity episode  ;D : Dumb Plan + Idiotic execution = Hilarious result.

Maybe this time we might get an emotional twist since there is no ressurection machine near Terra for some who just broke into a level12 security facility.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on January 16, 2012, 08:41:55 pm
Agreed. Their plan is WAY too simple. No contingency plans mentioned. We also know that the "free bird" is a plane flown by an assassin who may have been working for the UW. People who hire assassins don't knowingly let the assassin get things that can be used against them. I strongly suspect that the "Free bird" is not as "invisible" as they suspect.

I have a feeling this arc will play like a Serenity episode  ;D : Dumb Plan + Idiotic execution = Hilarious result.

Maybe this time we might get an emotional twist since there is no ressurection machine near Terra for some who just broke into a level12 security facility.

Yeah, autodocs are rare on Earth.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: knoodelhed on February 03, 2012, 12:32:45 pm
Bump: The false-appearance generator would appear an upgrade that Free Bird's original outfitters wouldn't have counted on.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Tucci78 on February 06, 2012, 07:59:36 am
Microgravity and Muscle Mass

To the best of my appreciation, not yet commented upon is the degree to which the characters undertaking this rescue mission might have problems in the transition from the microgravity prevailing in the Belt to the degree of space-time distortion found at the bottom of Terra's gravity well.

Physiologic changes associated with even moderately long-duration stays in orbital facilities today are well-known, and it takes a period of rehabilitation before those who've done a tour on the International Space Station can function safely and effectively dirtside.

So how is it that the Belters in Escape From Terra manage to retain the physical appearance of Terran "normals" instead of demonstrating the muscle and bone mass attenuation (not to mention lymphedema) to be expected among populations of H. sapiens divorced for years from the gravitic embrace of Mother Earth?

As for the ability to pull off a daring commando raid and rescue down there in Nevada pretty much on the spur of the moment like this....

Howcumizzit that our intrepid adventurers don't expect to be unable to climb out of Free Bird once she finishes her landing roll, much less to leap with resolution and agility to the salvation of the persons they'd come to succor?

Do we have some kind of Clarke-ian unobtanium technology not as yet discussed in EFT backgrounding that's operating here?
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: SandySandfort on February 06, 2012, 08:48:54 am
... Physiologic changes associated with even moderately long-duration stays in orbital facilities today are well-known, and it takes a period of rehabilitation before those who've done a tour on the International Space Station can function safely and effectively dirtside.
...
Do we have some kind of Clarke-ian unobtanium technology not as yet discussed in EFT backgrounding that's operating here?

90 years of advances in biotech and nanotech.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on February 06, 2012, 11:01:38 am
We can set down, right next to those BIG HANGARS... Right, cause big hangars don't have security and are always empty at  "top secret" locations. Granted the place is being mothballed, and the locals are SUPPOSED to be asleep, but the words "automated security" should be in the lexicon of at least Tobi.

Edit: Ok they managed to get out of "Free Bird" without getting shot, but can they make it back?
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: macsnafu on February 07, 2012, 10:55:34 am

Edit: Ok they managed to get out of "Free Bird" without getting shot, but can they make it back?

If it was a foregone conclusion, there would be no suspense.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: SandySandfort on February 07, 2012, 02:56:15 pm

Edit: Ok they managed to get out of "Free Bird" without getting shot, but can they make it back?

If it was a foregone conclusion, there would be no suspense.

Right. I've been pretty pissed off lately, 'cause I haven't gotten the gig in Chile I want. So maybe I'm in a killin' mood. I've already killed off one EFT character in an upcoming arc. Maybe one or more of the rescuers will end up as hors de combat or worse...
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: pakaran on February 09, 2012, 03:00:28 pm
One thing I haven't mentioned, comedic aspects aside, is that raiding Area 51 with a UFO (and *especially* a UFO with an operational history that those in power likely want to cover up, and trying to kill one of the most admired technologists in human space likely qualifies) is a very good way to make sure that, if they get away, nobody will want to give their superiors, much less the general public, an accurate recounting of events due to the sheer embarrassment factor.  That means, for example, no wanted posters. 

And, if any posters are issued, the sheer giggle factor means nobody is going to pay serious attention.  I certainly wouldn't want to be the first mainstream reporter, even if I had unimpeachable sources, to report "the UW authorities are seeking the return of a genetic experiment kidnapped from Area 51 in a UFO". 
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: SandySandfort on February 09, 2012, 08:07:22 pm
I certainly wouldn't want to be the first mainstream reporter, even if I had unimpeachable sources, to report "the UW authorities are seeking the return of a genetic experiment kidnapped from Area 51 in a UFO". 

Certainly Jesse Ventura, heck maybe Fox.  ::)
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on February 10, 2012, 07:49:52 am
I certainly wouldn't want to be the first mainstream reporter, even if I had unimpeachable sources, to report "the UW authorities are seeking the return of a genetic experiment kidnapped from Area 51 in a UFO".  

Certainly Jesse Ventura, heck maybe Fox.  ::)

LOL, yes. Definitely Jessy Ventura. That guy has some seriously wacky conspiracy theories going on. As for the guy "looking for Giles," I lay 10:1 odds he's going to pull the alarm. Real rookie mistake there, ladies.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Bob G on February 12, 2012, 05:18:42 pm
. . . As for the guy "looking for Giles," I lay 10:1 odds he's going to pull the alarm. Real rookie mistake there, ladies.

Why would Nowra (I'm assuming the 'teens' are Neanne and Nowra since the rescuers are apparently now in extraction mode) blow the whistle on the operation after investing so much time and effort into setting it up, thus assuring the execution of his girlfriend?

I suspect Gerald may be the cat referred to in the One thing missing thread.

I guess we'll have to 'Tune in Tomorrow'.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Hans Rancke on February 13, 2012, 02:19:17 am
Umm... "Me Neanderthal, me strong"!?!

Shouldn't that be "Me Neanderthal with size and build pretty much like Homo sap. female, me pretty much as strong as Homo sap. female"?

An unenhanced Homo sap. female, presumably...

Perhaps she has bigger bones and bigger muscles, but if so, the artist definitely didn't manage to convey that to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she doesn't look big and strong. I'm saying she doesn't look surprisingly strong for her size.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on February 13, 2012, 07:26:09 am
Umm... "Me Neanderthal, me strong"!?!

Shouldn't that be "Me Neanderthal with size and build pretty much like Homo sap. female, me pretty much as strong as Homo sap. female"?

An unenhanced Homo sap. female, presumably...

Perhaps she has bigger bones and bigger muscles, but if so, the artist definitely didn't manage to convey that to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she doesn't look big and strong. I'm saying she doesn't look surprisingly strong for her size.

She's making a self-depreciating "joke" while making herself understood through force.

Perhaps I mis-posted, Nowra may not WILLINGLY pull the alarm, but the odds are strong that he'll TRIP it. Especially if he's going after a cat. Those animals get awfully skittish when they want to, and they OFTEN want to, when it's time to take a trip somewhere.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: SandySandfort on February 13, 2012, 08:05:49 am
She's making a self-depreciating "joke" while making herself understood through force.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Bob G on February 13, 2012, 07:42:28 pm
Umm... "Me Neanderthal, me strong"!?!

Shouldn't that be "Me Neanderthal with size and build pretty much like Homo sap. female, me pretty much as strong as Homo sap. female"? . . . Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she doesn't look big and strong. I'm saying she doesn't look surprisingly strong for her size.

Chimpanzees trend smaller than humans yet due to metabolism and other factors are much stronger, pound-for-pound, than we are. I see no reason not to postulate that another closely-related species could have similar attributes.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Hans Rancke on February 14, 2012, 03:01:14 am
Umm... "Me Neanderthal, me strong"!?!

Shouldn't that be "Me Neanderthal with size and build pretty much like Homo sap. female, me pretty much as strong as Homo sap. female"? . . . Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she doesn't look big and strong. I'm saying she doesn't look surprisingly strong for her size.

Chimpanzees trend smaller than humans yet due to metabolism and other factors are much stronger, pound-for-pound, than we are. I see no reason not to postulate that another closely-related species could have similar attributes.

Those other factors wouldn't happen to be related to build, relative bone and muscle size, and the way the muscles are attached to the bones?

If the interlude with the grandfather has any relevance to the story, I'd say that in this universe Neanderthals are a sub-species of Homo sapiens. In any case, they're hominids, much closer related to us than the chimpanzees (*) . As evidenced by the similar build, bone and muscle size, and the way the muscles are attached to the bones.

(*) Recent studies have relegated chimpanzees from a genetic similarity of 98% to 94%.

And it's not just a matter of relative strength, it's also a matter of skill. One teenaged girl having the skill to defeat two trained bodyguards(**)?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

(**) Well, having the skill to twist the arm of one trained bodyguard -- I might believe that those two tough professionals would decide to go get her boyfriend out of sentimental sympathy for young lovers even if they would easily be able to overpower her.


Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on February 14, 2012, 08:36:42 am
Last time I looked at the anthro-morphology of primates, a Homo-neanderthalus had, statistically (going by bone structure), twice the muscle mass of a similarly mature Homo-sapiens while at the same time having 50-75% cranial capacity (space for brains in the skull).

We can only speculate about true neural capacity, and intelligence since there are no living or RECENTLY deceased members of Homo-Neanderthalus to examine.

We also can only speculate as to their behavior, and culture, although we DO have proof that they had a very primitive written language through cave painting. (Found in various archeological sites where neanderthals were the primary resident.)

The primary reason neanderthals are extinct is that their primary competitors, homo-sapiens, greatly outnumbered them, at least 10 to 1.

In this universe, Neanne is not necessarily a sub-species of homo-sapiens, even in the 20th century, horses have been used as "surrogate mothers" for zebras, and there are plans to use elephants for mammoths (by replacing the genetic material in an elephant egg with the genetic material from a mammoth fossil.)

Oh, and seems I was right, someone tripped the lights. Not good for a stealth mission.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: SandySandfort on February 14, 2012, 09:01:53 am
Last time I looked at the anthro-morphology of primates, a Homo-neanderthalus had, statistically (going by bone structure), twice the muscle mass of a similarly mature Homo-sapiens while at the same time having 50-75% cranial capacity (space for brains in the skull).

Where did you get the 50-75% figure? When I was writing this story, and during a quick look now, the information I found said that the Neanderthals had a slightly larger cranial capacity than Homo Sapiens. Perhaps you are thinking of the recently discovered Hobbits in Borneo.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Larry G on February 14, 2012, 10:12:56 am
Uhhh,  who says that they are trained professionals?  They are fit and healthy yes, they have experience with martial arts yes, skill with weapons, check, but they come from a society of AMATEURS.  They VOLUNTEERED to put their lives at risk.

They are on this excursion not because of "orders", or hopes of "profit", but out of compassion and concern for another sentient being.  It can't get any simpler than that                                                                                                                                               
 
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: mellyrn on February 14, 2012, 02:20:08 pm
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Uhhh,  who says that they are trained professionals?

Uhhh, how about . . . their employer, the richest guy in the solar system, who employs them as bodyguards

>Tobi's bodyguards introduced (http://www.bigheadpress.com/eft?page=863)<
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: wdg3rd on February 14, 2012, 04:36:02 pm
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Uhhh,  who says that they are trained professionals?

Uhhh, how about . . . their employer, the richest guy in the solar system, who employs them as bodyguards

>Tobi's bodyguards introduced (http://www.bigheadpress.com/eft?page=863)<

Yup, I'd say they've probably had training.  Tobi doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who'd have somebody play pretend.  I have known individuals who'd be dumb enough to put an untrained girlfriend on the payroll as an excuse to have her around all the time as a business expense for taxes.  Tobi doesn't need the tax breaks and I doubt he needs to make excuses.

Their reaction to that painting tells me that the girls are professionals with no need to kiss Tobi's ass.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Hans Rancke on February 15, 2012, 02:47:01 am
Last time I looked at the anthro-morphology of primates, a Homo-neanderthalus had, statistically (going by bone structure), twice the muscle mass of a similarly mature Homo-sapiens while at the same time having 50-75% cranial capacity (space for brains in the skull).

Neanne isn't a statistic. She's someone who (to my eye, at least) is being rendered as a tall, strong girl with about the same muscle mass as a female human of the same height.

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In this universe, Neanne is not necessarily a sub-species of homo-sapiens, even in the 20th century, horses have been used as "surrogate mothers" for zebras, and there are plans to use elephants for mammoths (by replacing the genetic material in an elephant egg with the genetic material from a mammoth fossil.)

I was going by the assumption that the kids we see in the interlude are descended from Neanne, but I've been thinking it over and I'm retracting my conclusion. There are other explanations how two different hominids can have grandkids, such as adoption and genetic tinkering.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Bob G on February 15, 2012, 04:57:47 am
Ookay - so not a cat, a lyrebird.

I sit corrected.

That's almost worse.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on February 15, 2012, 09:19:30 am
Last time I looked at the anthro-morphology of primates, a Homo-neanderthalus had, statistically (going by bone structure), twice the muscle mass of a similarly mature Homo-sapiens while at the same time having 50-75% cranial capacity (space for brains in the skull).

Where did you get the 50-75% figure? When I was writing this story, and during a quick look now, the information I found said that the Neanderthals had a slightly larger cranial capacity than Homo Sapiens. Perhaps you are thinking of the recently discovered Hobbits in Borneo.

It was some time ago either on the Discovery channel, or a copy of National Geographic magazine. I don't remember the exact date, but it was sometime in the '90s.

As for Neanne, have to agree with her sentiments here. True that the bird is a living creature, but Nowra could get them all killed going after it. Birds like being moved even less than cats do.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: sam on February 16, 2012, 04:04:39 pm
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying she doesn't look big and strong. I'm saying she doesn't look surprisingly strong for her size.

Sapiens has slimmer and longer arms legs and bodies.  Neanderthals were a lot burlier than sapiens, and ancient sapiens a lot burlier than modern sapiens.  A female neanderthal should look like a  male sapiens body builder who has breasts because of side effects from his steroids.

Neanderthals made a living by attacking wild cattle up close and personal, males as well as females, whereas sapiens used ranged weapons, and only sapiens males hunted large animals, while sapiens females stuck to gathering.  Chances are that when sapiens and neandethrals fought, sapiens had to use superior weaponry, their markedly superior running speed, and their superior social organization to keep them at range, because one on one close up, a sapiens fighting a neanderthal would be like a sapiens female fighting a sapiens male.

We know sapiens could easily outrun neanderthal from their skeletal structure.  We know they had better ranged weaponry than neanderthal from their artifacts, and we know they had superior social organization, because they had materials that indicate trade over very great distances.  We also know that neanderthals wrestled wild bulls for a living from their characteristic injuries, the food remnants in their garbage heaps, and their style of weapons.

A species where the females wrestle wild bulls, is a species where a female can rip a sapiens male apart with her bare hands.

On the other hand, of course, a female character who could rip a male sapiens apart with her bare hands is unlikely to appeal to readers.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on February 17, 2012, 09:58:18 am
We also don't know if Neanne is 100% Neanderthal either. One of the plans for bringing back mammoths from extinction is using mammoth-elephant hybrids.

You also forgot "strength of numbers" in your analysis.

Sure, you could be twice as strong as the guy next to you, but if you're going against him and his 9 buddies, and all of them are armed, your odds are not good.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: mysteryrainbowx on February 20, 2012, 11:37:32 am
OK, suspended disbelief.  Sure I can buy into story lines involving luxury space liners with exotic drives plying between scads of colonies on a miriad of planets. I couldn't read Science Fiction if I couldn't do that. Hey didn't Wonder Woman have an invisible plane?  I can imagine utopia on the asteroid belt, "autodocs," rejuvenation centers where you stay 25 years old forever, and great big machines that crawl on tracks and spit out completed plumbed bathrooms at the touch of a key pad.  Creating a Neanderthal girl out of random DNA extracted from a million targeted Homo Sapiens? At Area 51 no less. No problem.  I am sure we will be able to do this some day in the future.  However, even 400 years into the future, I just can't imagine a Frenchman that has never heard of a gay bar, doesn't know one when he walks in. Now that's unbelievable. Just saying.   :-[

BTW this strip is great and so is Quantum Vibe and so was Roswell Texas. Keep it up  :
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Andreas on February 28, 2012, 02:18:46 pm
Speaking of disbelief: did y'all know that Neanderthals had bigger brains than we do?
Considering the MASSIVE energy needs of the human brain, it is actually possible that they had too much of it.
Even our puny brains take up 25% of our total energy consumption at rest, and unlike the rest of our consumption it CANNOT be turned down.
That makes it a survival liability, it means that waiting for better times is never an option. We just have to hunt hunt hunt, because our brainboxes won't give us a rest.
It's only in recent times that we've been able to turn our brain activity into food at a comfortable ratio, through all of pre-industrialized times it was hit and miss.
And in the elder stone age? That bigger brain, with its bigger needs, could mean extinction.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on March 12, 2012, 10:08:40 am
OK, suspended disbelief.  Sure I can buy into story lines involving luxury space liners with exotic drives plying between scads of colonies on a miriad of planets. I couldn't read Science Fiction if I couldn't do that. Hey didn't Wonder Woman have an invisible plane?  I can imagine utopia on the asteroid belt, "autodocs," rejuvenation centers where you stay 25 years old forever, and great big machines that crawl on tracks and spit out completed plumbed bathrooms at the touch of a key pad.  Creating a Neanderthal girl out of random DNA extracted from a million targeted Homo Sapiens? At Area 51 no less. No problem.  I am sure we will be able to do this some day in the future.  However, even 400 years into the future, I just can't imagine a Frenchman that has never heard of a gay bar, doesn't know one when he walks in. Now that's unbelievable. Just saying.   :-[

BTW this strip is great and so is Quantum Vibe and so was Roswell Texas. Keep it up  :

That "French man" thought Napoleon WON at Waterloo. He is an idiot, and frankly so is that guard in the hangar. Wait, he looks familiar. By jove, yes. He looks like the guy that pulled the alarm and got tricked by the Lyra bird.

Complacent AND incompetent. Area 51 must be hiring guards from Exiern's IGC (Incompetent Guard College).
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: gunner on March 12, 2012, 01:30:06 pm
its a job in a remote location, few or no chances of entertainment, the facility is in the process of being shut down, likely most really highly classified work already moved to other locations, and the guard force reduced to low rent "security guards". nothing has happened until now and boredom has set in. the goon the kid ran into was wearing a "piss cutter" (barracks cap) the one molesting the lab worker was wearing a beret, two different people. the alarm goes off, "general quarters, all hands on deck..." and you've got people pulling up their socks, stuffing their mating tackle back in their trousers and zipping up, grabbing gear and guns, an all round cluster f**k, while the raiding party has linked up and are busy executing di di mau mos' ricky tick. the next few minutes should prove interesting, and busy.

"BTW this strip is great and so is Quantum Vibe and so was Roswell Texas. Keep it up ". i heartily agree, and add "probability broach".
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on March 13, 2012, 07:29:03 am
"Don't worry, nobody will see us." That phrase practically guarantees that EVERYONE will see you.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Andreas on March 13, 2012, 03:34:55 pm
Wait, he looks familiar. By jove, yes. He looks like the guy that pulled the alarm and got tricked by the Lyra bird.

Complacent AND incompetent. Area 51 must be hiring guards from Exiern's IGC (Incompetent Guard College).

I think this one here is a "brown-eyed handsome man" while the other one was a "ugly sumbitch"... besides, wasn't the other one already inside when the lights came back?
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: myrkul999 on March 14, 2012, 12:16:27 am
Today's comic?

Comedy gold.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on March 14, 2012, 08:14:46 am
Indeed. "Oh frack!"

I thought that's what they intended BEFORE the lights and alarms, not AFTER. ;)

Good thing that IGC did not get to finish his sentence.

"When I get my hands on..."
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: TMIAHM on March 15, 2012, 11:37:52 pm
Our esteemed writer sure has captured the true essence of government employees.

A former boss of mine once corrected me about NY State workers, he said call them NY State employees, cause to call them workers impies that they actually work!  ;D
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: kunkmiester on March 16, 2012, 12:34:08 am
Someone needs a headsmack.  You got enough room to pack a longarm and you bring an SMG?  Decent rifle round doesn't care about soft vests.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: SandySandfort on March 16, 2012, 08:14:42 am
Someone needs a headsmack.  You got enough room to pack a longarm and you bring an SMG?  Decent rifle round doesn't care about soft vests.

Mostly bravado, but he could have a trauma plate over his heart.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Andreas on March 19, 2012, 02:30:55 pm
Someone needs a headsmack.  You got enough room to pack a longarm and you bring an SMG?  Decent rifle round doesn't care about soft vests.

Mostly bravado, but he could have a trauma plate over his heart.

Nursey and Gate Guard are both pretty ballsy! Who's in favor of them being added to the rescue? ;D
They'd do fine on Ceres or Mars, I think :D
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Bob G on March 19, 2012, 07:23:13 pm
Nursey and Gate Guard are both pretty ballsy! Who's in favor of them being added to the rescue? ;D
They'd do fine on Ceres or Mars, I think :D

Being dedicated functionaries of the UW system, I doubt they'd thumb a ride with this group. Still, after letting Neanne escape they may end up in deep enough kimchee that an Escape From Terra may look like a better alternative. And I think you are correct, sir, in that they would probably find a place in the belt.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Andreas on March 20, 2012, 04:25:50 am
Being dedicated functionaries of the UW system, I doubt they'd thumb a ride with this group. Still, after letting Neanne escape they may end up in deep enough kimchee that an Escape From Terra may look like a better alternative. And I think you are correct, sir, in that they would probably find a place in the belt.

Riiiight, that was their dedication to UW they were about to indulge... while on duty  ;D

Maybe Neanne cuffs her boyfriend across the back of the head for birdwatching, concussing him so that he'll need a nurse?  ;)
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on March 20, 2012, 07:51:52 am
Aww. They're holding hands. Isn't that sweet?
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: SandySandfort on March 20, 2012, 11:36:55 am
Aww. They're holding hands. Isn't that sweet?

Well actually, yes. I am about as anti-state as you can get, but it has surprised me that some of you have deemed all state workers as "bad" and assumed that anytime we have a government worker in strip, they must be evil or that someone is taking advantage of someone else. Like most medical people, our gutsy medtech is nobody's fool. She is with our boy because she wants to be with him (and vis-versa).

Some government workers are bastards and abuse their position for personal gain or ego fulfillment. Others are naive and think the work needs to be done, some think they can reform the system from within, or they just need a job to feed their families.

True story: I flew into the States and landed in Atlanta. For some reason, I had to go through a second metal detector and baggage X-ray. For some reason, I was their only "client," so it was more leisurely. I passed though and waited for my carry-on to clear the X-ray. Standing across from me was a TSA agent. She was a friendly black lady with a big smile on her face. Then the X-ray tech called her over and whispered with her. She came back to me and said, "Do you have a small scissors in your bag?" I said, yes. Then while subtly nodding she said in a clear, slow voice, "It's one of those scissors with rounded points... right?" I said, yes, again and she signaled the X-ray tech to release my bag.

I smiled at her and said, "You know this is all nonsense. Any one of those pens in your shirt pocket could do a lot more damage than my little scissors." She leaned forward and whispered, "I know, but the rules say we have to ask." We exchanged understanding smiles and I was on my way. As long as the job exists, I want that lady to be doing it.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: UncleRice on March 20, 2012, 07:24:18 pm
Almost too simple?  I'd say very definitely too simple.  I mean, unless I'm missing something the plan is:

Fly our invisible plane to area 51, get out, walk into area 51, grab the people we want, and walk out... without anyone noticing.

I mean, I could understand security being not at its best if they're preping to deactivate the facility anyway, but it seems like they're seriously underestimating the difficulty involved.

I know it's just a recap, and they glossed over some important steps like the invisible outfits they'll be wearing or whatever, but as far as plans go, it sounds like the one the idiot/bruiser of the group suggests and everyone laughs at (We just walk in, grab the stuff, and walk out, simple).

As for the quote, I think it is referring more to the fact that things won't go as planned at all as opposed to anyone dying.  Then again, I could certainly see someone dying out of all this.
To be fair to the story, the law of Jujitsu applies. If the government applies it's own justifications strong enough, then it leaves itself wide open to other interpretations of the situation and skill sets applied to same.

@re: current comic: If I was the med tech, I would have insisted on keeping the gun, but have promised to not shoot if he held his word.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on March 21, 2012, 09:09:25 am
Almost too simple?  I'd say very definitely too simple.  I mean, unless I'm missing something the plan is:

Fly our invisible plane to area 51, get out, walk into area 51, grab the people we want, and walk out... without anyone noticing.

I mean, I could understand security being not at its best if they're preping to deactivate the facility anyway, but it seems like they're seriously underestimating the difficulty involved.

I know it's just a recap, and they glossed over some important steps like the invisible outfits they'll be wearing or whatever, but as far as plans go, it sounds like the one the idiot/bruiser of the group suggests and everyone laughs at (We just walk in, grab the stuff, and walk out, simple).

As for the quote, I think it is referring more to the fact that things won't go as planned at all as opposed to anyone dying.  Then again, I could certainly see someone dying out of all this.
To be fair to the story, the law of Jujitsu applies. If the government applies it's own justifications strong enough, then it leaves itself wide open to other interpretations of the situation and skill sets applied to same.

@re: current comic: If I was the med tech, I would have insisted on keeping the gun, but have promised to not shoot if he held his word.

Sorry, no. That action guarantees you will get shot.

If your opponent is feeling generous, he will shoot to disable, not kill.

The international standard is, surrender means putting down the weapon.

Failure to do so marks you as an enemy combatant, and a valid target.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: dough560 on March 22, 2012, 05:33:26 pm
Too bad the nice people didn't see if there was room for two more.  However things play out, their careers are over.  They're just too close to events.

The smart thing:  The-Powers-That-Be publicly ignores the entire incident and privately steps up security to prevent a possible re-occurrence.  After all, while it exists, this is a top security development and testing facility.  After awhile any rumors just become one of those myths about the place.

The stupid thing:  While the girl will not/doesn't officially exist, the probable existence of known and unknown surveillance devices means the powers that be will be looking for scapegoats.  At a minimum, the trooper becomes a private for unstated offenses, and is chaptered out with an Other Than Honorable Discharge.  The med tech is terminated due to "alleged" misconduct.  Perhaps illegal drugs will be mentioned in both cases.

The Really Stupid Thing:  Public (within the system) charges with an attendant trial and jail time for both.

Never underestimate the vindictiveness of bureaucrats in and out of uniform when they believe they have lost face.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: Azure Priest on March 23, 2012, 07:49:23 am
Too bad the nice people didn't see if there was room for two more.  However things play out, their careers are over.  They're just too close to events.

The smart thing:  The-Powers-That-Be publicly ignores the entire incident and privately steps up security to prevent a possible re-occurrence.  After all, while it exists, this is a top security development and testing facility.  After awhile any rumors just become one of those myths about the place.

The stupid thing:  While the girl will not/doesn't officially exist, the probable existence of known and unknown surveillance devices means the powers that be will be looking for scapegoats.  At a minimum, the trooper becomes a private for unstated offenses, and is chaptered out with an Other Than Honorable Discharge.  The med tech is terminated due to "alleged" misconduct.  Perhaps illegal drugs will be mentioned in both cases.

The Really Stupid Thing:  Public (within the system) charges with an attendant trial and jail time for both.

Never underestimate the vindictiveness of bureaucrats in and out of uniform when they believe they have lost face.


Today's strip (Fri, Mar 23) has all that covered.

1.) Cockpit camera view shows the "Free Bird" full to capacity.

2.) Man who held the gun on the guard and medic gave them a good cover story.

3.) To make the cover story plausible, he shot holes in the building.

It doesn't matter how vindictive a bureaucrat is, (the EMT universe has some really nasty ones, aka Col. Harris) a public trial is NOT going to go well against people who were pinned down under heavy fire with plenty of forensic evidence to substantiate the claim.

The UW will most likely blame unknown "terrorists" for the damage if the belters escape.

If they fail to escape, they will use the "attack" as justification for retribution against Ceres.
Title: Re: Raid on Area 51! (1/13/12)
Post by: dough560 on April 29, 2012, 04:22:21 am
You're logical and plausible.  Unfortunately I've witnessed and been on the receiving end of vindictive bureaucracy.  There is no rule they won't break to get anyone close to anything which makes them loose face.