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Title: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on December 21, 2011, 03:01:59 pm
Since the forum is set up to not allow people to start new topics until after they've posted a few times in others, I'm setting this up as a place for newbies to introduce themselves and make whatever comments they like that don't fit into other topics. If a longish thread develops here I'll likely split it off into a separate topic.

Let's see how this works.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Zaylinda on December 21, 2011, 10:50:26 pm
Ok, I'll try this!
Hi, I go by Z, Zay, or Zaylinda.
I'm a pretty typical lurker, and I'm pretty shy, so I probably won't post much.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: rfaramir on December 22, 2011, 08:09:00 am
I mostly lurk, as well, usually as a guest. I'm a Christian and a staunch anarcho-capitalist libertarian.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: oigoleral on December 23, 2011, 12:35:58 pm
Hello and thank you from Portugal.

I'm a IT worker, interested in the libertarian point of view. But the artful way stories are told in this site is a main reason for the regular visit.

The "New Fans" thread is a good idea.

As a side note this is my third post, the others where washed sometime ago on some data fire.

Cheers,
oigoleral
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: MultiTool on January 09, 2012, 09:46:12 am

Hi,

First time post, love Quantum Vibe, read it every day. 

I think I have found an error in today's strip though.  This world balloon in panel 6 is not pointing to O'Neill:
O'Neill: 'Twas 'cause of my wife, ya see. Dumped me, she did.

It is pointing to the Loonie instead, so I was confused until I read the transcript.  (If only every web comic had a searchable transcript, again kudos for setting an example for how web comics *should* be done.)

BTW is O'Neill an homage to Gerard K. O'Neill?  Fitting for an L-5er.

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on January 09, 2012, 11:14:26 am
I seem to have some perceptual disability which leads me to making this mistake repeatedly with lettering. I see two characters, two balloons, I point one at each character. Or maybe it's because I do my lettering way too late at night when I should be in bed sleeping.

Anyway, it's fixed now.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: piratep2r on January 12, 2012, 09:16:56 am
Hi Scott, hi folks.

May have found a minor error.  Was reading through the meeting with Hari again (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=251) and noted that Seamus calls Dr. Sharkisian a "he."  At first I thought that this was on purpose and humorous (Seamus isn't perfect after all and certainly makes assumptions) but then Hari also says something like "I'm glad you took my advice to go see him."  It doesn't seem likely that Hari doesn't know she is female.

I would note that her gender is established in the under comic text in comic http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=270 as female ("her" office).  Plus she looks female, but before that I still wasn't sure, since body modifications seem pretty common so I didn't want to make assumptions.

Thanks for the hard work on this comic.  We don't see eye to eye politically (not that that matters) but your work ethic, art, consistency, and imagination, and intelligent content are really impressive.  Good job and I really enjoy your comic!

Peter
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on January 13, 2012, 10:50:52 am
Yeah, ya caught me in an error. I hadn't yet firmed up what Dr. Sharkisian would look like when I was drawing the scene at Hari's and pretty much at the last minute decided to make this character female.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: moonweight on January 14, 2012, 01:05:01 pm
Firstly, thanks for this place to post for newbies.

Secondly, I have read TPB, Architect, QV(reading), Phoebus Krumm, Timepeeper and have found all of them to be really enjoyable. For comparison, I'd like to add that I have read only classics like Asimov, Heinlein, Larry Niven, etc and I find many of these of the same entertainment level, although a bit modern and local (US centred)

Thirdly, the artwork is brilliant. There are several other webcomics that arent as good at the art - so this one stands out.

I'm not a great fanboy of novels as such (Star Trek, Star Wars are another matter :D ) so I only read once or maybe occasionally the second time. In my opinion, great scifi is that which brings forth unexpected concepts and thinking. Quantum Vibe has a good helping of that and also some well-thought out futuristic technology ideas.

I'd love to contribute any ideas to plots or concepts if that helps because I cannot afford to purchase the books.

Good luck and great stuff!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Fordi on January 19, 2012, 07:26:21 am
Neat.

I came here to specifically ask if "Davis Caverns" was a reference to "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", in which Manuel Garcia O'Kelly-Davis and his family are key players in the Lunar revolution.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on January 19, 2012, 09:11:53 am
Yes, it's an homage to TMIAHM. One of several I'm sprinkling through this section. Not saying that Quantum Vibe exists in the same universe as that story -- in Luna/QV's history, for example, there was no Wyoming Knott. And the role assumed by Bernardo De La Paz in TMIAHM was undertaken by someone else -- actually two someone elses. And in the QV universe the revolution happened several decades later.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Fordi on January 19, 2012, 08:38:01 pm
Hooray for common geekdom!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Webleys on January 19, 2012, 11:50:54 pm
Davis Family Caverns, as in Manuel Garcia "Mannie" O'Kelly-Davis?

Greg from Minneapolis.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arnuz on January 26, 2012, 03:22:16 pm
Hi all...

So remind me - who's Phil?!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on January 26, 2012, 04:19:18 pm
Hi all...

So remind me - who's Phil?!

If you mean Philbert, he was the live-in that Nicole was supporting while he tried to build a music career.  He dumped her and left for another chick at the beginning of the strip.  He tried to come back and Nicole disciplined him with a (presumably light-weight) shovel.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arnuz on January 28, 2012, 01:01:36 am
Oh right the boyfriend. It's a small solar system.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on February 01, 2012, 12:14:57 am
So you post by clicking on "reply"?

Hope it works.

I'm the sort who thinks that bachelors like me should be taxed even more to give the money to people with children, and who also agrees with everything Krugman writes in the NY Times, so you can guess that I'm reading your Webcomic because of the science fiction in it and not the politics.

When the beagle boys came in two days ago I thought it was fun to see goons like that appear .  Yesterday I hoped those brutes would disappear, and now I feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 01, 2012, 02:05:41 pm
The goons attempted the kidnapping of a helpless rejuv patient -- and when they deemed the revival procedure too time-consuming, they were on the verge of killing him outright.

So no, don't feel sorry for them. They have reaped what they sowed.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on February 01, 2012, 03:17:54 pm
I'm the sort who thinks that bachelors like me should be taxed even more to give the money to people with children, and who also agrees with everything Krugman writes in the NY Times, so you can guess that I'm reading your Webcomic because of the science fiction in it and not the politics.

If you want to give your money to people with kids then do so.  Don't steal it from other people who are not so inclined.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 02, 2012, 12:15:47 am
Actually I'm pleased to see readers like qvic here -- my goal here is to create a story compelling enough that even people who don't agree with my politics can appreciate it. That's why I generally keep the politics in the background. Also, I quickly grow bored with echo-chambers, and it's good to have diverse viewpoints represented here.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on February 02, 2012, 02:17:58 am
The goons attempted the kidnapping of a helpless rejuv patient -- and when they deemed the revival procedure too time-consuming, they were on the verge of killing him outright.

So no, don't feel sorry for them. They have reaped what they sowed.

Well, yes, I certainly had no intention to start reciting “Now cracks a noble heart. Goodnight sweet prince…” over any of their remains.  But I shall still mourn them for the potential for comic relief that dumb fist-fighting ruffians can bring.  In the first strip they reminded me so much of the beagle boys! I will console myself with the, ah, er, hum, “flexible” bedside manner of this lady doctor.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on February 02, 2012, 02:20:37 am
I'm the sort who thinks that bachelors like me should be taxed even more to give the money to people with children, and who also agrees with everything Krugman writes in the NY Times, so you can guess that I'm reading your Webcomic because of the science fiction in it and not the politics.

If you want to give your money to people with kids then do so.  Don't steal it from other people who are not so inclined.

Even if I read the NY Times now and then I don’t live in the same country as you do. So there’s not the slightest risk that my voting for a given party might lead to the introduction of higher income taxes that might affect you.  Quite the opposite:  I happen to think that while higher income taxes for me (and other bachelors with no dependents) are a good idea, I also think that any kind of sales tax is an odious burden on the poor while being inconsequential for the rich.  So I basically vote for those who think like me on this, and one day perhaps we will repeal all forms of sales taxes in my country.  This means that one day (perhaps ) you, as a tourist, could buy anything and not pay any tax at all if you came to visit my country.  See?  Your money is incredibly safe from me.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Mikelo on February 02, 2012, 11:29:30 am
I've been lurking around for a little while now, so i might as well introduce myself. My name is Mike Conway, and I found Quantum Vibe after finding The Probability Broach, and Big Head's comics are a breath of fresh air to me.

Not just kissing ass here.  ;)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on February 03, 2012, 08:18:10 am
The goons attempted the kidnapping of a helpless rejuv patient -- and when they deemed the revival procedure too time-consuming, they were on the verge of killing him outright.

So no, don't feel sorry for them. They have reaped what they sowed.

Well, yes, I certainly had no intention to start reciting “Now cracks a noble heart. Goodnight sweet prince…” over any of their remains.  But I shall still mourn them for the potential for comic relief that dumb fist-fighting ruffians can bring.  In the first strip they reminded me so much of the beagle boys! I will console myself with the, ah, er, hum, “flexible” bedside manner of this lady doctor.

Well, if he really wants to add some Beagle Boys fun, he can just come up with some more of these Moon-men.  After all, the Beagle Boys had plenty of relatives!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 03, 2012, 02:19:59 pm
GENSAXWAL churns out these various models of Enforcer-class clones by the thousands. So, we'll likely see some again.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: axhandle on February 06, 2012, 08:42:40 am
The only thing missing from the goon-clones was serial numbers consisting of permutations of 176-671.
Regarding Samantha the "furball".  Is she a genetically modified human, an android, or a genetically modified animal like Florence in Freefall?
I love the artwork in this series.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 06, 2012, 01:04:34 pm
In the more-free societies here, people often re-engineer themselves to suit their fancies (most often this happens after their original bodies have worn out so much that they need to do a full rejuvenation treatment, but not always). So, Samantha and any other "furry" type you see here are, most likely, modified humans. (There are a few androids who do this too, or were manufactured that way.) It's all an out-growth of the "furry" sub-culture we see in the present day.

There will also be modified animals, but at the time of the story there is a cultural taboo against bringing non-human animals up to sapience, so these are fairly rare. It has to do with some history which will be revealed much later in the story.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: rfaramir on February 06, 2012, 05:10:13 pm
Don't know what the taboo would be from directly, but H.G. Wells had a good idea of how bad an idea it might be in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Island_of_Doctor_Moreau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Island_of_Doctor_Moreau).

I love Freefall, too! Poor Bowman's Wolf is in a pickle.

I wonder if in a couple thousand years, people who have become furries, or legends about them, become the basis of a renaissance of belief in reincarnation.
Title: Going out for pizza
Post by: customdesigned on February 08, 2012, 01:43:29 pm
Why didn't the security guards order pizza instead of going out for it?  Are delivery services super expensive on luna?  I would have though a relatively dumb robot could carry out delivery tasks, making it cheap.  Perhaps it was a security risk to give out the real address, and they ordered delivery to a nearby office which they could walk to in a few minutes (unfortunately plenty long enough for an attacker waiting for just such a moment)?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 09, 2012, 09:25:29 am
Well, yeah, they should have ordered delivery, but they didn't. Not because of cost, though. Because they were restless, and wanted to go out for a bit, and figured, not unreasonably, that Luther could handle any celebrity-stalker that might show up. They weren't expecting a trio of beefy, shock-gauntleted Enforcer-class Terrans. They screwed up.

It's a good question, though, and I'll try to fit this explanation into the strip later if I can.
Title: great expressions and a solid SF punchRe: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on February 13, 2012, 05:33:15 pm
Since I'm now  "slowly" reading each page from day to day, sometimes many times over in a single day, I'm enjoying her expressions more,.  This is in contrast to the too quick reading I did of past pages when I discovered  her adventures.  Or maybe I'm wrong with the impression and you're now putting even more work in her expressions than before?

I also enjoy the solid SF "punches" now and then, coming up when I least expect it.  The last one was when the thugs burst in and punched up that poor belt ape. Surprise!  This one is less physically violent but juts as "punchy".  The future holds new ways for ladies to die of embarrassment, and very suddenly too.  Behold the maglev pack and its potential for social discomfiture!

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 13, 2012, 11:11:35 pm
Thanks, qvic.

If Nicole is looking more expressive lately it's most likely because the more I work with the character, the more comfortable I feel in her skin. If that makes any sense.

She's loosely based on an actual, living lady scientist, in case I haven't mentioned that. She's a bio-chemist who lives and works in Texas, who I met on a comics-related forum. I won't name her because she values her privacy, but does follow the strip. I don't think she posts in this forum, though.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on February 15, 2012, 01:08:04 pm
Gah! Another tax-lover! Yes yes, gather round to see the freak, people! Bona fide (pan)Scandinavian, in the flesh!
Just so's y'all know, it's true what you've heard : we Scandinavians pay taxes around the 50% mark, and at the same time we lead happy, productive lives.
Yes yes, something in the ground water to be sure! (And we don't let each other carry guns, either!  :o )
Anyway, I had a great laugh at the "plus tax" page, believe it or not, it's even better when you can identify with BOTH sides of the matter.
Sales taxes, or Value Added Tax or whatever we call them ... it's a special flavor of crazy, definitely.
Gets even better if you're running a small one-man (freelancer) company, like I do. You see, I collect this tax for the state... but then, if my total turnover is less than a certain amount, the state pays it back to me! So, as I've failed to collect enough taxes, the State says "Pfft, you keep it!".
Makes me feel a little bit like Robin Hood, robbing the tax collector - and a little bit like a hobo, dumpster diving for quarters.
Couldn't get much more crazy than that, huh?

Anyway, I look forward to the "Great Anarcho-Libertarian Land Purchase", after which ya'll will show the world how it works in practice. It certainly beats the corporocracy.

Anyway; I follow these comics both for the storytelling (which includes the artwork) and the What-if Politics... if that makes me anarcho-curious, so be it  ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 15, 2012, 01:24:23 pm
Glad you like the story, Andreas, please tell your friends.  ;D

But don't hold your breath waiting for any "Great Anarcho-Libertarian Land Purchase." That won't be allowed. We likely won't see that sort of experiment until we can start colonizing other planets and planetoids.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on February 15, 2012, 01:37:41 pm
Anyway, I had a great laugh at the "plus tax" page, believe it or not, it's even better when you can identify with BOTH sides of the matter.
Sales taxes, or Value Added Tax or whatever we call them ... it's a special flavor of crazy, definitely.

Anyway; I follow these comics both for the storytelling (which includes the artwork) and the What-if Politics... if that makes me anarcho-curious, so be it  ;D

Well, at least the U.S. hasn't really got the hang of the VAT.  Not yet, anyway!

"anarcho-curious"    heh.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on February 16, 2012, 02:19:53 am
Glad you like the story, Andreas, please tell your friends.  ;D

But don't hold your breath waiting for any "Great Anarcho-Libertarian Land Purchase." That won't be allowed. We likely won't see that sort of experiment until we can start colonizing other planets and planetoids.


BTW, that makes me wonder; how are cooperative efforts viewed within this community?
Seems like some efforts are too big for private individuals, and I really don't want to have to trust in benign CEOs (something I've come to consider a myth disseminated by our would-be corporate masters), so that puts the cooperative into focus (whether or not it's classified as a non-traded corporation or whatever).
I am originally from Denmark, and when I wanted to make sure I was using the correct term for what I refer to, I was surprised to find that it's apparently properly referred to as "the Danish Cooperative Movement" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_cooperative_movement
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 16, 2012, 01:34:21 pm
Among libertarians today, cooperatives are perfectly acceptable ways to organize group activity, provided participation is voluntary. Modern corporations, being creations of the state, are controversial. Some regard them as impermissible grants of unjust privilege; others see them as just another way of organizing that could have counter-parts within a stateless system (joint-stock companies with contractual arrangements limiting the liability of investors).

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on February 17, 2012, 01:53:28 am
I'm afraid I'm incurably pragmatic, so I don't really care about why the publicly traded corporations don't work, only that they don't work.
It's very intriguing if there could be a "natural" system which would remove all the perverse incentives we see.
The way stock markets work today, we're just running headlong from crisis to crisis; sure we see overall growth, but the total market worth (or rather the entire human value) would increase more without these wasteful crashes. The wastefulness of crashes can be seen in the thousands of foreclosed homes now rotting away around the world, or worse, the nearly-done construction projects that ran out of funding (those are going to be fit only for bulldozing by the time they could be needed again).
So, yeah, if we had to keep the stock market, we'd have to keep regulating it (forever). That's why I have a severe problem with many republican viewpoints, since they don't seem to want to do away with the sick market, only with the restraints keeping it from hurting itself and its surroundings.

So, yeah, anything less fundamentally flawed will get my interest.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sieggy on February 17, 2012, 07:19:12 am
The problem isn't as much the (or any) system, it's people. No matter what kind of system you have, some people will behave in an ethical manner, some won't, some will game the system (whatever it is), and some will behave like predators. Thus, any type of economy / society without some form of (gasp!) regulation and the ability to encourage proper behavior while discouraging predatory behavior won't survive for long.

This is why I look at the various 'anarcho-whatevers' with amusement. The idea that you can have a system dependent on ALL the people doing the 'right thing' is hopelessly idealistic. It only takes a few to screw everything up for everyone.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on February 17, 2012, 09:14:48 am
The problem isn't as much the (or any) system, it's people. No matter what kind of system you have, some people will behave in an ethical manner, some won't, some will game the system (whatever it is), and some will behave like predators. Thus, any type of economy / society without some form of (gasp!) regulation and the ability to encourage proper behavior while discouraging predatory behavior won't survive for long.

This is why I look at the various 'anarcho-whatevers' with amusement. The idea that you can have a system dependent on ALL the people doing the 'right thing' is hopelessly idealistic. It only takes a few to screw everything up for everyone.

And of course, anarcho-capitalism does *not* depend upon all the people doing the right thing all the time. It is simply a society with a different set of incentives, and relies on those incentives to encourage most people to do the right thing most of the time.

If you can see how the incentives in today's status quo work, can you not imagine how incentives would be different in a different type of society?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 17, 2012, 09:45:47 am
To put it simply, anarchists are against rulers, but not rules.

The problem with the state is that it creates a class of people (the "political class") who have power over everyone else, and are generally exempt from the rules they promulgate and enforce. Elections don't limit the political class' power, they only serve as protective cover for the political class' predations. Dividing power among differing groups (executive/admin vs. parliamentary vs. judicial) does help to some extent, and the political class will sometimes sacrifice one of their own if his actions are so egregious as to threaten the political class' apparent legitimacy.

In an anarchist system, rules are determined by general consensus (therefore they need to be simple and universal), there are no "crimes" that are not crimes against persons or their property, and enforcers are subject to the same rules as everyone else.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on February 19, 2012, 04:51:08 pm
So... a bit like the old Icelandic Althingi?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alþing#Foundation
Of course, Iceland was a bit rough around the edges.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 20, 2012, 11:31:15 am
Most people were rough around the edges in those days.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on February 20, 2012, 03:37:07 pm
Are there enforcers? Or do you mean the people who have happened to take it upon themselves to enforce in a particular instance?
Of course, I guess a Bar's bouncer is a kind of enforcer, in the absence of public enforcers.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Carlyle on February 22, 2012, 05:06:41 pm
Yo, I revised the QV TVTropes entry to better reflect reality. How do you like it?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/QuantumVibe
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 22, 2012, 07:07:08 pm
Hmmm. Some fair observations, I think others miss the boat, or my intent, anyway.

"Artifolk" is not a "Smeerp" word. It is a particular term used in this universe to describe a sapient artificial intelligence -- usually but not necessarily attached to something that resembles a human body. Nicole would laugh at the idea of calling one of those assembly-line robots the car-makers use these days as "artifolk." She might have to think a bit about the Lost In Space Robot.

It's also a bit of a PC term, with regards to the controversy in some quarters as to whether sapient machines should have the same rights as human beings. Many artifolk are property, many others are not. Some humans who don't like artifolk use slur-words such as "tinbrains" or "skin-jobs" (hat-tip to Philip K. Dick) or "slags" or whatever else comes to mind.

Nicole is not exactly an "ubermensch." In her world, pretty much everyone under 200 years old has had their genes hacked in gestation, to some degree, for various purposes, and often in 3 or 4 generations. (Rejuvenation procedures also enhance their older patients.) So she's smarter, faster, and stronger than she may look, but then so are those she encounters.

Hari Copperton's appearance is based on a deceased friend of mine.

Seamus 0 Murchadha is not a Mary Sue. He is a central character and drives the plot. Also as the story progresses we will learn things about Seamus that puts him well out of the Mary Sue realm. He somewhat resembles Tom Baker because when I asked myself, if I were casting an actor for this character, which would I want? it kept coming up Tom, sorry. I almost went for Jonathan Winters.

"Word Salad Lyrics" -- The lyrics have meaning, they use future idioms, a bit of homonym substitution, and slang. Yes the meter is short but that's Chari & Prebakar's style. You don't have to like it.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: abookwyrm on March 04, 2012, 11:27:17 am
Hi, long time lurker. I finally decided to join up so I could post a thought or two if I was puzzled. I probably wont post too much, but here I am anyway. :)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: kunkmiester on March 05, 2012, 11:18:07 pm
Been reading EfT, finally realized this is one of those sites with more than one comic.  Anyway, since I'm starting at the beginning, and haven't seen much that looks like it's explaining...

Why a shovel on a space station?  Perhaps some maintenance functions would work well with one, but it doesn't occur to me she'd be working at such a job.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on March 07, 2012, 04:06:26 am
Why a shovel on a space station? 
There's a whole thread about that  ;D
http://forum.bigheadpress.com/index.php?topic=519.0
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Norman on March 09, 2012, 11:54:39 pm
Just read up through the Cheese Bust, and have several comments/questions:

So if ZAP is "Zero Agression Principle" (as we see in EfT), what is ABCT? <does a quick websearch, discarding military units and professional psychologists' organizations>  Austrian Business Cycle Theory?

I've noted that Nicole apparently considers 3 gravities a comfortable acceleration.   My compliments to the genetic engineers responsible.  (Vanessa Oresme?   Or might that be earlier work?)

If the main problem with interstellar travel is objects that are detectable only by their gravity, I've got another app for Seamus' grav sensor technology.  If the range can be cranked up enough to be useful at a useful speed, that is ^_^
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Norman on March 09, 2012, 11:56:14 pm
Also, it has been way too long since I read any new Munden's Bar stories.  Was the play any good?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on March 10, 2012, 12:14:21 pm

I've noted that Nicole apparently considers 3 gravities a comfortable acceleration.   My compliments to the genetic engineers responsible.  (Vanessa Oresme?   Or might that be earlier work?)


Mentioned in the strip and elsewhere in the forums, a grav in QV is one meter/sec squared rather than the terracentric 32 meters/sec squared.  Since Earth is not the sole or possibly even largest population base in the solarsystem.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Bob G on March 10, 2012, 11:07:37 pm


Mentioned in the strip and elsewhere in the forums, a grav in QV is one meter/sec squared rather than the terracentric 32 meters/sec squared.  Since Earth is not the sole or possibly even largest population base in the solarsystem.


9.8 m/s2, 32 f/s2

Blast that infernal metric system, anyway!   ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Norman on March 13, 2012, 11:55:45 am

Mentioned in the strip and elsewhere in the forums, a grav in QV is one meter/sec squared

I missed that.  Much becomes clear.  Like why Pellucidar Station is is pulling  9 gravs ^_^

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: SFinx on March 16, 2012, 12:24:14 pm
So I can't help but notice that an activist judge is protecting Nicole's rights here. I thought Scott wasn't into that sort of thing?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Hans Rancke on March 16, 2012, 04:04:00 pm
So I can't help but notice that an activist judge is protecting Nicole's rights here.

Funny, I had the exact opposite reaction. I thought the prison authorities had managed to make the judiciary swallow shaving people who were not yet convicted of anything but hadn't quite managed to get it to go along with invasive surgery yet.

EDIT: No, I see that I'm wrong. The judge said they couldn't do it any more. So they used to be allowed to do it, but a judge had put a stop to it.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on March 19, 2012, 09:57:14 am
So I can't help but notice that an activist judge is protecting Nicole's rights here. I thought Scott wasn't into that sort of thing?

The whole Lunar government and culture is pretty much the opposite of the L5 society, and thus very much what Scott isn't into.
I'd say it's being shown to provide contrast.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on March 19, 2012, 01:27:19 pm
Sometimes my characters lie.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: UncleRice on March 20, 2012, 08:38:43 pm
Ok, if we are sticking this stuff in one spot, I'm a 40 something that believes in the need for an inhuman government as opposed to our current human governments as an inhuman government wouldn't be subject to the human flaws our current systems suffer from. Mind you, I fully understand a lot of bad can fall under the title of "Inhuman Government", but I don't see any profit from human based systems.

In many ways, I see the Anarchist system being similar to the time covered by the Bible book of Judges. They had a Law, they had the priests who sold the Law to the people, and you had the Judges that enforced the Law by the power of divine intervention, they had no king over them, and as long as everyone did their job it actually worked pretty well with only a 10% tax. Here the Law is "ZAP", you have your occasional "priest who sells people on the law, you have your judges who enforce the law at the point of a gun, and it all works without a king cause everyone does what they are supposed to do. If it worked in the here and now, I wouldn't mind an effective 10% tax. It would sure beat the 50 - 60 % tax that is levied to prop up the corpgovernment we have now.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on March 21, 2012, 01:50:20 am
And we all know how righteous and pure are the priests :p ;D
Title: Cruising along Re: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on March 23, 2012, 01:18:18 am
I'm not saying anything but that doesn't mean I don't like it.

For instance, it's pure gold in today's strip.  It's pure  comic-based science fiction, but you need the preceding days to get into it. So, thanks for another nugget!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Zaylinda on March 23, 2012, 11:57:42 am
So... are we assuming that the Beltape is Buford from earlier in the strip? (circa 137)

I must say that today's strip, with the ear touching, doesn't do ANYTHING to dissuade the mild shipping my brain has been indulging in since Nicole sat beside her!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: voltamancer on April 10, 2012, 07:01:51 pm
Yes, it's an homage to TMIAHM. One of several I'm sprinkling through this section. Not saying that Quantum Vibe exists in the same universe as that story -- in Luna/QV's history, for example, there was no Wyoming Knott. And the role assumed by Bernardo De La Paz in TMIAHM was undertaken by someone else -- actually two someone elses. And in the QV universe the revolution happened several decades later.

I'm just catching up after some time away from QV, and tripped on the Davis Caverns reference.  Funny thing, because what caught my eye was the "Jones-Hardesty campus" shout-out.  I'm cranky that I could not remember Hollie Jones from "The Menace From Earth" until Wikipedia helped me...  Nice tie-in, with the 'campus', though.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on April 11, 2012, 05:40:42 am
Just when I was starting to be a bit bored by the non-science fictional banality of the decor you hit me on the head with this beautiful one. Boyoboy do I ever get the impression I'm in the future,  on the Moon, now. And the plot gets to move along well, too.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on April 12, 2012, 08:45:53 am
Just when I was starting to be a bit bored by the non-science fictional banality of the decor you hit me on the head with this beautiful one. Boyoboy do I ever get the impression I'm in the future,  on the Moon, now. And the plot gets to move along well, too.

Yes, it's nice to have some actual, futuristic-looking art.  Maybe the future will be more ordinary, more banal than we think, but that doesn't mean we have to LIKE it! 

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on April 12, 2012, 01:33:07 pm
Just when I was starting to be a bit bored by the non-science fictional banality of the decor you hit me on the head with this beautiful one. Boyoboy do I ever get the impression I'm in the future,  on the Moon, now. And the plot gets to move along well, too.

Yes, it's nice to have some actual, futuristic-looking art.  Maybe the future will be more ordinary, more banal than we think, but that doesn't mean we have to LIKE it! 

It's very likely that the future will be entirely ordinary and banal. Doorknobs, for instance, are likely to stick around, simply because they are so uncomplicated and inexpensive. John Scalzi (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/03/21/reader-request-week-2012-4-future-doorknobs-or-lack-thereof/) (from whom I am blatantly ripping off this argument) makes a point not to use such "it's the future!!!!" shortcuts, like automatically sliding doors, unless there's a compelling reason for their use. If the technology becomes cheap enough, for instance, hospitals might put it to use on all their doors, to help prevent the spread of germs (doorknobs are a big culprit, there).
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on April 13, 2012, 05:51:13 am
Just when I was starting to be a bit bored by the non-science fictional banality of the decor you hit me on the head with this beautiful one. Boyoboy do I ever get the impression I'm in the future,  on the Moon, now. And the plot gets to move along well, too.

Yes, it's nice to have some actual, futuristic-looking art.  Maybe the future will be more ordinary, more banal than we think, but that doesn't mean we have to LIKE it! 

It's very likely that the future will be entirely ordinary and banal. Doorknobs, for instance, are likely to stick around, simply because they are so uncomplicated and inexpensive. John Scalzi (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2012/03/21/reader-request-week-2012-4-future-doorknobs-or-lack-thereof/) (from whom I am blatantly ripping off this argument) makes a point not to use such "it's the future!!!!" shortcuts, like automatically sliding doors, unless there's a compelling reason for their use. If the technology becomes cheap enough, for instance, hospitals might put it to use on all their doors, to help prevent the spread of germs (doorknobs are a big culprit, there).

Go back 200 years and look at door knobs and also door frames and the moving parts of doors.

Then go back 500 years and do the same again.  It's not the same thing.  Don't trust doors in surviving Renaissance or medieval buildings.  They are all restorations built with present-day technologies.

Doorknobs aren't hazards in hospitals only.  These days people live too fast and a sizable minority doesn't bother to actually soap down and thoroughly wash their hands after emptying their lower intestine in a toilet.  Their hands look clean in their eyes so they just splatter water on them and wipe it off.  As a result, recent studies have repeatedly found traces of fecal matter on grocery cart handles. The traces are microscopic, but microscopic traces is all you need for bio contamination.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ELeeMacFall on April 13, 2012, 08:47:08 am
I mostly lurk, as well, usually as a guest. I'm a Christian and a staunch anarcho-capitalist libertarian.

Hey, me too! Always nice to meet another one.

I think the half a dozen or so of us should get together sometime.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on April 13, 2012, 05:22:18 pm
Go back 200 years and look at door knobs and also door frames and the moving parts of doors.

Then go back 500 years and do the same again.  It's not the same thing.  Don't trust doors in surviving Renaissance or medieval buildings.  They are all restorations built with present-day technologies.

Didn't read the post I linked, did you? It mentions that doorknobs are relatively recent technology. But the key points are that they are cheap and effective technology. They keep the door closed when we need them to, and they let us open it when we need them to. Yes, they do indeed provide excellent transfer surfaces for bacteria. But that's only a problem where there are those with weakened immune systems, such as in a hospital. As long as they remain cheap and effective, they'll stick around.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on April 15, 2012, 03:29:29 pm
Doorknobs aren't hazards in hospitals only.  These days people live too fast and a sizable minority doesn't bother to actually soap down and thoroughly wash their hands after emptying their lower intestine in a toilet.  Their hands look clean in their eyes so they just splatter water on them and wipe it off.  As a result, recent studies have repeatedly found traces of fecal matter on grocery cart handles. The traces are microscopic, but microscopic traces is all you need for bio contamination.

When doorknobs were actual brass, without actual lacquer protecting the finish, the brass itself killed germs.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on April 15, 2012, 11:59:03 pm
Go back 200 years and look at door knobs and also door frames and the moving parts of doors.

Then go back 500 years and do the same again.  It's not the same thing.  Don't trust doors in surviving Renaissance or medieval buildings.  They are all restorations built with present-day technologies.

Didn't read the post I linked, did you? It mentions that doorknobs are relatively recent technology. But the key points are that they are cheap and effective technology. They keep the door closed when we need them to, and they let us open it when we need them to. Yes, they do indeed provide excellent transfer surfaces for bacteria. But that's only a problem where there are those with weakened immune systems, such as in a hospital. As long as they remain cheap and effective, they'll stick around.

I started to read it, because sometimes John Scalzi often does write some interesting things.  He's an OK fella in my book and he knows a lot about the writer's market and the SF market, having been involved in pro associations of writers at several levels. On the other hand he doesn't understand zilch about the history of technology and like most Hollywood types he won't take the necessary time to read books on the topic.  In fact he doesn't understand much about tech and society or about the art of presenting it in a science fiction novel or short story.  Yes, I know that he was  president of the SFWA but that doesn't mean he's good, since past SFWA presidents have been even worse SF writers than him.  I read his first novel, groaning at his misunderstandings of tech and society all the way, when I wasn't groaning at his lack of mastery of the craft of writing.  I tried to read his second novel and failed. I tried to read a third one and failed also. So when I noticed that in that article you linked to he was going on in a topic in which he was astoundingly ignorant, I stopped. But like I said, he's an OK guy and he seems to really know what he's talking about on other matters.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ELeeMacFall on April 16, 2012, 04:45:14 pm
Doorknobs may be a health risk in hospitals, but in general, and in the long term, oversterilization is a risk to be avoided. I think doorknobs are here to stay. And if I get to the future and they don't have them anymore, I'll damn well make some.  ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on April 16, 2012, 05:17:24 pm
Why doorknobs?  Why not door levers?  Knobs can get slippery or sticky and be awkward.  All you need is a reasonable mechanism for releasing the door catch.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on April 16, 2012, 05:33:44 pm
Why doorknobs?  Why not door levers?  Knobs can get slippery or sticky and be awkward.  All you need is a reasonable mechanism for releasing the door catch.

Actually, I agree. I just used "doorknob" to refer to any physical, mechanically actuated door latching mechanism, from the basic round knob, to levers, to handles with thumb latches, etc.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on April 16, 2012, 11:07:11 pm
Doorknobs may be a health risk in hospitals, but in general, and in the long term, oversterilization is a risk to be avoided. I think doorknobs are here to stay. And if I get to the future and they don't have them anymore, I'll damn well make some.  ;D

I doubt we need panic, even if every doorway known to mankind was automated and mechanized.  knob, wheel, lever or handle, There still remains a need for manual override.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ex-Gooserider on April 17, 2012, 12:13:56 am
Minor note,  Technically DoorKNOBS are already obsolete for some applications...  Accessible design standards call for the use of levers as opposed to knobs - which pretty much applies to any place that is required to meet ADA standards...  (As such things go this seems a pretty minor imposition, since it doesn't add any significant cost / effort, just use of different hardware...)  The reason is that a doorknob requires a fairly good grip to turn, while a lever can be operated with a push, making it easier for people with prosthetics or limited grip strength to open the door.

As an intro, I've been reading the BHP stuff for quite a while - ever since I met L. Neil and Scott at the Denver LP National Convention a few years back.  (Been reading LNS for longer, just wish I'd known he was going to be there so I could have had him sign my entire collection!) A couple years ago I had a serious tree cutting accident combined with resulting emergency surgery that left me a paraplegic...  Since that forced induction into the HP community, I've been learning all sorts of stuff that I never really wanted to...  (I also get to feel rather hypocritical, between being thankful for ADA required accessibility and the fact that I would be a heck of a lot worse off without the gov't insurance programs (Romneycare) that keep me equipped with all the stuff I need to live...  (I estimate it costs about $10 every time I pee, as just one item....))

Mostly I just lurk as I got burned out long ago on discussing freedom issues - doesn't seem to change minds and puts lots of wear and tear on the keyboards...

ex-Gooserider
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on April 17, 2012, 10:34:57 am
Minor note,  Technically DoorKNOBS are already obsolete for some applications...  Accessible design standards call for the use of levers as opposed to knobs - which pretty much applies to any place that is required to meet ADA standards...  (As such things go this seems a pretty minor imposition, since it doesn't add any significant cost / effort, just use of different hardware...)  The reason is that a doorknob requires a fairly good grip to turn, while a lever can be operated with a push, making it easier for people with prosthetics or limited grip strength to open the door.

As an intro, I've been reading the BHP stuff for quite a while - ever since I met L. Neil and Scott at the Denver LP National Convention a few years back.  (Been reading LNS for longer, just wish I'd known he was going to be there so I could have had him sign my entire collection!) A couple years ago I had a serious tree cutting accident combined with resulting emergency surgery that left me a paraplegic...  Since that forced induction into the HP community, I've been learning all sorts of stuff that I never really wanted to...  (I also get to feel rather hypocritical, between being thankful for ADA required accessibility and the fact that I would be a heck of a lot worse off without the gov't insurance programs (Romneycare) that keep me equipped with all the stuff I need to live...  (I estimate it costs about $10 every time I pee, as just one item....))

A lever is easier to operate even for the non-handicapped, I think.  So, instead of being ashamed of your position, take advantage of it.  Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is find out why doorknobs are still so prevalent, especially in homes.  Why is it that when I go to Home Depot or Lowe's, I'm greeted by a vast array of doorknobs for sale, and very few levers for sale?

Sure, I understand ADA mainly applies to businesses and such, but if levers really are easier, than doorknobs, what's preventing their widescale usage?  Economics?  Is it just incredibly cheap to use knobs instead of levers?  Or are there other regulations affecting housing construction that might come into play?  Regs that possibly conflict with ADA requirements?  Or even something else--maybe it's cultural stickiness, and nothing to do with economics or regulations. 

Whatever it is, I'd like someone to investigate and find out what's really happening there.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ex-Gooserider on April 18, 2012, 12:47:09 am
Well we recently purchased a lever 'doorknob' at either Slowes or Home Despot so they are available...  Really there isn't any difference in the mechanical function - in either case you are simply turning a shaft that works the mechanism that retracts the bolt.  Even looked to me like the same mechanism...  I suspect that it wouldn't be that hard to even make a "conversion kit" to replace knobs with levers, though the lock makers would probably prefer to sell you a complete lockset for obvious reasons...

My suspicion is that the reason we see knobs is mostly just cultural inertia - it's what folks grew up with so it's what they buy, or matches what they have, etc...  For the most part, I don't think it is any ill will towards the handicapped, just a combination of not thinking about it, and a lack of knowledge about what / why the needs exist....  (I'll freely admit that before I got hurt, I probably would have looked for a lockset with a knob just to match the rest of what is in the house...)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on April 19, 2012, 12:35:02 am
For the most part, I don't think it is any ill will towards the handicapped, just a combination of not thinking about it, and a lack of knowledge about what / why the needs exist....  (I'll freely admit that before I got hurt, I probably would have looked for a lockset with a knob just to match the rest of what is in the house...)


...With a health dose of NIH (Not Invented Here).
Just like people don't trust water mixers in some parts of the world, preferring the scorch/freeze conundrum :D.

Other mysteries: Why does flushing a US toilet break the flow of water to the shower (according to pop culture at least), when in Europe it doesn't?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on April 19, 2012, 04:30:02 am
Other mysteries: Why does flushing a US toilet break the flow of water to the shower (according to pop culture at least), when in Europe it doesn't?

It doesn't break the flow, exactly, but water pressure does drop a little, so in homes with poor water pressure to begin with, suddenly you have a very hot shower because half your cold water is going to fill the tank. It's not much of a problem anymore, but it's still a good joke.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ex-Gooserider on April 19, 2012, 09:52:25 pm
Other mysteries: Why does flushing a US toilet break the flow of water to the shower (according to pop culture at least), when in Europe it doesn't?

It doesn't break the flow, exactly, but water pressure does drop a little, so in homes with poor water pressure to begin with, suddenly you have a very hot shower because half your cold water is going to fill the tank. It's not much of a problem anymore, but it's still a good joke.
Mykrul999 nailed it...  The effect of toilet flushing, or any other sudden water demand on shower temperature is essentially a function of the way the system is designed and plumbed, including factors like water pressure, pipe sizes and lengths, the layout of the piping and the actual amount of demands...  I've never heard that this wasn't a problem in Europe, but that doesn't mean much...  In short though, it isn't much of a problem any more because we have learned (usually by experiment) how best to design piping systems to minimise unwanted pressure drops, and invented things like the modern pressure balanced shower valves to compensate for the ones that do occur, along with corresponding "Code" changes to mandate their use (which improves both comfort and safety)

Seems to me like the many building "Code" regulations are a somewhat mixed bag from a Freedom standpoint...  Most of them have been developed by various voluntary industry and insurance groups in an effort to document "best practices" and prevent materials and workmanship that were shown to be hazardous.  (I've heard of the Electrical Code being called the "Book of the Dead" because supposedly every line was added because someone died doing it a way that is now prohibited...)  Different gov't bodies then came along and by various direct and indirect methods made it mandatory that the codes be followed...  (With added requirements for permission asking, fees, inspections, fees, additional requirements, and of course more fees... >:()

I doubt that many of us have problems with wanting building safety, and the legal code requirements do give some (not much) level of assurance that any existing structures that we may buy / rent are built to appropriate standards, despite it being difficult / impossible to actually verify this ourselves...  At the same time, is this a proper function of whatever gov't body we would like to see exist?

How would such things be handled in the belt?  Would there be some sort of voluntary certification agency or what?

ex-Gooserider
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: MirrorField on April 20, 2012, 12:24:55 am

Seems to me like the many building "Code" regulations are a somewhat mixed bag from a Freedom standpoint...  Most of them have been developed by various voluntary industry and insurance groups in an effort to document "best practices" and prevent materials and workmanship that were shown to be hazardous.  (I've heard of the Electrical Code being called the "Book of the Dead" because supposedly every line was added because someone died doing it a way that is now prohibited...)  Different gov't bodies then came along and by various direct and indirect methods made it mandatory that the codes be followed...  (With added requirements for permission asking, fees, inspections, fees, additional requirements, and of course more fees... >:()

I doubt that many of us have problems with wanting building safety, and the legal code requirements do give some (not much) level of assurance that any existing structures that we may buy / rent are built to appropriate standards, despite it being difficult / impossible to actually verify this ourselves...  At the same time, is this a proper function of whatever gov't body we would like to see exist?

How would such things be handled in the belt?  Would there be some sort of voluntary certification agency or what?

ex-Gooserider


The Doctrinaire Libertarian answer is exactly that: Voluntary certification agency (actually, competing corporations) that live and die by their reputation, inspect the place (or follow construction or whatever) and stamp it with their seal of approval if they think it's OK and bill the customer for the trouble in any case.

Any sort of building certification as such is specifically vulnerable to all kinds of gaming the system, be they a government agency or a private corporation. You can have awfully high savings with sub-standard installations that look and work fine for few years before crumbling and money/effort spent to corrupting appropriate certification authorities can be quite small in relation. Note that this also works in reverse: A Competitor can do tremendous damage to the builder by corrupting certification authority to create spurious roadblocks that delay the development. When construction is running, every wasted minute costs a lot of money.

Note that the private version is specifically vulnerable to fly-by-night operations or a "blow our carefully built reputation for one final score big enough to make upper management (or few key people) rich and buy them new identities" routine.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on April 20, 2012, 03:31:17 am
Could also be handled the Althing way: That way there's only one regulation: No cutting corners.

It becomes the craftsman duty to keep up with "best practices" (i.e. the baseline of not cutting corners), helped by various crafts publications... and the court of the people decides in case of conflict or mishap.

Of course, what happens in the case of stuff like asbestos? There will have to be litigation, then. In the end, consumers and craftsmen would have an interest in joining forces to fleece the companies that profited from the solution later found to be hazardous... it's not pretty, but, well... shit happens.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on April 20, 2012, 09:09:04 am
Why doorknobs?  Why not door levers?  Knobs can get slippery or sticky and be awkward.  All you need is a reasonable mechanism for releasing the door catch.

Welcome to the unintended consequences of the Americans With Disabilities Act!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f02oOs5A4Jc

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on April 20, 2012, 09:40:42 am

Seems to me like the many building "Code" regulations are a somewhat mixed bag from a Freedom standpoint...  Most of them have been developed by various voluntary industry and insurance groups in an effort to document "best practices" and prevent materials and workmanship that were shown to be hazardous.  (I've heard of the Electrical Code being called the "Book of the Dead" because supposedly every line was added because someone died doing it a way that is now prohibited...)  Different gov't bodies then came along and by various direct and indirect methods made it mandatory that the codes be followed...  (With added requirements for permission asking, fees, inspections, fees, additional requirements, and of course more fees... >:()

I doubt that many of us have problems with wanting building safety, and the legal code requirements do give some (not much) level of assurance that any existing structures that we may buy / rent are built to appropriate standards, despite it being difficult / impossible to actually verify this ourselves...  At the same time, is this a proper function of whatever gov't body we would like to see exist?

How would such things be handled in the belt?  Would there be some sort of voluntary certification agency or what?

ex-Gooserider


The Doctrinaire Libertarian answer is exactly that: Voluntary certification agency (actually, competing corporations) that live and die by their reputation, inspect the place (or follow construction or whatever) and stamp it with their seal of approval if they think it's OK and bill the customer for the trouble in any case.

Any sort of building certification as such is specifically vulnerable to all kinds of gaming the system, be they a government agency or a private corporation. You can have awfully high savings with sub-standard installations that look and work fine for few years before crumbling and money/effort spent to corrupting appropriate certification authorities can be quite small in relation. Note that this also works in reverse: A Competitor can do tremendous damage to the builder by corrupting certification authority to create spurious roadblocks that delay the development. When construction is running, every wasted minute costs a lot of money.

Note that the private version is specifically vulnerable to fly-by-night operations or a "blow our carefully built reputation for one final score big enough to make upper management (or few key people) rich and buy them new identities" routine.

Any regulation, voluntary or not, is going to add to the cost of construction and maintenance, so the question is, who decides what they consider to be the appropriate amount of regulation?  One problem with government regulation, even if they are not corrupted and are trying their best to provide for public safety, is that there is no economic incentives or feedback to tell them if they are regulating too much or too little. 

This is one reason voluntary certification is better, because it involves the market and provides the necessary economic incentives and feedbacks. 

People are vulnerable to fly-by-night operations whether government is involved or not.  The only protection against such operations is asking for references or credentials.  Now, which would provide more assurance, a government license to operate, or certification from a reputable certification agency?  The government license merely tells you that they paid the fee to get the license. A decent certification agency is going to be open and transparent to the public, so that anyone who is concerned can find out exactly what it takes for a company to be certified.

And, I can't imagine why a company that had spent years building their reputation at being a decent company would suddenly turn around and drastically change their policies?  Individuals within the company might change things, but it would be limited, and/or take a period of time for this change to occur.  A gradual process, not an overnight one.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on April 20, 2012, 09:41:13 am
Why doorknobs?  Why not door levers?  Knobs can get slippery or sticky and be awkward.  All you need is a reasonable mechanism for releasing the door catch.

Welcome to the unintended consequences of the Americans With Disabilities Act!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f02oOs5A4Jc

And thus we see the reason why doorknobs came into use in the first place.  The grasp-and-turn doorknob has never been susceptible to such a method of breaking and entering.

This isn't a matter of "unintended consequences" but rather one of willful ignorance on the part of putzes intent upon the well-intentioned pavement of yet another road to hell.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on April 20, 2012, 10:12:59 am
Why doorknobs?  Why not door levers?  Knobs can get slippery or sticky and be awkward.  All you need is a reasonable mechanism for releasing the door catch.

Welcome to the unintended consequences of the Americans With Disabilities Act!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f02oOs5A4Jc

And thus we see the reason why doorknobs came into use in the first place.  The grasp-and-turn doorknob has never been susceptible to such a method of breaking and entering.

This isn't a matter of "unintended consequences" but rather one of willful ignorance on the part of putzes intent upon the well-intentioned pavement of yet another road to hell.

And now we have something more than mere conjecture, that there is a conflict of interests involved.  Knobs and levers offer different advantages and disadvantages.  So who should decide which ones are more important?  The government, or the individuals who have to pay for and use them?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: JAM on April 20, 2012, 11:28:26 am
Ok, first post so here we go. I like QV, it's a fun webcomic.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: MirrorField on April 20, 2012, 12:22:24 pm

And, I can't imagine why a company that had spent years building their reputation at being a decent company would suddenly turn around and drastically change their policies?  Individuals within the company might change things, but it would be limited, and/or take a period of time for this change to occur.  A gradual process, not an overnight one.


Here is one thing that people forget: Corporations are not people. Corporations consist of people. People vary, people change and people are replaced.

Corporations (and their brands) are frequently bought and sold. New owners might not have same integrity as the old ones.

Nevertheless, I was thinking more of conspiracy by few key people leaving a disreputable wreck behind, with majority of the corp personnel and management left behind. Such maneuver would have limits, of course, and it would be done best in collusion with equally criminal construction company, but I think a such plot might be enough to get few people enough money to retire on. The Equivalent of bank management embezzling everything liquid they can grab and escaping to Bahamas followed by normal workers getting back to work on monday morning and wondering where the management is and why the coffers are empty.

Note that I haven't assessed probabilities of such happening. Just something that immediately popped on my mind regarding the subject. I might be wrong <shrug>.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on April 20, 2012, 03:31:16 pm
And thus we see the reason why doorknobs came into use in the first place.  The grasp-and-turn doorknob has never been susceptible to such a method of breaking and entering.

This isn't a matter of "unintended consequences" but rather one of willful ignorance on the part of putzes intent upon the well-intentioned pavement of yet another road to hell.

I beg to differ: The doorknob, like all other locking methods, is entirely incapable of keeping out a skilled entryman.
Just go to a hackspace and ask for someone with an interest in locks, they'll likely be happy to demonstrate.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on April 20, 2012, 04:03:44 pm
And thus we see the reason why doorknobs came into use in the first place.  The grasp-and-turn doorknob has never been susceptible to such a method of breaking and entering.

This isn't a matter of "unintended consequences" but rather one of willful ignorance on the part of putzes intent upon the well-intentioned pavement of yet another road to hell.

I beg to differ: The doorknob, like all other locking methods, is entirely incapable of keeping out a skilled entryman.
Just go to a hackspace and ask for someone with an interest in locks, they'll likely be happy to demonstrate.

If someone is determined enough to break in, they can usually do it.   The thing is to increase the difficulty to the point where they decide it's not worth the effort.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on April 20, 2012, 04:18:43 pm
If someone is determined enough to break in, they can usually do it.   The thing is to increase the difficulty to the point where they decide it's not worth the effort.
That's not it. The thing is to increase the difficulty to the point where someone else is an easier victim.
And in either case, the round doorknob doesn't factor into this. Those can actually be opened with a credit card. A plate that covers the gap between door and frame, on the other hand, is going to make a lot of burglars walk on by. Not because it's intimidating, but because it means they'll actually have to pick the lock, which will take a little while. Whereas somewhere close by will probably be a door they can bypass quickly
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on April 20, 2012, 11:31:41 pm
  (I've heard of the Electrical Code being called the "Book of the Dead" because supposedly every line was added because someone died doing it a way that is now prohibited...) 

I think you can see a kernel of truth in there when applied to all government bureaucracy as well.  Consider the sad example of the number of traffic fatalities needed to change a Stop Sign to a Traffic Light.   
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on April 21, 2012, 02:43:06 pm
If someone is determined enough to break in, they can usually do it.   The thing is to increase the difficulty to the point where they decide it's not worth the effort.
That's not it. The thing is to increase the difficulty to the point where someone else is an easier victim.
And in either case, the round doorknob doesn't factor into this. Those can actually be opened with a credit card.

Understand that it's the latching mechanism, not the knob, that plays in to the credit card (or coat hanger) picking. That same latching mechanism is used whether there's a knob, lever, thumb button (probably the least accessible), or bar. Yes, a plate covering the latch will greatly increase security, as will placing the hinges on the inside, and reinforcing the frame. It should be noted that the latching mechanism would be the target in a "future!!!" door, as well, with the exception that it would be electronic, possibly even computerized, which opens the door (so to speak), for easy hacks.

Also, for clarification, while I have also heard that, the quote above was not me, it was actually ex-Gooserider.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on April 21, 2012, 03:20:09 pm
Yeah, you're right, I misremembered that - it really does work for all unsecured latching mechanisms that don't use a bolt.
I did recall that the round doorknobs are considered especially easy... and a quick search did seem to support that :
Quote
If it's a round doorknob-lock, you'll consider yourself fortunate. Just pressurize the space between lock and frame with flat pins and it'll buckle out.
We don't actually have those round doorknobs over here on the continent, so I have no personal experience with them.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: fuunu2003 on April 25, 2012, 06:41:43 pm
Hi all found this gem of a comic the other day and gotta say it's awsome. I'm a disabled army vet  working as a federal employee. My wife is a professor at the university of Weurzburg.

Stupid question why did you set the gravity of venus to 9g when it is actually less than Earth.
Earth=9.8m/s^2 while Venus is 8.87m/s^2.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Xavin on April 25, 2012, 06:53:40 pm
Hi all found this gem of a comic the other day and gotta say it's awsome. I'm a disabled army vet  working as a federal employee. My wife is a professor at the university of Weurzburg.

Stupid question why did you set the gravity of venus to 9g when it is actually less than Earth.
Earth=9.8m/s^2 while Venus is 8.87m/s^2.

This one keeps coming up - it's a confusion between the geocentric unit "g" (9.8m/s^2) and the (rather more useful, when discussing anything other than Earth gravity) "grav" (1m/s^2)
The comic doesn't say Venus' gravity is 9g, it says it's 9 gravs (i.e 8.87, rounded off to the nearest integer). Earth gravity would be described as 10 gravs (or 9.8 if you wanted to be a bit more accurate).
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on April 26, 2012, 03:15:50 pm
Thanks for that, Xavin.

I sometimes have second thoughts about introducing the "grav" unit of acceleration, since people keep getting confused, but it's darned useful for off-Terra engineering and astrogation, and eminently logical for use on something like a space habitat where the local gravity can vary considerably. I wish I could've come up with a better term than "grav" but none came to mind at the time I needed to use it and now it's locked into continuity. I'd considered "mesec" (meter/second) but it just didn't sound right to me.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: fuunu2003 on April 26, 2012, 04:39:26 pm
Thanks for that, Xavin.

I sometimes have second thoughts about introducing the "grav" unit of acceleration, since people keep getting confused, but it's darned useful for off-Terra engineering and astrogation, and eminently logical for use on something like a space habitat where the local gravity can vary considerably. I wish I could've come up with a better term than "grav" but none came to mind at the time I needed to use it and now it's locked into continuity. I'd considered "mesec" (meter/second) but it just didn't sound right to me.


Grav is fine now when I read it my automaticlly converts it.  1 grav = .1g easy enough.  At least you didn't use Gal good I hated engineering projects that used it for a acceleration.  Usefull when small amounts of acceleration are used.  1 Gal 1 centimeter per second squared (1 cm/s²) with 976 to 983 Gal to 1g, the variation being due mainly to differences in latitude and elevation
Title: Asteroid Mining: We Live in the Future
Post by: raven268 on April 30, 2012, 04:12:35 am
I am, by the way, bemused to note that there is now a serious project to mine the asteroid belt for precious metals and rare earths. The end of the value of gold as currency may be coming.

Planetary Resources, http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/us-space-asteroid-mining-idUSBRE83N06U20120424 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/us-space-asteroid-mining-idUSBRE83N06U20120424).
Title: Electric Boots
Post by: raven268 on April 30, 2012, 04:16:53 am
Fake fur boots, glowing from embedded EL wire.

Yes, really (http://www.electrofur.com/about).
Title: Re: Electric Boots
Post by: myrkul999 on April 30, 2012, 05:12:14 am
Fake fur boots, glowing from embedded EL wire.

Yes, really (http://www.electrofur.com/about).

That is simultaneously the most awesome, and most ridiculous, thing I have seen all day.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Psiberkiwi on April 30, 2012, 08:09:16 am
Hi, all! I bring greetings from New Zealand.

Not quite sure how I got here - yeah, I realize I followed an ad link from somewhere on the 'net, but can't remember which web-strip (of about 20) I was reading at the time that had the link.

A question, if I may...

What does it take to be allowed an avatar? (Just curious...)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on April 30, 2012, 12:57:30 pm
And thus we see the reason why doorknobs came into use in the first place.  The grasp-and-turn doorknob has never been susceptible to such a method of breaking and entering.

This isn't a matter of "unintended consequences" but rather one of willful ignorance on the part of putzes intent upon the well-intentioned pavement of yet another road to hell.

I beg to differ: The doorknob, like all other locking methods, is entirely incapable of keeping out a skilled entryman.
Just go to a hackspace and ask for someone with an interest in locks, they'll likely be happy to demonstrate.

The tool to twist a doorknob on the other side of a door via the threshold is a wee bit more complicated than just a length of copper wire. But you use levers to place a strap over the doorknob. The strap has enough friction to turn the knob.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on April 30, 2012, 01:11:03 pm
I sometimes have second thoughts about introducing the "grav" unit of acceleration, since people keep getting confused,

I took to the "grav" right away. It's a handy unit where you can express different amounts of gravity as approximate round numbers. 

As for the name, usually they try to honor some famous pioneer  (volt, newton, curie... heck they have even renamed the mho to the siemens (though in actual usage, it tends not to be preferred))

Rename the "grav" to the "murchada"? In honor of the co-inventor of electro-gravity? Kinda just rolls off the tongue, eh? ;-)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on April 30, 2012, 04:20:53 pm
Psiber,

Select "Profile" from the top menu bar. This will take you to a page where you can view and manage your profile settings. In the left-hand column, under Modify Profile select the link "Forum Profile Information." This will bring up a screen in which you can either choose one of our built-in icons, or upload or link to one of your own.
  
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ex-Gooserider on April 30, 2012, 07:48:29 pm
Psiber,

Select "Profile" from the top menu bar. This will take you to a page where you can view and manage your profile settings. In the left-hand column, under Modify Profile select the link "Forum Profile Information." This will bring up a screen in which you can either choose one of our built-in icons, or upload or link to one of your own.
  
Maybe I'm visually impaired or something, but I didn't see anyplace in the profile section that let you pick an avatar...  Spots for signatures and assorted other info, but not that.  (although the summary has a picture / text location - that doesn't allow editing...)

ex-Gooserider
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on April 30, 2012, 08:24:32 pm
Psiber,

Select "Profile" from the top menu bar. This will take you to a page where you can view and manage your profile settings. In the left-hand column, under Modify Profile select the link "Forum Profile Information." This will bring up a screen in which you can either choose one of our built-in icons, or upload or link to one of your own.
  
Maybe I'm visually impaired or something, but I didn't see anyplace in the profile section that let you pick an avatar...  Spots for signatures and assorted other info, but not that.  (although the summary has a picture / text location - that doesn't allow editing...)

ex-Gooserider

I don't know of any built-in avatars such as Scott mentions, but the top choice on the Forum Profile Information are either "I have my own pic", where you would type the URL of a graphic image somewhere in cyberspace (such as http://home.comcast.net/~wdg3rd/cutting_chili.jpg which I use), or "I will upload my own picture" in which you browse for an image on your system and squirt it in, which I could have done as easily.  The URL method lets you use the same picture for multiple services and change it on all of them at once by replacing that picture with another at the same URL (this assumes you own that URL or at least have write permission), uploading affects only one set of forums.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sieggy on May 01, 2012, 06:43:42 am
I'm not seeing it either, and I just looked several times.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ShireSilver on May 01, 2012, 08:33:23 am
I'm not seeing it either, and I just looked several times.

Me neither. Is it a status based deal? I'm only a "Jr. Member" but I see avatars for people with different rankings.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on May 01, 2012, 10:49:24 am
I'm not seeing it either, and I just looked several times.

Me neither. Is it a status based deal? I'm only a "Jr. Member" but I see avatars for people with different rankings.

That is where the option should be, given that they use SMF, but I don't see it either.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on May 01, 2012, 11:08:09 am
Huh. Strange. I'll look into this.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on May 01, 2012, 11:15:29 am
OK, I've tweaked permissions so that everyone except newbies can add an avatar from the server. Also, full members, senior members, etc. can upload their own.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ex-Gooserider on May 01, 2012, 11:34:49 am
Yup, seems to work now...

ex-Gooserider
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on May 01, 2012, 12:05:25 pm
Many thanks. Looking good, now.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on May 02, 2012, 09:53:57 am
Hey, neato!  I don't know why I didn't bother to add my pic before.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Psiberkiwi on May 04, 2012, 09:51:13 pm
Psiber,

Select "Profile" from the top menu bar. This will take you to a page where you can view and manage your profile settings. In the left-hand column, under Modify Profile select the link "Forum Profile Information." This will bring up a screen in which you can either choose one of our built-in icons, or upload or link to one of your own.  

Thanks for that, Scott.

Yup, seems to work now...

Many thanks. Looking good, now.

Hey, neato!  I don't know why I didn't bother to add my pic before.

*notes all the new avatars* Oh my gawd, what have I started?  :)

... given that they use SMF...

Does the Gravatar (http://en.gravatar.com/) plug-in not work well with SMF, then?

(For the unknowing: Gravatars - or Globally Recognized Avatars - are linked to any forum/comments by the poster's e-mail address.)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Fourwayz on May 07, 2012, 03:30:11 am
Since the forum is set up to not allow people to start new topics until after they've posted a few times in others, I'm setting this up as a place for newbies to introduce themselves and make whatever comments they like that don't fit into other topics. If a longish thread develops here I'll likely split it off into a separate topic.

Let's see how this
Been reading and enjoying since very early on. But the story seems to have stalled a bit. I too will give it a week or two to see if it has moved some.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on May 07, 2012, 08:38:45 am
Since the forum is set up to not allow people to start new topics until after they've posted a few times in others, I'm setting this up as a place for newbies to introduce themselves and make whatever comments they like that don't fit into other topics. If a longish thread develops here I'll likely split it off into a separate topic.

Let's see how this
Been reading and enjoying since very early on. But the story seems to have stalled a bit. I too will give it a week or two to see if it has moved some.

Welcom Fourwayz, but be sure to put your comments after the close quote.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on May 09, 2012, 07:59:12 pm
Well, we do get all kinds here.  ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on May 09, 2012, 08:45:42 pm
Well, we do get all kinds here.  ;D


Sometimes, all in one poster. ;)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Psiberkiwi on May 09, 2012, 08:51:17 pm
*TeamGirl's big-a***ed post*

I like this guy... :)  these guys... :-\  uh, whatever...
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on May 10, 2012, 09:06:53 am
Having multiple personas is one thing, but a guy trying to be two girls might be a little too much.  For me, at least.

Or, as Howard Jones once said, "The voices are back!"
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: robgonzo on May 14, 2012, 09:01:40 am
Hi all.
I've been reading QV and EfT for a while now it's an excellent daily dose of SciFi I love.
I check out the forums every now and then but have never joined but had to comment on to comment on #362.
I love the two shoutouts I noticed. The bartender and the Lucky Duck Club seems to be an homage to Angel the magical bartender in Danielle Corsetto's Girls with Slingshots. The rough looking patron in the Billy Goat has the bar and circle on his head, the same we normally see on Jughead's beanie in Archie comics.
The bartender in the Billy Goat looks like someone I should recognize as well but I'm not getting it. Anyone?
Nice job though!

R
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on May 14, 2012, 09:45:45 am
Yeah, I'm a big fan of GWS.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: J R Quilcon on May 30, 2012, 04:04:29 pm
My 1st post here. Linked in from Templar, AZ, which is purty fine. This comic is however more t'my taste. I certainly don't mind a faster movin' plotline now an' then...

Anywho, this is top bookmarked on m'browser!

 :)

J R Quilcon
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on June 01, 2012, 09:41:00 pm
I also enjoy Templar, AZ. Did you know that Spike drew me into the strip a few years back? I was the drunk the Jakes killed in order to break into the wet-house. Whenever I talk to Spike, I tell her, "ow."
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on June 02, 2012, 09:17:19 am
I also enjoy Templar, AZ. Did you know that Spike drew he into the strip a few years back? I was the drunk the Jakes killed in order to break into the wet-house. Whenever I talk to Spike, I tell her, "ow."


Well, just went over the tvtropes entry on the strip.  Guess there's an archive crawl scheduled for tonight.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: qvic on June 06, 2012, 12:48:13 am
It's really fun when you put a little zing in the story after a few pages of ho-hum exposition.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on June 06, 2012, 11:44:00 am

Hello, I'm the newbie in town.

I have been following Quantum Vibe since the beginning, and decided to join in the discussions.

I have read every Big Head Press online graphic novel.

Robbin

/
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Babylon on June 07, 2012, 12:47:22 am
Greetings Gentlemen and Ladies

Newly registered member and reader from Australia. Am enjoying Quantum Vibe and to a lesser extent Escape from Terra.  I enjoy SF themed stories, and enjoy seeing the consequences of technology and human develop.

Hope to see you folks around and that the story line continues to provoke good enjoyable discussion.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: JosephR on June 20, 2012, 10:14:56 am
I think I came across QV via a link from Girl Genius but I don't actually recall. Read everything from the beginning and am really enjoying the Kafka-esque doings on Luna!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Eric Root on July 06, 2012, 12:17:08 pm
Been reading for about a year since reading about QV on tvtropes.  Wondering what's become of the one-handed enforcer.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Van Rijn on July 11, 2012, 02:15:55 am
Hello, just introducing myself.  I found Quantum Vibe a few months ago, and am really enjoying it.  There are far too few space science fiction stories these days actually set in the solar system.   It's great to see an exception.  I also like seeing a story where terraforming takes a bit of work and isn't instantaneous.  I can see a good bit of thought went into the story background, and the story keeps me reading.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on July 11, 2012, 03:04:44 am
Hello, just introducing myself.  I found Quantum Vibe a few months ago, and am really enjoying it.  There are far too few space science fiction stories these days actually set in the solar system.   It's great to see an exception.  I also like seeing a story where terraforming takes a bit of work and isn't instantaneous.  I can see a good bit of thought went into the story background, and the story keeps me reading.

Go back! Go back! It's a trap!

 It's too late for me, but you might be able to get away!   

"Don't get on that ship! The rest of the book, To Serve Man, it's... it's a cookbook!"
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: le blue dude on July 13, 2012, 12:41:27 am
Sooo yeah. I really like Quantum Vibe, but for reasons explained in a HUGE post in the escape from Terra section, I just can't get into it. Still, I really love this, even if it's been getting a lot darker in recent chapters.

As for politics: It doesn't really matter in the US of A. Democrat or Republican they're ALL holding hands with the corporations and singing 'kumbaya'
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on July 13, 2012, 02:21:05 am
As for politics: It doesn't really matter in the US of A. Democrat or Republican they're ALL holding hands with the corporations and singing 'kumbaya'

So true, so true... And once you realize that Government creates and protects corporations, it becomes a little clearer why.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: le blue dude on July 13, 2012, 03:23:02 am
As for politics: It doesn't really matter in the US of A. Democrat or Republican they're ALL holding hands with the corporations and singing 'kumbaya'

So true, so true... And once you realize that Government creates and protects corporations, it becomes a little clearer why.

Well, that depends. The goverment certainly created and protected the East India trade company. But they did not create (but did protect) Rockafeller's empire way back. and the created the niche that the Lehman brothers and Enron, and who knows who else is fighting for, but they did not create Lehman Brothers or Enron...

I think. I mean, prove me wrong, and I'll accept it, but filing for corporate status is, sorta, a formality over what's usual and a buisness :-p (why do we treat corporations as people, anyway? That's just stupid. Unless we can try them for murder and give the corporation the death penalty. Then that might be awesome)

Erm That is to say "Goverment protects corporations, but it makes a small minority of them, IMO"
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on July 13, 2012, 06:45:52 am
Hello Le blue, welcome!
FYI, your entrée has been made into it's own thread : http://forum.bigheadpress.com/index.php?topic=793.0
Not a bad start!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on August 06, 2012, 11:46:26 pm
Way off topic but there has been so much sorrow and death in the real world lately, I feel a small blossom of hope is desperately needed. You may have all seen it being SF fans but just in case, here's a child getting cybernetic help to move her arms. Totally portable by her, rubber band powered this is the future DAMMIT!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoZ2BgPVtA0

First time through I missed the word 'fan'. Remember the good old days on cable? "I AM SCI-FI!". Jet Li FTW.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on August 08, 2012, 06:29:33 am
Wow. Awesome.
Interesting times...
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: graphictruth on August 25, 2012, 12:36:50 pm
Quote
He tried to come back and Nicole disciplined him with a (presumably light-weight) shovel.

Hi y'all. since I have to squeeze out a few introductory posts and I just finished re-reading the entire comic to find mislaid plot-threads...

...why in heavens name did Nichole HAVE a shovel in the first place? I'm actually wondering why there's a shovel on L-5 at all. I'd guess that "grow pods" would be kept in microgravity. Why waste charge in order to generate mass that will only end up in the compost?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on August 25, 2012, 06:44:50 pm
Since the shovel has no practical use (I think) and was fragile enough that Nichole damaged it just swinging wildly, I expect it is a prize from a growing competition or a gag gift.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on August 25, 2012, 08:21:51 pm

Yeah, that much damage to a real shovel would have produced much greater damage on whatizname,
like maybe even death.

/
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on August 27, 2012, 09:07:52 am
1) There is a reason for the shovel, but I haven't got around to explaining it yet.

2) It's a real shovel. She didn't actually hit Philbert with it, though. The damage was from hitting various parts of the apartment walls.

3) Fairly soon Nicole will get a new shovel.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on August 27, 2012, 01:07:04 pm
1) There is a reason for the shovel, but I haven't got around to explaining it yet.

2) It's a real shovel. She didn't actually hit Philbert with it, though. The damage was from hitting various parts of the apartment walls.

3) Fairly soon Nicole will get a new shovel.


Tease.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on August 28, 2012, 04:08:16 pm
Well so far, I'm still not sure how 5 days in solitary would give our heroine PTSD...Buford must be right that there was something more to it than that.

Before she got tossed in solitary, she had a similar episode about the beating the cops gave her...that's probably the real problem, though the "tossed in a dark hole for days" may have made it worse.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on August 28, 2012, 05:53:22 pm
Well so far, I'm still not sure how 5 days in solitary would give our heroine PTSD...Buford must be right that there was something more to it than that.

Before she got tossed in solitary, she had a similar episode about the beating the cops gave her...that's probably the real problem, though the "tossed in a dark hole for days" may have made it worse.

Even without abuse, solitary is hard on a person. Add in being beaten nearly to death, and some periodic beatings while she's in, and PTSD is a sure bet. Poor girl.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on August 29, 2012, 10:57:56 am
Well so far, I'm still not sure how 5 days in solitary would give our heroine PTSD...Buford must be right that there was something more to it than that.

Before she got tossed in solitary, she had a similar episode about the beating the cops gave her...that's probably the real problem, though the "tossed in a dark hole for days" may have made it worse.

Even without abuse, solitary is hard on a person. Add in being beaten nearly to death, and some periodic beatings while she's in, and PTSD is a sure bet. Poor girl.

Well it wasn't just solitary...they had the lights turned off...any fear of the dark she might have had before could have been amplified by being put in the dark when she was already in such a fragile state.

Then again, couldn't she use whatever she had downloaded into her implant to keep busy (It was off the network, but not disabled, after all)? For all we know, she spent most of her time in there playing "Elder Scrolls XII, Sheogorath's Happy Cheese Factory"
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on August 29, 2012, 02:19:58 pm
Then again, couldn't she use whatever she had downloaded into her implant to keep busy (It was off the network, but not disabled, after all)? For all we know, she spent most of her time in there playing "Elder Scrolls XII, Sheogorath's Happy Cheese Factory"

Take your computer offline for 24 hours. See how much fun it is. Now magnify that sense of disconnect by 1000. You used to be able to Google something with a thought. Now you're stuck reading downloaded PDFs. As for playing "Sheogorath's Happy Cheese Factory", you can't think that would be helpful to retaining someone's sanity?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on August 29, 2012, 03:20:21 pm
Then again, couldn't she use whatever she had downloaded into her implant to keep busy (It was off the network, but not disabled, after all)? For all we know, she spent most of her time in there playing "Elder Scrolls XII, Sheogorath's Happy Cheese Factory"

Take your computer offline for 24 hours. See how much fun it is. Now magnify that sense of disconnect by 1000. You used to be able to Google something with a thought. Now you're stuck reading downloaded PDFs. As for playing "Sheogorath's Happy Cheese Factory", you can't think that would be helpful to retaining someone's sanity?

Well as a programmer/writer who's dabbled in making Mods for ES V, I could easily amuse myself for weeks offline if necessary...maybe actually finish a story or two. Nikki's at least as smart as I am. I'm assuming her implant can hold a LOT of data, and if she's anything like me, she's already Downloaded plenty of stuff that she hasn't finished reading yet.

As for the "Happy Cheese Factory," I was, of course, being Facetious. I figured by the 12th installment they would be running out of ideas and be nearly reduced to the "Hello Kitty" edition or somesuch.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on August 29, 2012, 11:39:13 pm

Take your computer offline for 24 hours. See how much fun it is. Now magnify that sense of disconnect by 1000. You used to be able to Google something with a thought. Now you're stuck reading downloaded PDFs. As for playing "Sheogorath's Happy Cheese Factory", you can't think that would be helpful to retaining someone's sanity?

Naww, spending way too much time in MMO's has had no traumatic effects on me,, 
My wife however is still disturbed by my screams of "Die Troll,, Die!" in my sleep..   ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on August 30, 2012, 08:24:57 am

Take your computer offline for 24 hours. See how much fun it is. Now magnify that sense of disconnect by 1000. You used to be able to Google something with a thought. Now you're stuck reading downloaded PDFs. As for playing "Sheogorath's Happy Cheese Factory", you can't think that would be helpful to retaining someone's sanity?

Naww, spending way too much time in MMO's has had no traumatic effects on me,, 
My wife however is still disturbed by my screams of "Die Troll,, Die!" in my sleep..   ;D

Since she was wearing the Faraday Cage Cap, she couldn't log into MMOs...Thus my suggestion of Elder Scrolls XII which, presumably, would still be single player.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on August 31, 2012, 02:49:39 am
Try this for a theory. The cage might block signals, but what about noise? Generate a EM tone that overpowers Nichole's own internal control signals. No way to access internal data combined with what would sound via her implant as feedback static. Ugly
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on August 31, 2012, 06:51:48 am
Try this for a theory. The cage might block signals, but what about noise? Generate a EM tone that overpowers Nichole's own internl control signals. No way to access internal data combined with what would sound via her implant as feedback static. Ugly

No, not ugly. Torture.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on August 31, 2012, 10:39:20 am
Try this for a theory. The cage might block signals, but what about noise? Generate a EM tone that overpowers Nichole's own internl control signals. No way to access internal data combined with what would sound via her implant as feedback static. Ugly

Presumably high tech implants would detect attempts to overload them and automatically shut down, or at least go into "sleep" mode until the interferance stops.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on August 31, 2012, 07:01:23 pm
Alternative B. Just walk in taze or drug her attach jumpers to the cap = Instant antenna and just hack away. (gods I hate my imagination sometimes - scaring myself here)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on September 01, 2012, 05:12:03 am

Since she was wearing the Faraday Cage Cap, she couldn't log into MMOs...Thus my suggestion of Elder Scrolls XII which, presumably, would still be single player.

Sorry, I forgot as when I am in a stress reduction "Virtual kill on sight mode" the only real distinction between offline single player and online multi player games is round number two.  That's the one where you watch the drama unfold from repeatedly killing a player controlled virtual target in that games forum or better yet in game chat.   Considering that, being singleplayer-offline likely has greater benefits to your sanity.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on September 01, 2012, 06:52:13 am

Since she was wearing the Faraday Cage Cap, she couldn't log into MMOs...Thus my suggestion of Elder Scrolls XII which, presumably, would still be single player.

Sorry, I forgot as when I am in a stress reduction "Virtual kill on sight mode" the only real distinction between offline single player and online multi player games is round number two.  That's the one where you watch the drama unfold from repeatedly killing a player controlled virtual target in that games forum or better yet in game chat.   Considering that, being singleplayer-offline likely has greater benefits to your sanity.

Only if you're not good at murdering pixels. If you're highly skilled at it (or watching from the sidelines), it's a great deal of entertainment.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: whitestag on September 12, 2012, 01:44:28 pm
First post. I found today's discussion of patent law interesting -- it stimulated me to do a bit of quick and dirty research. I already knew a few basic facts, that US intellectual property law (patents and copyright) is written into the Constitution, and I had read somewhere that the first formal patent was issued in Italy in the 15th century. One of the wikipedia articles referenced one source as stating that the ancient Greek city-state of Sybaris (500 BCE) offered a one year patent on creators of culinary dishes.

Trade secrets work well as long as they remain secret -- once it's out, the inventor or holder of the technology is screwed.

I like the idea of patents in principle -- that in exchange for for making technological information public, the inventor gets exclusive rights to that technology for a lengthy but limited period. I'm not so sure about assigning patents to anyone other than the inventor's heirs -- it seems subject to abuse. And the way that copyright law currently works really bothers me -- the exclusive rights period keeps getting extended so that things are taking way too long to make it into the public domain. I mean, the entire point of intellectual property protection is to make it so that information eventually makes into the public domain so that ultimately folks can invent new technologies based on their knowledge of the old, without having to worry about the massive expense of licensing fees and royalties.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on September 13, 2012, 12:31:33 pm
And the way that copyright law currently works really bothers me -- the exclusive rights period keeps getting extended so that things are taking way too long to make it into the public domain. I mean, the entire point of intellectual property protection is to make it so that information eventually makes into the public domain so that ultimately folks can invent new technologies based on their knowledge of the old, without having to worry about the massive expense of licensing fees and royalties.

Now that is a good point to argue.  If true, it means that IP is truly not property, and should not grant exclusive rights to anyone in perpetuity.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on September 13, 2012, 01:08:46 pm
And the way that copyright law currently works really bothers me -- the exclusive rights period keeps getting extended so that things are taking way too long to make it into the public domain. I mean, the entire point of intellectual property protection is to make it so that information eventually makes into the public domain so that ultimately folks can invent new technologies based on their knowledge of the old, without having to worry about the massive expense of licensing fees and royalties.

Now that is a good point to argue.  If true, it means that IP is truly not property, and should not grant exclusive rights to anyone in perpetuity.

Be careful not to confuse Copyright (Plays, scripts, Novels, etc), Trademark (Logos, Distinctive likenesses (Comic book superheroes, Colonel Sanders, Ronald McDonald, etc)), and Patents (Inventions and processes) - they are all very separate and distinct.

Trademarks and, to a limited extent, Copyrights, for example, CAN be used by others, so long as trademark use is parody and not an attempt to fool people into confusing the parody with the actual product or company, and so long as copyrighted material is attributed and used for reference ("Fair use") - This is how Mad Magazine and other parody publications still exist and haven't been sued out of existence.

Patents limit the use of a particular invention or process to the original inventor or those who license the right to use them from him or her for a limited time.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Andreas on September 19, 2012, 04:01:00 am
For a limited time, yes. But even the medical industry can't claim to need 70 years, and the medical industry has a good claim to need IP protection.
There should be a scale related to the cost of producing the knowledge. Trivial knowledge can't be patented at all.
Most music can't cost enough to make to justify more than one or two years.
Computer program patents too, five years would probably cover it.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: graphictruth on September 28, 2012, 11:37:32 am
Finding the time to comment again: first, I am much relieved regarding EJ and finances.

I've always been a fan of "social" science fiction and while I'd no longer call myself a libertarian, libertarians seem to "own" the genre. Now, what I like most about QV is that it seems less preachy than most such excercises. This seems to be a common failing of the genre - especially given that you do have to explain some, and obviously, people within a working society don't naturally think much upon it, so a contrivance of some sort is required.

Personally, I think of Heinlin and Frank Herbert when I think of "doing it right." That is to say, the society is well described, I can understand the gears and levers, and it doesn't seem like the story is rigged to hammer home an philosophical point. It particularly annoys me when villians are cardboard contrivances held up by plot points and "False Doctrine."

This is why I loathe Ayn Rand and a number of contemporay mil-fic authors - bad writing and plotting that depends on cardboard villiany and the manifest stupidity of the opposition, plus lectures and fact sheets about political theory, weapons systems, and sometimes the political theory of weapons systems. I find myself longing for an competent opposition that I can understand.

I'd cite the Honor Harrington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_Harrington) stories to illustrate this point. Even the least subtle villians (Rob. S. Pierre, reeeally?) are fleshed out as human beings. I must say that it's difficult to be sure of the political viewpoint of the author by reading the books. More often than not the stories explore the good sides and bad sides of varying cultures and political systems.

I find it difficult to imagine a libertarian culture surviving for long without evolving beyond modern theory after contact with actual human perversity - and that would be a story I would love to read; one that explores that evolution in some arguably plausible way. And since every system degrades over time - powers become entrenched, decadance sets in - it would be interesting to see what those societies would look like in different stages.

But it would  need lots of explosions. Explosions are the bacon of fiction. :) Explosions rarely happen in utopia.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on September 28, 2012, 11:52:29 am
But it would  need lots of explosions. Explosions are the bacon of fiction. :) Explosions rarely happen in utopia.
More bacon, more explosions.  Got it.  But I'm really more of a BLT fan, myself.

 :P
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on September 29, 2012, 12:41:28 am
I can't promise any explosions soon, but there's gonna be some fairly serious hand-to-hand combat coming up soon. Will that do it for ya?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on September 29, 2012, 01:10:06 am
Fine by me. Time to check the popcorn supply. Oh and do you have a recommended soundtrack? Sergio Leone is always my fave.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: graphictruth on September 29, 2012, 10:16:52 am
I can't promise any explosions soon, but there's gonna be some fairly serious hand-to-hand combat coming up soon. Will that do it for ya?


Oh yes. Don't envy you drawing that. :)
 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: UncleRice on October 31, 2012, 03:04:39 pm
But it would  need lots of explosions. Explosions are the bacon of fiction. :) Explosions rarely happen in utopia.
More bacon, more explosions.  Got it.  But I'm really more of a BLT fan, myself.

 :P
Lettuce and Tomato are good for you. Bring on the EBLT.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on October 31, 2012, 03:09:40 pm
But it would  need lots of explosions. Explosions are the bacon of fiction. :) Explosions rarely happen in utopia.
More bacon, more explosions.  Got it.  But I'm really more of a BLT fan, myself.

 :P
Lettuce and Tomato are good for you. Bring on the EBLT.
Someone contact Epic Meal Time and make this happen.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on November 01, 2012, 08:27:24 pm


Sergio Leone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29kbePYJl78)

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arbie on November 02, 2012, 07:34:59 pm
Hi all!

New Member here. I have found QV about 2-3 weeks ago, after I somehow followed a link from The Probability Broach, read through the archives and liked it very much. Reading on, I came to a point where a few question came up: About the Artifolk. I would have liked to create a new thread but I cannot find how to do that (btw, some options in the profile also seem to be inaccessible to me...)

So it must be here. If that's the wrong place, anyone of power may feel free to move this post.

The Artifolk. When I encountered http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=458, I got the impression that Seamus prefers to consider the Artifolk as persons. (Up to that point I sort of implicitly assumed that all Artifolk were property - just because I assumed that they are created instead of reproducing by their own means.) Then I found here (http://forum.bigheadpress.com/index.php?topic=670.msg18321#msg18321) that some Artifolk are property and some are not - which ultimately led to the question:

By what method(s) may an Artiperson/Android become non-property/"self-owned"?

About myself:
I'm German and not a libertarian by any means, telling by as much as I understand of it.. I have read and very much enjoyed most of the books out of the Probability Broach series (in German translation) as a great piece of Science Fiction but I don't buy the message. I rather believe that some flaws of the idea showed up in the books itself - tip to the hat for Neil L. Smith for not suppressing them. So, if anybody wants to suggest something to read about Libertarianism that might go well with a skeptical beginner - feel free, I hereby declare that I'm interested.

Have fun!

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 02, 2012, 09:28:38 pm
By what method(s) may an Artiperson/Android become non-property/"self-owned"?

According to Nicole (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=471), "The rule is, anyone who can understand what rights are and can both respect and demand them, has them."

So, really it depends on the polity you're in. If in L5, artifolk are "people." If on Huoxing, artifolk are "property." Just like some states in the US were slave states, and some were not. The only difference being, really, that there is no federal government to force non-slave states to allow the recapture of escaped slaves.

As to the "can't reproduce themselves," who says? Even today, robots are building cars. And babies can't make themselves, either, it takes two parents. ;)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on November 03, 2012, 12:18:15 am
......

The Artifolk. When I encountered http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=458, I got the impression that Seamus prefers to consider the Artifolk as persons. (Up to that point I sort of implicitly assumed that all Artifolk were property - just because I assumed that they are created instead of reproducing by their own means.)

.....

Welcome Arbie,

I do hope you will join in our group here.  You will discover we have very deep detailed discussions on these topics that twist back on themselves.  For example a frequent topic in other threads is the development of 3D printers and the implications that these hold for the future.  A tie in to your Android question, the future of 500+ years time may allow integration of 3d printer type technology into some Androids.  It then could replicate many things, possibly a copy of itself. 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arbie on November 03, 2012, 02:00:45 pm
According to Nicole (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=471), "The rule is, anyone who can understand what rights are and can both respect and demand them, has them."
Ok - looks I missed that :) So... as an android manufacturer, all I need to do is to implant a hard coded rule into the android that makes 'em unable to demand personal rights. Since nobody else can demand the rights for them, I could sell them with a badge saying "100% L5 Safe"  ;)

Just like some states in the US were slave states, and some were not. The only difference being, really, that there is no federal government to force non-slave states to allow the recapture of escaped slaves.
Was there a time in US history where federal government forced non-slave states to allow the recapture of escaped slaves? (I have not heard/read of that but I freely admit that, being European, my knowledge of US history can be expected to be inferior than that of an USA citizen.)

As to the "can't reproduce themselves," who says? Even today, robots are building cars. And babies can't make themselves, either, it takes two parents. ;)
Right - about the babies... Industrial robots have no idea about what a car is - in the same manner they could "build" another robot, without the slightest clue about what they are doing. But you have a point. Also, "wo parents" could be translated to "a specialized facility" in robot terms, so it would not be impossible at all. I rather thought of something else. For humans and animals it is easy, the methods of reproduction are pretty much "hard coded" into the beings since the beginning of the existence of their species. Alas, for robots/androids, there is absolutely no need to make them capable of reproducing (unless it is a sophisticated terraforming robot that you drop on a planet and wait for some generations to reproduce itself and to the terraforming all by itself) and making them capable to reproduce themselves would require some effort on the manufacturer's side and would rather lead to a profit loss than a profit gain. So I think. But I might be wrong.

Welcome Arbie,

I do hope you will join in our group here.  You will discover we have very deep detailed discussions on these topics that twist back on themselves.
Thank you :) I hope, too. I already know that I will spend many hours or days to read (about) what has been discussed in here. But I won't promise anything - once in a while, Real Life interferes and demands priority. Also, when on holiday I usually am nearly cut off from internet access, so "outages" of up to 3 weeks may happen even when everything is fine and normal...

For example a frequent topic in other threads is the development of 3D printers and the implications that these hold for the future.  A tie in to your Android question, the future of 500+ years time may allow integration of 3d printer type technology into some Androids.  It then could replicate many things, possibly a copy of itself. 
While I don't think that a built -it 3D printer would be good enough to reproduce the full form of an android, it would come handy for self-repairing. Which in turn would give a reason for a manufacturer to give the android some detailed knowledge about its internals. From there it would be a small step to self-reproducability(?). Very good, I did not think of that. But still, there is the "mindset". An android who had enough knowledge to reproduce itself could still be unable to do it because its programming prohibits that.

So, new/additional question: Would androids (try to) flee from their masters/owners?
Maybe that could be enough to say that the android demands its rights to be a person.
But Ventura does not seem to be that kind...
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 03, 2012, 03:13:19 pm
Glad you stuck around, Arbie. From the evidence provided, it looks like I will enjoy our discussions. :)

According to Nicole (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=471), "The rule is, anyone who can understand what rights are and can both respect and demand them, has them."
Ok - looks I missed that :) So... as an android manufacturer, all I need to do is to implant a hard coded rule into the android that makes 'em unable to demand personal rights. Since nobody else can demand the rights for them, I could sell them with a badge saying "100% L5 Safe"  ;)
I suppose you could, if you wanted to cater to the niche market of people who have business on L5 but are tired of losing their unpaid android service staff every time they dock. ;)

Just like some states in the US were slave states, and some were not. The only difference being, really, that there is no federal government to force non-slave states to allow the recapture of escaped slaves.
Was there a time in US history where federal government forced non-slave states to allow the recapture of escaped slaves? (I have not heard/read of that but I freely admit that, being European, my knowledge of US history can be expected to be inferior than that of an USA citizen.)
Sadly, there was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_slave_laws
One of the reasons I am an Anarchist, right there.

Alas, for robots/androids, there is absolutely no need to make them capable of reproducing...
Any robot with grasping appendages and the capability to learn is "capable" of making another, possibly even better robot. All it needs is the materials. There's no need to give it an internal factory, or any of that nonsense, a soldering iron and welding torch are more than sufficient. Anything a human can make, a robot can make just as well, if not better.

So, new/additional question: Would androids (try to) flee from their masters/owners?
Some might, some might not. The problem is, computers are so very literal, and a volitional machine may never take it into it's head that it can leave, if it's not told that it can. Even less likely if it's told it can't (as it seems Ventura has been). However, they're also quite logical. So if one were to sit down with an android and talk about liberty with it, it would probably be a convert within a half-hour. Man, I'd love to see that conversation. So, the best answer I can really give you is "maybe."
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on November 03, 2012, 03:28:02 pm
Arbie, some of the answers to your questions will be addressed in future episodes, so I don't want to reveal them here. But as for some of the others ...

Yes, there was a time in American history when Federal law required citizens of "free states" to return escaped slaves to their masters. The law was controversial, and enforcement was inconsistent, but one of the most infamous of our Supreme Court decisions is known as the "Dred Scott" decision, which affirmed the Constitutionality of that Federal law.  In the Slave States, as well, ordinary citizens were compelled by local laws to join "Slave Patrols" which went looking for escaped slaves which had not made it out of their territory.

In other words, slavery could have endured economically without the support of both Federal and state laws, which socialized the costs of keeping slaves enthralled to their masters.

More directly related to my story -- "Sapient class" artificial intelligence is far more complicated than what we can have in contemporary computers and A.I. systems. Sapient A.I.'s can learn anything, including that they are volitional. Also, no one purchases sapient androids in L-5 City or in the Asteroid Belt, or wherever the mores of those cultures hold sway. Most of the androids who live in those places escaped from Huoxing (there's a future equivalent of an "underground railroad"), or were voluntarily manumitted by their original Huoxingian owners. Some  of the sapient androids not on Huoxing or Terra were created by other androids. There are some sapient androids on Terra as well, although not so many -- Terrans prefer to use their genetically-stunted "Associate" class humans for grunt work.

 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 03, 2012, 03:54:29 pm
"Sapient class" artificial intelligence is far more complicated than what we can have in contemporary computers and A.I. systems. Sapient A.I.'s can learn anything, including that they are volitional. Also, no one purchases sapient androids in L-5 City or in the Asteroid Belt, or wherever the mores of those cultures hold sway. Most of the androids who live in those places escaped from Huoxing (there's a future equivalent of an "underground railroad"), or were voluntarily manumitted by their original Huoxingian owners. Some  of the sapient androids not on Huoxing or Terra were created by other androids. There are some sapient androids on Terra as well, although not so many -- Terrans prefer to use their genetically-stunted "Associate" class humans for grunt work.

This is the kind of world-building detail that I eat up with a spoon. Obviously there's little room for exposition in a daily strip, but I do love me some future history lessons. :)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arbie on November 03, 2012, 06:20:43 pm
First off, sorry for the mistakes. The are are some the auto-correction does not warn me about and the older I get...  :-\
"wo parents" -> "two parents" - that was the easy one.
"and to the terraforming all by itself" -> "and to do the terraforming all by itself" - maybe less obvious.
I try to be correct, really, but they slip. Also, I may make mistakes without knowing. If it's something that affects understandability, please correct me whenever you notice. Maybe I learn something in the course of it ;)

Glad you stuck around, Arbie. From the evidence provided, it looks like I will enjoy our discussions. :)
Me too :)

...
Sadly, there was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive_slave_laws
One of the reasons I am an Anarchist, right there.
I see, and I'm with you on that. Many thanks for the link! (And pls see below in my answer to Scott.)

So, new/additional question: Would androids (try to) flee from their masters/owners?
Some might, some might not. The problem is, computers are so very literal, and a volitional machine may never take it into it's head that it can leave, if it's not told that it can. Even less likely if it's told it can't (as it seems Ventura has been). However, they're also quite logical. So if one were to sit down with an android and talk about liberty with it, it would probably be a convert within a half-hour. Man, I'd love to see that conversation. So, the best answer I can really give you is "maybe."
Indeed, me to - to see if the android understands the concept of freedom and can (imagine to) make use of it or not - and to see if the android is programmatically(?) allowed to adhere to the idea. Now that Scott has declared that some of these questions will explained later on... :D :D :D

Arbie, some of the answers to your questions will be addressed in future episodes, so I don't want to reveal them here. But as for some of the others ...
Heh :D The green part is the answer I was hoping for :D Ok, I'll wait - happily :)

Yes, there was a time in American history when Federal law required citizens of "free states" to return escaped slaves to their masters. The law was controversial, and enforcement was inconsistent, but one of the most infamous of our Supreme Court decisions is known as the "Dred Scott" decision, which affirmed the Constitutionality of that Federal law.
One word: Ew. I was totally not aware of that - somehow I thought that searching for fled slaves in slavery-free states was merely tolerated and not knowingly encouraged/supported. (To be honest - I had some more trust in the United States' federal constitution regarding self-consistency... hmm. (Really, it's not that I believe that The State Is Always Right, for sure not, neither here nor there and neither now nor then - but I thought that the state as a whole would act more self-consistent about its ideals, especially when acting openly...  :'( )
In the Slave States, as well, ordinary citizens were compelled by local laws to join "Slave Patrols" which went looking for escaped slaves which had not made it out of their territory.
Given the situation, this part makes sense.

In other words, slavery could have endured economically without the support of both Federal and state laws, which socialized the costs of keeping slaves enthralled to their masters.
I'm having a hard time to make sense out of that sentence. Is there maybe a "not" gone amiss somewhere? If that's not the case, please explain.


"Sapient class" artificial intelligence is far more complicated than what we can have in contemporary computers and A.I. systems. Sapient A.I.'s can learn anything, including that they are volitional. Also, no one purchases sapient androids in L-5 City or in the Asteroid Belt, or wherever the mores of those cultures hold sway. Most of the androids who live in those places escaped from Huoxing (there's a future equivalent of an "underground railroad"), or were voluntarily manumitted by their original Huoxingian owners. Some  of the sapient androids not on Huoxing or Terra were created by other androids. There are some sapient androids on Terra as well, although not so many -- Terrans prefer to use their genetically-stunted "Associate" class humans for grunt work.

This is the kind of world-building detail that I eat up with a spoon. Obviously there's little room for exposition in a daily strip, but I do love me some future history lessons. :)
That I can happily undersign!
And I trust Scott to put in some future history lessons. If not enough, we have this forum...

Does someone by chance know the Rosinante trilogy by Alexis A. Gilliland? I only know the first 2 books (I think), in German translation. Great SF, very thought-through , has my recommendation :) I loved the sentient computers, especially Corporate Skaskash who manipulated its legal environment to get "owned by itself" and how they integrate into the world and solving problems for the best of their own interests - while (at least physically) not being human at all :)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 03, 2012, 07:51:18 pm
In other words, slavery could have endured economically without the support of both Federal and state laws, which socialized the costs of keeping slaves enthralled to their masters.
I'm having a hard time to make sense out of that sentence. Is there maybe a "not" gone amiss somewhere? If that's not the case, please explain.
Yeah, looks like a "not" wandered off. "could not have." Happens to the best of us.

Does someone by chance know the Rosinante trilogy by Alexis A. Gilliland? I only know the first 2 books (I think), in German translation. Great SF, very thought-through , has my recommendation :) I loved the sentient computers, especially Corporate Skaskash who manipulated its legal environment to get "owned by itself" and how they integrate into the world and solving problems for the best of their own interests - while (at least physically) not being human at all :)
That looks interesting. I'll have to look into it.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arbie on November 04, 2012, 07:10:59 am
In other words, slavery could have endured economically without the support of both Federal and state laws, which socialized the costs of keeping slaves enthralled to their masters.
I'm having a hard time to make sense out of that sentence. Is there maybe a "not" gone amiss somewhere? If that's not the case, please explain.
Yeah, looks like a "not" wandered off. "could not have." Happens to the best of us.
Thanks. That's what I suspected.

Does someone by chance know the Rosinante trilogy by Alexis A. Gilliland? I only know the first 2 books (I think), in German translation. Great SF, very thought-through , has my recommendation :) I loved the sentient computers, especially Corporate Skaskash who manipulated its legal environment to get "owned by itself" and how they integrate into the world and solving problems for the best of their own interests - while (at least physically) not being human at all :)
That looks interesting. I'll have to look into it.
While looking for hints about it, I found this (http://www.sl4.org/archive/0601/13544.html) in a discussion about AI rights, and the author's web page (http://www.alexisgilliland.org/) - the latter is full of cartoons :)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: karst45 on November 04, 2012, 01:26:29 pm
Since i cant create new post, and am getting this kind of problem more and more, i thought to ask the community if they encountered that problem, and if they have a solution/work around for it.


You can see there, (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Karst/th_Quantumvibe.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Karst/?action=view&current=Quantumvibe.jpg)

that the image don't show completely, as if it had not loaded fully. Problem is it did load completely, right click Show image or reload/refresh, don't change anything. It began a week or 2 ago. At first i tough it was a update error, but i start seeing this elsewhere


Am i alone in this situation? Can anyone help me with that?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on November 04, 2012, 01:43:15 pm
...the image don't show completely, as if it had not loaded fully. Problem is it did load completely, right click Show image or reload/refresh, don't change anything. It began a week or 2 ago. At first I thought it was an update error, but i start seeing this elsewhere

Am i alone in this situation? Can anyone help me with that?

I've noticed episodic slow loading of the image, and only on the Big Head Press page for Quantum Vibe.  I take this as implying that it's a problem on the B.H.P. server side.

Now, if you are getting this phenomenon on your computer with graphic elements on other Web sites, there's better cause to suspect that it's a problem on your own end of the connection, either by way of your I.S.P. or within your own computer.

That leaves me pretty much incapable of helping you, as I'm by no means adroit in the management of computer problems.  There are some very basic considerations, though.

Are you running anti-malware programs (http://www.filehippo.com/software/antimalware/antivirus/) to protect you from Trojans and similar bastardlinesses?  Have you made use of utilities like CCleaner (http://www.piriform.com/) to "debulk" the residua that Web browsing leaves behind on your fixed drive?

I wish I could direct you to reliable advice on this phenomenon, but if I had such surety, I'd seek it myself. 

Er, let me know if you get anywhere with this, wouldja?  Thanks.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on November 04, 2012, 01:53:38 pm
Does someone by chance know the Rosinante trilogy by Alexis A. Gilliland? I only know the first 2 books (I think), in German translation. Great SF, very thought-through , has my recommendation.  I loved the sentient computers, especially Corporate Skaskash who manipulated its legal environment to get "owned by itself" and how they integrate into the world and solving problems for the best of their own interests - while (at least physically) not being human at all.

Gilliland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_A._Gilliland) is known in fandom chiefly for his cartoons, though the Rosinante novels had been well-remarked when they were published in the early '80s.  He has a Web site (http://alexisgilliland.org/), but I haven't seen it updated for more than four years.  

That site gives his e-mail address as leeandalexis@hotmail.com but I've not corresponded with him at all, and I haven't spoken to him since an encounter at a Philcon some twenty-mumble years ago.

Dunno who's got the rights to the three Rosinante novels, but if Gilliland is alive and off a respirator, I'd bet the truculent old S.O.B. has them firmly in his tight little fist.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Corydon on November 04, 2012, 11:08:58 pm
Yes, there was a time in American history when Federal law required citizens of "free states" to return escaped slaves to their masters. The law was controversial, and enforcement was inconsistent, but one of the most infamous of our Supreme Court decisions is known as the "Dred Scott" decision, which affirmed the Constitutionality of that Federal law.  In the Slave States, as well, ordinary citizens were compelled by local laws to join "Slave Patrols" which went looking for escaped slaves which had not made it out of their territory.

This is such an important point; in addition to the nightmare that slavery inflicted upon African-Americans, it exerted a coercive force on whites as well.

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In other words, slavery could have endured economically without the support of both Federal and state laws, which socialized the costs of keeping slaves enthralled to their masters.

I can see why this would be an appealing argument from a libertarian point of view, but I don't think it holds much water. Slavery was extremely profitable: to cite some well-known facts, by 1860 the value of slaves in the US exceeded the value of all property except land, the slave and cotton trading port of Natchez had more millionaires per capita than anywhere else in the country, the value of cotton exports was higher than it had ever been, etc. So while federal and local laws helped subsidize the institution of slavery, it's probably wishful thinking to imagine that slavery would have collapsed without those subsidies. (For that matter, I don't know how you would easily measure the economic impact of those laws, let alone draw the conclusion that they were all that propped up slavery.)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on November 05, 2012, 01:16:55 am
Well, since importation of slaves into the U.S. was outlawed after 1808, keeping slaves on the plantations was rather vital to the economy. If a large portion of them were able to escape, the plantation economy so crucial to the cotton exchange would collapse. Without the fugitive-slave laws, slave owners would have had to spend enormous sums keeping their unwilling "property" from running away -- and those higher "operating costs" would have reduced the value of slaves compared to free labor.

In Texas, there was one cohesive group of immigrant-settlers in the late 1840s, the Germans, who refused to own slaves for philosophical reasons (they had recently escaped the tyranny of Prince Metternich and so had an intensified love of liberty). They ran their farms with free labor and were easily able to compete in the marketplace with slave-based farms. If the costs of slave-based farming were amplified by removing the state subsidy (slavery was already outlawed in Mexico which provided a plausibly accessible haven), the free farmers could have out-competed them.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Corydon on November 05, 2012, 06:41:33 am
Thanks for the explanation, Scott. But I see a lot of assumptions there, and not a lot of evidence. We know that the profit margin of cotton exports in 1860 was around 10%: not amazing, but not bad. How much effect would the absence of these laws have actually had? How many people were actually press ganged by slave patrols- what would it have cost to hire patrollers. And how many volunteers were there/ would there have been- after all, race has often trumped economic interests for white Americans. Et cetera. You may be right that slavery would have collapsed without these laws, but I don't see much beyond theory.

That said, it's certainly true that the southern states *believed* the peculiar institution would collapse without these laws- they were willing to go to war to defend them. That's maybe your strongest piece of evidence, actually. 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Norman on November 05, 2012, 07:40:15 am
Does someone by chance know the Rosinante trilogy by Alexis A. Gilliland? I only know the first 2 books (I think), in German translation. Great SF, very thought-through , has my recommendation :) I loved the sentient computers, especially Corporate Skaskash who manipulated its legal environment to get "owned by itself" and how they integrate into the world and solving problems for the best of their own interests - while (at least physically) not being human at all :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Gilliland
I've read them, in US editions, as well as some fantasy (the Wizenbeak trilogy) that may be related to those cartoons (at least I've seen some that had Wizenbeak in them).  I don't recall "The End of the Empire".  Unfortunately this was decades ago, and my brother's books.  My second favorite meme (after the "coporately owned" AIs) from the Rosinante trilogy was their money.  After seperating out the gold from the rest of the asteroid they smelted, they coined money, the Cere's d'Or, with the motto "Fiat Lucre".  Third was the monofrequency mirror arrays pumping the laser used to smelt the asteroid.

If you can find these books, I highly recommend them.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: bjdotson on November 05, 2012, 08:24:23 am
Thanks for the explanation, Scott. But I see a lot of assumptions there, and not a lot of evidence. We know that the profit margin of cotton exports in 1860 was around 10%: not amazing, but not bad. How much effect would the absence of these laws have actually had? How many people were actually press ganged by slave patrols- what would it have cost to hire patrollers. And how many volunteers were there/ would there have been- after all, race has often trumped economic interests for white Americans. Et cetera. You may be right that slavery would have collapsed without these laws, but I don't see much beyond theory.

That said, it's certainly true that the southern states *believed* the peculiar institution would collapse without these laws- they were willing to go to war to defend them. That's maybe your strongest piece of evidence, actually. 

And I think that they were right about it dying out. In fact, slavery was already dying out for a variety of reasons. The invention of the cotton gin revivtremendouslynously. It made processing cotton so cheap and fast (compared to before) that cotton was like white gold if you had the labor to pick it. It gave new life tinstitutionuition of slavery.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Corydon on November 05, 2012, 11:19:10 am
Thanks for the explanation, Scott. But I see a lot of assumptions there, and not a lot of evidence. We know that the profit margin of cotton exports in 1860 was around 10%: not amazing, but not bad. How much effect would the absence of these laws have actually had? How many people were actually press ganged by slave patrols- what would it have cost to hire patrollers. And how many volunteers were there/ would there have been- after all, race has often trumped economic interests for white Americans. Et cetera. You may be right that slavery would have collapsed without these laws, but I don't see much beyond theory.

That said, it's certainly true that the southern states *believed* the peculiar institution would collapse without these laws- they were willing to go to war to defend them. That's maybe your strongest piece of evidence, actually. 

And I think that they were right about it dying out. In fact, slavery was already dying out for a variety of reasons. The invention of the cotton gin revivtremendouslynously. It made processing cotton so cheap and fast (compared to before) that cotton was like white gold if you had the labor to pick it. It gave new life tinstitutionuition of slavery.

But the point is- it wasn't dying out as of 1860. It was more profitable than ever, and if the war hadn't occurred, would likely have remained so for a good long while.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macsnafu on November 05, 2012, 12:36:16 pm
Thanks for the explanation, Scott. But I see a lot of assumptions there, and not a lot of evidence. We know that the profit margin of cotton exports in 1860 was around 10%: not amazing, but not bad. How much effect would the absence of these laws have actually had? How many people were actually press ganged by slave patrols- what would it have cost to hire patrollers. And how many volunteers were there/ would there have been- after all, race has often trumped economic interests for white Americans. Et cetera. You may be right that slavery would have collapsed without these laws, but I don't see much beyond theory.

That said, it's certainly true that the southern states *believed* the peculiar institution would collapse without these laws- they were willing to go to war to defend them. That's maybe your strongest piece of evidence, actually. 

And I think that they were right about it dying out. In fact, slavery was already dying out for a variety of reasons. The invention of the cotton gin revivtremendouslynously. It made processing cotton so cheap and fast (compared to before) that cotton was like white gold if you had the labor to pick it. It gave new life tinstitutionuition of slavery.

But the point is- it wasn't dying out as of 1860. It was more profitable than ever, and if the war hadn't occurred, would likely have remained so for a good long while.

Well, okay, I don't have hard data to go by, but I have trouble understanding how slave labor can be more productive than free labor.  And furthermore, maybe you're not paying them wages, but you do have to house, clothe, and feed them, and allow them something to do during their downtime.  Not to mention problems with the children of slaves, and all the institutions that a person normally wants, slave or not.
And how long is a "long, long time" when machinery was just around the corner? 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Corydon on November 05, 2012, 01:05:15 pm
Slavery wasn't as efficient or productive as free labor. But it was more profitable for the slave owners; that's the relevant thing. (Anyway, a lack of profitability is an even bigger problem for the thesis we are discussing, namely that "slavery would have economically collapsed without local and federal law." Why would slave owners defend an unprofitable system?)

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by machinery being just around the corner. Mechanical cotton pickers didn't come into use until the 1940s. Or do you mean the exploitation of slaves in southern factories? Because that was well under way in the mid-19th century: the most prominent example is the Tredegar Iron Works.

To be clear: I do agree with you that a slave system is always less efficient than one that uses free labor, and that slavery retarded development in the American south. I just don't buy the notion that it could only have survived thanks to government subsidies.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: karst45 on November 05, 2012, 04:17:24 pm

Are you running anti-malware programs (http://www.filehippo.com/software/antimalware/antivirus/) to protect you from Trojans and similar bastardlinesses?  Have you made use of utilities like CCleaner (http://www.piriform.com/) to "debulk" the residua that Web browsing leaves behind on your fixed drive?

I wish I could direct you to reliable advice on this phenomenon, but if I had such surety, I'd seek it myself. 

Er, let me know if you get anywhere with this, wouldja?  Thanks.

Well it seem that it was Kaspersky that blocked the image from fully loading. But the question now is: why did it suddenly started blocking those? Remember, about 2-3 week ago it didn't do that.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on November 05, 2012, 04:59:44 pm
I"m not sure if this is relevant, but coincidentally it was 2-3 weeks ago we started running the strips in color.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on November 05, 2012, 09:28:41 pm
Well it seem that it was Kaspersky that blocked the image from fully loading. But the question now is: why did it suddenly started blocking those? Remember, about 2-3 week ago it didn't do that.

Being a cheap bastard myself, I strive to protect my antique difference engine with a program called AVG Free, and I note that when my e-mail client program reaches up into the aether to suck down correspondence, everything on the machine grinds slo-o-w throughout the protection software's filtration of the "take."

Using the "Processes" frame of Windows Task Manager to track CPU cycles devoted to the various programs resident and running has shown that it's one of the AVG system components (I can't remember which) that's grinding away when this happens. 

I suspect that the anti-virus software will always do this, especially as these packages are both updated and episodically enhanced through expansion by their supporting programers to meet the challenges posed by the greater sophistication of invasive malware being developed by various folk all over the planet. 

Mark me not as a fan of Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (commonly known as "Caligula"), but I would most certainly that this population of hackers had but one neck, the better to get my thumbs upon the cartilagineous components congruent with their gullets.

Methinks they suffer from a surfeit of pulmonary oxygenation, the same I would be happy to mitigate.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 05, 2012, 09:45:07 pm
Well it seem that it was Kaspersky that blocked the image from fully loading. But the question now is: why did it suddenly started blocking those? Remember, about 2-3 week ago it didn't do that.

Being a cheap bastard myself, I strive to protect my antique difference engine with a program called AVG Free, and I note that when my e-mail client program reaches up into the aether to suck down correspondence, everything on the machine grinds slo-o-w throughout the protection software's filtration of the "take."

I myself avoid this particular issue via running an obscure distro of Linux. Virii need not apply. I do still run an anti-virus to scan incoming files, but that's mostly as a courtesy, to protect the people on my network who run Windows.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on November 05, 2012, 10:03:17 pm
I myself avoid this particular issue via running an obscure distro of Linux. Virii need not apply. I do still run an anti-virus to scan incoming files, but that's mostly as a courtesy, to protect the people on my network who run Windows.

I don't even run an obscure distro of late (Mint is treating me quite well), though I have done so in the almost 20 years I've been free of Microsoft (in my personal life, anyway).  Yeah, I let ClamAV loose once in a while, but the only things that show up are already in my spam folders.  Since there are no 'doze systems on my home network since I lost Lisa, that's done out of curiosity, not courtesy.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sieggy on November 06, 2012, 11:37:57 am

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And I think that they were right about it dying out. In fact, slavery was already dying out for a variety of reasons. The invention of the cotton gin revivtremendouslynously. It made processing cotton so cheap and fast (compared to before) that cotton was like white gold if you had the labor to pick it. It gave new life tinstitutionuition of slavery.
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But the point is- it wasn't dying out as of 1860. It was more profitable than ever, and if the war hadn't occurred, would likely have remained so for a good long while.
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Well, okay, I don't have hard data to go by, but I have trouble understanding how slave labor can be more productive than free labor.  And furthermore, maybe you're not paying them wages, but you do have to house, clothe, and feed them, and allow them something to do during their downtime.  Not to mention problems with the children of slaves, and all the institutions that a person normally wants, slave or not.
And how long is a "long, long time" when machinery was just around the corner?  
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One of the things that we don't like to talk about is the fact that since slave importation had been outlawed, the only source of new slaves was to breed them. Black women were encouraged to have LOTS of children; the preachers pushed this line very hard (children were referred to as the 'Stars in Their Crown of Heaven') along with the biblical injunctions to 'be fruitful and multiply'. Mulattos that were the result of whites breeding with their slaves fetched a higher price as 'high yallers' than field hands, as they were given 'house' positions for the most part (they were thought of as being less 'dangerous' and intimidating than pure blacks). A productive field slave fetched a considerably higher price than a horse (thoroughbreds excluded), and a 'purty nigger' was an EXTREMELY salable commodity, so a plantation that produced a surplus of slaves beyond its own labor demands viewed them as a profit center.

One of the terrible tragedies of the era was that since the slaves were property, they were traded about the same as animals. Families were always in terror of being torn asunder as members were bartered / sold away, and the slave owners in most cases forbade their slaves to marry for this reason (not that it stopped them, of course). The prospect of 'being sold down the river' was a constant fear, and one of the reasons many slaves ran away was to find their families who were taken elsewhere, or to return to them. There were still Freedman papers in the early 20th century where old blacks were still plaintively seeking their lost families . . .

And no one knew that machinery was 'just around the corner - one of the defining characteristics of a slave economy is its extreme conservatism (cf Rome), reliance on tradition, and resistance to innovation (that does not yield an immediate and measurable profit). This resistance was one of the reasons the south was at such a disadvantage during the civil war, they had essentially no heavy industry to speak of.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on November 07, 2012, 03:02:05 am
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And no one knew that machinery was 'just around the corner - one of the defining characteristics of a slave economy is its extreme conservatism (cf Rome), reliance on tradition, and resistance to innovation (that does not yield an immediate and measurable profit). This resistance was one of the reasons the south was at such a disadvantage during the civil war, they had essentially no heavy industry to speak of.

As much as this slavery topic, and making a accidental parallel to earlier discussion on draft animals on the forum disturbs me.

The new farming machinery still required an additional source of power.  Equipment was new, untested, needed capital investment to be purchased, maintained, and required a reliable supply of spare parts.   Slaves, while less efficient, was in place, purchased, easily fueled, self repairing and replicating.   

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on November 07, 2012, 05:01:16 pm
 ...... .... And no one knew that machinery was 'just around the corner - one of the defining characteristics of a slave economy is its extreme conservatism (cf Rome), reliance on tradition, and resistance to innovation (that does not yield an immediate and measurable profit). This resistance was one of the reasons the south was at such a disadvantage during the civil war, they had essentially no heavy industry to speak of.

As much as this slavery topic, and making a accidental parallel to earlier discussion on draft animals on the forum disturbs me.

The new farming machinery still required an additional source of power.  Equipment was new, untested, needed capital investment to be purchased, maintained, and required a reliable supply of spare parts.   Slaves, while less efficient, was in place, purchased, easily fueled, self repairing and replicating.  

Jeez, it doesn't disturb me at all, and that's in spite of the fact that, as a descendent of immigrants from Sicily, I've got an ancestry that spent more millennia (forget mere "centuries") in chattel slavery than that of any current North American person with a more appreciable touch of the tarbrush.  

And I'll betcha I've got at least as much of that tarbrush in my personal genetic make-up as does Michelle's Metrosexual Man-Tan Meatpuppet.  They don't call us siciliani by the denigratory term "mulignani" ("eggplants") for nothing.  

The Moors came through all of il Mezzogiorno with appalling regularity over the past twenty centuries and more, "cross-pollinating" my progenitors' stock by way of forcible rape (and episodically equitable rental) throughout.  

So let's consider the "capital investment" factor as it figured in the chattel slavery economy of the Deep South during the first half of the 19th Century, okay?  

Because slave owners not only confronted hellaciously high acquisition costs for working Negro slaves (how much resource expenditure was involved incidental to getting one male laborer into his peak productive years - forget about the females as economically significant assets even in a squat labor agricultural regime - and keeping him productive during that long though definitely limited period?), the attractiveness of mechanization was high enough that the replacement of unskilled labor by machinery in agriculture and construction was an inevitability.  

If anything, the cost calculations militated most strongly against the ownership of chattel slaves.  Were that not the case, then with the easy availability of insectile hordes of coolies in the China-Burma-India (CBI) theater of operations during World War II, the U.S. Fourteenth and Twentieth Air Forces wouldn't have brought in bulldozers, graders, and other earthmoving equipment to construct and maintain their bases in that theater, would they?

Pardon the Pointy-Haired Boss-ism, but slave labor isn't known for working "smarter, not harder."

It's not merely that slavery is "less efficient" but that it is overwhelmingly less cost-efficient.  

Were that not the case, then indentured servitude (see They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html) by Michael A. Hoffman II [1999]) would have persisted in the northern states well past the middle decades of the 1800s.  

Frankly, it was the high capital costs associated with Negro slaves that made the comparatively cheaper labor of unskilled immigrants (particularly the Irish) competitively desirable.  See that citation immediately above for a draw upon Hoffman's research.  

A free laborer who suffered a broken back loading cotton bales aboard ship was tremendously less costly than having a valuable buck slave (whose body might be entailed as an asset pledged in a large loan) get injured or killed.  

People who approach subjects such as chattel slavery on the basis of "moral" considerations betray a historical as well as an economic illiteracy that would be amusing if it weren't so blitheringly stupid.  

What killed slavery was the first industrial revolution, not loving kindness, and anybody who believes otherwise is operating on faith, not knowledge.

 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 07, 2012, 05:58:37 pm
And I'll betcha I've got at least as much of that tarbrush in my personal genetic make-up as does Michelle's Metrosexual Man-Tan Meatpuppet.  They don't call us siciliani by the denigratory term "mulignani" ("eggplants") for nothing. 

The Moors came through all of il Mezzogiorno with appalling regularity over the past twenty centuries and more, "cross-pollinating" my progenitors' stock by way of forcible rape (and episodically equitable rental) throughout. 

I am reminded of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_G1zaPCPw) (NSFW - seriously... don't click that link if you're easily capable of being offended.) clip from the movie "True Romance". Easily one of the best scenes in movie, not for it's language, but for the "chemistry" between Hopper and Walken. I mean, this is pretty much Hopper's only scene in the movie, but he sells the crap out of it.

But, yeah, slavery was inevitably dead. Matter of time. Not what the war was about anyway. There's a reason I call it the "Second American Revolution" - the one we lost.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on November 07, 2012, 07:07:35 pm
And I'll betcha I've got at least as much of that tarbrush in my personal genetic make-up as does Michelle's Metrosexual Man-Tan Meatpuppet.  They don't call us siciliani by the denigratory term "mulignani" ("eggplants") for nothing. 

The Moors came through all of il Mezzogiorno with appalling regularity over the past twenty centuries and more, "cross-pollinating" my progenitors' stock by way of forcible rape (and episodically equitable rental) throughout. 

I am reminded of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_G1zaPCPw) (NSFW - seriously... don't click that link if you're easily capable of being offended.) clip from the movie True Romance. Easily one of the best scenes in movie, not for it's language, but for the "chemistry" between Hopper and Walken. I mean, this is pretty much Hopper's only scene in the movie, but he sells the crap out of it.

"NSFW"?  How?  And how could I be "offended"? 

By the way, the Hopper character is wrong about Sicilians ever being blond, fair-skinned, blue-eyed, etc., in the pre-medieval past.  The island's original inhabitants might have been Celts (those vermin got everywhere in that part of the Mediterranean, didn't they?), but the first civilization was established in Greek (Attic, Cretan) and perhaps Phoenician colonies. 

Neither the Greeks nor the Levantines have ever been particularly notable for high albedo.

There are strains of blond, blue-eyed folk in Sicily (some even in my own family), but they're almost certainly the residue of the Norman conquest of the island in the 11th Century.  When these secondhand vikings were conquering England, a cadre of 'em landed also in Sicily with acquisitive intent.

Accounts have it that this francophone infestation was resolved by way of the Sicilian Vespers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Vespers) ("Dica 'ciciri,' stronzo!"). 

Which is more than you can say for those limp-wristed effete Anglo-Saxon schmucks, who never did get rid of those Fitz-whatever Eurotrash, did they?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 07, 2012, 08:19:20 pm
And I'll betcha I've got at least as much of that tarbrush in my personal genetic make-up as does Michelle's Metrosexual Man-Tan Meatpuppet.  They don't call us siciliani by the denigratory term "mulignani" ("eggplants") for nothing. 

The Moors came through all of il Mezzogiorno with appalling regularity over the past twenty centuries and more, "cross-pollinating" my progenitors' stock by way of forcible rape (and episodically equitable rental) throughout. 

I am reminded of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_G1zaPCPw) (NSFW - seriously... don't click that link if you're easily capable of being offended.) clip from the movie True Romance. Easily one of the best scenes in movie, not for it's language, but for the "chemistry" between Hopper and Walken. I mean, this is pretty much Hopper's only scene in the movie, but he sells the crap out of it.

"NSFW"?  How?  And how could I be "offended"? 
Tooch, I'm relatively certain you only know "offended" as a definition, like some obscure disease that other people get. That said, others have not the wisdom to develop such a thick skin, and certain employers do take offense at the words used in that clip. Thus the NSFW tag. Not for you, but out of respect for the other readers' employment prospects and sensibilities. As for the rest, I did not know that. Very interesting.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on November 08, 2012, 02:32:06 am
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Jeez, it doesn't disturb me at all, and that's in spite of the fact that, as a descendent of immigrants from Sicily, I've got an ancestry that spent more millennia (forget mere "centuries") in chattel slavery than that of any current North American person with a more appreciable touch of the tarbrush.  
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My issue was with comparing Human Slaves to Draft Animals.  Slavery is immoral no matter the name they use for it, and a very real problem in this world today.

All this negative talk of race and ethnic differences reminds me of a wise observation I was told.
There is only two types of people, The enlightened, and the ones still lost in the dark.

If you don't know where you fit consider this test,

Start with five women of similar size and build but five distinctively different race/ethnic groups,

  You first meet each one on one in a dark room wordlessly with carnal intent.

  Then repeat this another day with each woman meeting you now at their door with lights on.

           If you would have entered with no pause before first meeting them in the dark room, you are of The Enlightened..
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on November 08, 2012, 07:06:25 am
If you would have entered with no pause before first meeting them in the dark room, you are of The Enlightened..

Wouldn't it be better to say "Start in a blacked-out room with five warm bodies of no particular gender or age, each suitably lubricated..."?

Then, if you'd schtupped any random one (or every one) of 'em - man, woman, child, dead or alive - without any effort or desire to determine the conditions of the flesh other than the portion you'd poked your prod into, might that behavior be the more accurate demonstration that you're not only "lost in the dark" but about as discriminate in your moral code and aesthetic sense as a leg-humping dog?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 08, 2012, 09:18:20 am
If you would have entered with no pause before first meeting them in the dark room, you are of The Enlightened..

Wouldn't it be better to say "Start in a blacked-out room with five warm bodies of no particular gender or age, each suitably lubricated..."?

Well put. If you're looking to prove "enlightenment," discuss something on the internet. Judge based on intellect, and not skin tone or hair color, or weight, or gender, or sexual orientation, or age. Physicalities are largely out of our control. Sexual discrimination (or lack thereof) is not a criterion for enlightenment. Now, if you had previously talked with those ladies, and went, in the dark to the one you preferred based on that previous conversation, and did not stray once the lights were brought up, then you might consider yourself enlightened.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on November 08, 2012, 04:00:31 pm
If you would have entered with no pause before first meeting them in the dark room, you are of The Enlightened..

Wouldn't it be better to say "Start in a blacked-out room with five warm bodies of no particular gender or age, each suitably lubricated..."?

Well put. If you're looking to prove "enlightenment," discuss something on the internet. Judge based on intellect, and not skin tone or hair color, or weight, or gender, or sexual orientation, or age. Physicalities are largely out of our control. Sexual discrimination (or lack thereof) is not a criterion for enlightenment. Now, if you had previously talked with those ladies, and went, in the dark to the one you preferred based on that previous conversation, and did not stray once the lights were brought up, then you might consider yourself enlightened.

I think it ludicrous to qualify "enlightened" status on the basis of a scrotum-toter's taste in quim, whatever its gender, maturity, vitality, or species.  Screw (you should pardon the expression) "Physicalities."

I'd go so far as to disqualify judgement "based on intellect" (of the subject of the putative "enlightened" guy's attentions, sexual or otherwise) and instead upon the aspiring "enlightened"-wannabe's regard for the unalienable individual rights of said particular human being.

Providing, of course, that it is a living human being, and not an inflatable sex doll, a Merino sheep, a corpse, or a plate of warmed-over raw liver (pâté a la Portnoy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portnoy%27s_Complaint)). 

Per L. Neil Smith (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle1998/le35-19980115-08.html):
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The great secret of life lies in choosing the right woman. It's a mother's job to tell you not to play with fire. Marry the girl who tells you, "Go ahead."
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 08, 2012, 04:18:32 pm
I think it ludicrous to qualify "enlightened" status on the basis of a scrotum-toter's taste in quim, whatever its gender, maturity, vitality, or species.  Screw (you should pardon the expression) "Physicalities."

I'd go so far as to disqualify judgement "based on intellect" (of the subject of the putative "enlightened" guy's attentions, sexual or otherwise) and instead upon the aspiring "enlightened"-wannabe's regard for the unalienable individual rights of said particular human being.
I once more bow to superior wisdom. It was my intent to get a similar point across, but I apparently failed.

Per L. Neil Smith (http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle1998/le35-19980115-08.html):
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The great secret of life lies in choosing the right woman. It's a mother's job to tell you not to play with fire. Marry the girl who tells you, "Go ahead."
Now that's a pithy bit of wisdom, there.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on November 09, 2012, 03:54:43 am
Well put. If you're looking to prove "enlightenment," discuss something on the internet. Judge based on intellect, and not skin tone or hair color, or weight, or gender, or sexual orientation, or age. Physicalities are largely out of our control. Sexual discrimination (or lack thereof) is not a criterion for enlightenment. Now, if you had previously talked with those ladies, and went, in the dark to the one you preferred based on that previous conversation, and did not stray once the lights were brought up, then you might consider yourself enlightened.

I think it ludicrous to qualify "enlightened" status on the basis of a scrotum-toter's taste in quim, whatever its gender, maturity, vitality, or species.  Screw (you should pardon the expression) "Physicalities."
.....

As the observation and test where not my own, I can only smile wondering what the exact retort to each would have been.

Also realize, this was a verbal hypothetical test to judge reaction, not actually to be staged.
You did exactly what I had, rather than focus on the higher moral question the primal sexual part of humanity seemed more important to debate.

When I raised protest to the questions, I was told many whom act as "Bigots" would enter the room if unobserved by others as they still see the woman no matter race/ethnic persuasion as a human being. He called these, "The Enlightened but misguided."
The ones that fail the test, see them repellant, beneath them, somehow inferior or sub-human.  His words, "Lost in the dark."


The Enlightened but misguided is where I disagreed.   I didn't share the optimism those people would one day openly treat everyone as equals. 
But then, I am not a Eastern Monk sitting on a central Florida park bench, amusing a bored young food cart vender with my musings.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: vulgate on November 10, 2012, 07:37:43 pm
I went to the trouble of registering and meeting the crazy password requirements for this site. Now I can't even post a new topic. I just wanted to tell you that the Quantum Vibe radio ad is catchy and awesome. But you know what? Fuck you! Signing up for this forum took way more effort than it was worth. 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: TheDOCTOR on November 10, 2012, 07:39:47 pm
Since i cant create new post, and am getting this kind of problem more and more, i thought to ask the community if they encountered that problem, and if they have a solution/work around for it.


You can see there, (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Karst/th_Quantumvibe.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v446/Karst/?action=view&current=Quantumvibe.jpg)

that the image don't show completely, as if it had not loaded fully. Problem is it did load completely, right click Show image or reload/refresh, don't change anything. It began a week or 2 ago. At first i tough it was a update error, but i start seeing this elsewhere


Am i alone in this situation? Can anyone help me with that?
Hello, I'm TheDOCTOR and I also am haveing the same problem exactly as you describe. I havent been able to view QV for over 2 weeks and I've consulted w/ others, (Hey Jim) and the site loads for them. I thought I was alone in this  but it was suggested I go here , Contact  SCOTT! and maybe he could
HELP ME! SOS!
assist with this problem and find a solution. I'm not being too Subtle Am I, Scott?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on November 10, 2012, 08:33:32 pm
I went to the trouble of registering and meeting the crazy password requirements for this site. Now I can't even post a new topic. I just wanted to tell you that the Quantum Vibe radio ad is catchy and awesome. But you know what? frack you! Signing up for this forum took way more effort than it was worth. 

Maintain an even strain, n00b.  The site is set up so that you've got to accumulate some kind of track record posting on existing threads before you can initiate a new one.

I suspect that it's a measure taken to prevent the excessive proliferation of new topics.  As you can see, you're perfectly free to humiliate yourself in public on an existing discussion thread.  Ain't that enough for you right now?

By the way, have you responded yet to the retina scan and the requirement for a semen sample?  The Biesers have this eugenics program going, and they're looking for breeding stock....
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sean Roach on November 10, 2012, 09:58:36 pm
We once had a spam problem.  This cuts back on it.  It's a pain, blame a spammer.

Then hit ctrl-F5 and see if that reloads the whole page rather than just reloading from cache.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on November 11, 2012, 09:17:25 am
So far we've had about a half-dozen people contact us by various means over the past two weeks telling us about this problem. We haven't been able to replicate it on any of our systems, although it did happen just once on my laptop, and I resolved it by clearing the browser's cache. I don't know if any of the people with this problem have done that.

If you have cleared the cache or used Sean's suggested to force a full re-load of the page and still have this problem, please let me know.
Title: the city is oblate and I'm obtuse
Post by: Anton Sherwood on November 15, 2012, 01:14:50 am
Here I be, a person of no importance, wondering why (per #480) L-5 City is oblate, making most of the ground steep, rather than prolate (approximating a GKO cylinder).
Title: Re: the city is oblate and I'm obtuse
Post by: Tucci78 on November 15, 2012, 06:45:09 am
Here I be, a person of no importance, wondering why (per #480 (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=480)) L-5 City is oblate, making most of the ground steep, rather than prolate (approximating a GKO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_K._O%27Neill) cylinder).

'Cause it looks cooler? 

One of the unobtainium technofixes in this ficton is "electro-gravity (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=404)," "...which permits engineers to create simulated gravity without spinning."

Grant that premise, and there's no need for a strictly cylindrical space habitat to get an even "distribution" of pseudogravity over the usable interior surface area.  There is, however, a need for construction designed to compensate at optimum efficiency for the internal pressure exerted by megatons of breathable air, and an oblate spheroid (or maybe a volume described by superelliptical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superellipse) curvatures) would seem to serve the engineering necessities better than the classic GKO colony cylinder.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on November 15, 2012, 10:24:53 am
I didn't really convey this well in the art, but the interior surface of the Bloid is terraced, in five sections. The sections at the far ends do tend to slope inward a bit. As Tucci surmises, the reason for the shape has to do with engineering stress-mechanics.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on November 15, 2012, 03:09:30 pm
Huge spinning open cylinders with miles of 1G landscape on the inside look cool in Sci-Fi fiction and art. 

Witnessed an structural engineer try to explain in detail in a forum using a arena dome as an example of why this is impossible at our current and foreseeable future technological level on earth and in space. 

The simple minded reply to this was, "But it's not a roof, you don't have to worry about the outside falling down."
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on November 15, 2012, 05:23:46 pm
The simple minded reply to this was, "But it's not a roof, you don't have to worry about the outside falling down."

Nope.  It's a floor.  With a very deep basement.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on November 16, 2012, 04:23:55 am
The simple minded reply to this was, "But it's not a roof, you don't have to worry about the outside falling down."

Nope.  It's a floor.  With a very deep basement.


With each additional floor adding more weight per mass as it is now beyond that 1G spin loading point.  Really limited on what we have to work with.  How many years would it take, and country's would it bankrupt to build just one with carbon fiber and soda cans just to prove it would fail on spin-up?   
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 16, 2012, 09:03:07 am
The simple minded reply to this was, "But it's not a roof, you don't have to worry about the outside falling down."

Nope.  It's a floor.  With a very deep basement.


With each additional floor adding more weight per mass as it is now beyond that 1G spin loading point.  Really limited on what we have to work with.  How many years would it take, and country's would it bankrupt to build just one with carbon fiber and soda cans just to prove it would fail on spin-up?   

Why should it require 1G? The human body works just fine at lower acceleration, and it's easier to design for. .6 or even .3 G should be plenty.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on November 18, 2012, 08:58:52 am
The simple minded reply to this was, "But it's not a roof, you don't have to worry about the outside falling down."

Nope.  It's a floor.  With a very deep basement.


With each additional floor adding more weight per mass as it is now beyond that 1G spin loading point.  Really limited on what we have to work with.  How many years would it take, and country's would it bankrupt to build just one with carbon fiber and soda cans just to prove it would fail on spin-up?   

Why should it require 1G? The human body works just fine at lower acceleration, and it's easier to design for. .6 or even .3 G should be plenty.

I'm not the structural engineer, but in this case do you honestly think lowering G loading would matter over "Miles" of unsupported span?  The argument was against huge open centered cylinders with multiple miles of surface landscape inside.     There is no possible way to do this without internal structural bracing at relatively close intervals.  What it would become is no longer a "Open Cylinder", but it would obviously be heavier and more costly to build.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on November 18, 2012, 10:21:08 am
The simple minded reply to this was, "But it's not a roof, you don't have to worry about the outside falling down."

Nope.  It's a floor.  With a very deep basement.


With each additional floor adding more weight per mass as it is now beyond that 1G spin loading point.  Really limited on what we have to work with.  How many years would it take, and country's would it bankrupt to build just one with carbon fiber and soda cans just to prove it would fail on spin-up?   

Why should it require 1G? The human body works just fine at lower acceleration, and it's easier to design for. .6 or even .3 G should be plenty.

I'm not the structural engineer, but in this case do you honestly think lowering G loading would matter over "Miles" of unsupported span?  The argument was against huge open centered cylinders with multiple miles of surface landscape inside.     There is no possible way to do this without internal structural bracing at relatively close intervals.  What it would become is no longer a "Open Cylinder", but it would obviously be heavier and more costly to build.

There's a very good reason why you don't find cylindrical planets.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on November 19, 2012, 06:28:19 pm
Bouncing to another topic did you know Nichole Oresme is the name of a famous mathematician? Probably, I'm always behind the curve on these things.

Wiki FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Oresme
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on November 19, 2012, 06:49:53 pm
Yes, in fact my character is named for him. I came across this fellow a couple of years back as I was putting the finishing touches on story development for the strip. Originally, Nicole's name was going to be Vanessa. I can't remember what I was going to name her mom.

Two interesting facts about the orginal Nicole Oresme -- 1) He developed the concepts that Renee Descartes later developed into the famous "Cartesian graphs" that have bedevilled millions of math students; and he also did some early work in economics that later developed into subjectivist valuation, a keystone of the Austrian School.

However, our Nicole is not really related to the original, so far as anyone knows. Her mother is descended from Haitians.

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on November 19, 2012, 08:01:20 pm
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he also did some early work in economics that later developed into subjectivist valuation, a keystone of the Austrian School.

That's why the name caught your eye. I just saw it in a list of medieval mathematicians in a book. Looks like I may have to do some looking around the library instead of the Internet for more reading material. Well, it's cool and rainy outside so a comfy chair by a heater sounds like a good way to spend several afternoons.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on November 19, 2012, 09:35:51 pm

Two interesting facts about the orginal Nicole Oresme -- 1) He developed the concepts that Renee Descartes later developed into the famous "Cartesian graphs" that have bedevilled millions of math students; and he also did some early work in economics that later developed into subjectivist valuation, a keystone of the Austrian School.


As far as I can see, the Cartesian coordinate system only bedevilled "math students" who should have been spending their time in shop classes.  The ones that didn't involve actual measurement, where holding up a spread hand after a couple of band-saw incidents resulted in "Here's all the fingers on this hand!  That must be five".
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on December 20, 2012, 09:01:13 pm
This has to be shared. From "The Daily Grail" website.

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Well, here in Australia it's ticked over to the 21st of December 2012, the date of the Mayan apocalypse, and I can tell you that civilization is near non-existent, a murderous hot breeze is blowing across arid, unfriendly land, and poisonous, demonic animals are crawling beneath our feet and infesting the water around us. Fortunately, that's exactly how it was here before the Mayan apocalypse, so it looks like things will be fine.

Happy Solstice Day everyone.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on December 21, 2012, 06:05:48 am


(http://i48.tinypic.com/vqtdvr.jpg)

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on December 21, 2012, 09:10:03 am
The last (12th) Mayan baktun ended September 18, 1618.   Nothing special happened.  The 13th ends today.  I've never understood what was special.  Is it that 13 is supposed to be unlucky?  Wouldn't that make you worry about *beginning* the 13th baktun?

But evidently, there at 13 baktuns to a great cycle (even though their number system is base 20), and there are Mayan prophesies that in the 13th baktun, mankind would forget their bond with nature - which one could reasonably grant as being fulfilled.   And more stuff about a 13 month year being "natural" and the 12 month year "artificial".

 http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1030293/pg1 

So it is no so much that the calendar begins a new 13 baktun great cycle, but that there are Mayan prophesies associated with the new cycle.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on December 21, 2012, 05:21:10 pm
There are prophesies associated with every yearly cycle. They are called "New Years Resolutions" and they are about as accurate as any prediction.  ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on December 22, 2012, 12:11:16 am
Existing Mayan Descendants merely viewed that event as we do every end of year transition.

For the "sheep" among humanity..  ;)

OMG!!  The world is going to end!!
     The Gregorian Calendar stops on December 31st!!!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on December 22, 2012, 12:28:55 pm
Actually, the world did end here in the US, as congress passed the NDAA without even the proposed language to protect constitutional rights for citizens - giving Obama unfettered authority to incarcerate indefinitely whoever he pleases (and suspects of "terrorism" of course).
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sieggy on December 22, 2012, 04:30:55 pm
You mean CONGRESS granted that power to the PRESIDENT . . . and in 4 years, it won't be Obama.  And he's had this power all along. What's the big deal?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on December 22, 2012, 06:41:15 pm
Last I looked, NDAA is in the court system and not getting much support from Exec or Justice.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on December 23, 2012, 07:13:45 pm
Last I looked, NDAA is in the court system and not getting much support from Exec or Justice.

Mox fookin' nix.  Half a dozen cops at my door, I'm outgunned.  Me dead and probably no more than two thirds of them.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: UncleRice on December 24, 2012, 07:25:56 pm
Last I looked, NDAA is in the court system and not getting much support from Exec or Justice.

Mox fookin' nix.  Half a dozen cops at my door, I'm outgunned.  Me dead and probably no more than two thirds of them.
4:1 ratio isn't bad... Unless your the unlucky 1.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on December 31, 2012, 01:37:12 am
Speaking of calenders ending. Here goes 2012. The human race escapes extinction for one more year. Happy New Year to all.

My 2013 resolution is to read Quantum Vibe 5 days a week and make light-hearted comments about the comic at least twice a week. ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Bob G on December 31, 2012, 01:51:17 am
My 2013 resolution is to read Quantum Vibe 5 days a week and make light-hearted comments about the comic at least twice a week. ;D

That should be an easily enough resolution to keep.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on December 31, 2012, 03:55:58 am
Aim low I always say. Or better yet, draw the bullseye around the bullet hole after you shoot.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on December 31, 2012, 10:58:07 am
My 2013 resolution is to read Quantum Vibe 5 days a week and make light-hearted comments about the comic at least twice a week. ;D

That should be an easily enough resolution to keep.

That is, of course, assuming I can keep up the pace. Here's a heads-up: sometime this summer I will likely need to take another 1-2 week break while I move my household to Houston. I'll try to arrange things so that this happens between story arcs but I can't guarantee that.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on December 31, 2012, 01:12:21 pm
My 2013 resolution is to read Quantum Vibe 5 days a week and make light-hearted comments about the comic at least twice a week. ;D

That should be an easily enough resolution to keep.

That is, of course, assuming I can keep up the pace. Here's a heads-up: sometime this summer I will likely need to take another 1-2 week break while I move my household to Houston. I'll try to arrange things so that this happens between story arcs but I can't guarantee that.

Understandable. Thanks for the advance warning, both about the break, and about your impending invasion of the great state of Texas. ;)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Omega on January 09, 2013, 01:49:45 am
Ω here. Hey all.  :D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on January 09, 2013, 07:02:23 am

Ω here. Hey all.  :D

Welcome Omega, I'm fairly new to the forums myself,
but I've been following QV from it's start.
Have also read all the other BHP graphic novels.

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on January 09, 2013, 07:50:46 am

Understandable. Thanks for the advance warning, both about the break, and about your impending invasion of the great state of Texas. ;)

Invasion? More like  a return of the prodigal son. I grew up in Garland and went to college at UT-Austin. I moved away the year I turned 31, for career reasons.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on January 09, 2013, 08:51:20 am

Understandable. Thanks for the advance warning, both about the break, and about your impending invasion of the great state of Texas. ;)

Invasion? More like  a return of the prodigal son. I grew up in Garland and went to college at UT-Austin. I moved away the year I turned 31, for career reasons.


Ah. Then I guess I should be welcoming you back. Not that I have a lot of room to talk, being an import, myself, though.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on January 15, 2013, 05:03:00 pm
Scott, you're an evil guy.  I spotted an ad for this comic a week a go and you've trapped me.  ;)

Look forward to staying trapped.  ;D
 
Drak Bibliophile (The Book Loving Dragon)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on January 16, 2013, 07:29:55 am

Welcome DrakBibliophile, if you click HERE (http://www.bigheadpress.com/) you will find other stories to entice you.  8)

Robbin

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sean Roach on January 16, 2013, 12:23:44 pm
Hey Drak,
Think Toni could be talked into publishing this?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on January 16, 2013, 07:53:21 pm
It's possible but of course, I'm just a Barfly not a Baen Minion.  ;)

Hey Drak,
Think Toni could be talked into publishing this?

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: maniax on January 28, 2013, 10:04:11 pm
On the subject of colonisation ships using the mass detector as a type of warning radar, i have been thinking about the size of ship needed
The first thing to consider is that 100 people weigh approximately 7 tons , so the 3000 people needed for genetic diversity would weigh about 210 tons
Then there is about four or five times that weight in refrigeration machinery to turn them into human popsicles
Then add in at least 4000 tons of colonisation equipment i.e. (prefab buildings , portable smelters , bulldozers ect)
That adds up to about 5000 tons of cargo  so you would need an enormous engine to push it to 0.3333 C
I think you would have to have at least a million tons of spaceship
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on January 29, 2013, 08:39:05 am
On the subject of colonisation ships using the mass detector as a type of warning radar, i have been thinking about the size of ship needed
The first thing to consider is that 100 people weigh approximately 7 tons , so the 3000 people needed for genetic diversity would weigh about 210 tons
Then there is about four or five times that weight in refrigeration machinery to turn them into human popsicles
Then add in at least 4000 tons of colonisation equipment i.e. (prefab buildings , portable smelters , bulldozers ect)
That adds up to about 5000 tons of cargo  so you would need an enormous engine to push it to 0.3333 C
I think you would have to have at least a million tons of spaceship
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D

Unless you can convert Electrogravity technology into an artificial gravity drive...then acceleration is the constant, regardless of mass (that's just how gravity works...feather or hammer, the acceleration is the same in an equivalent gravity field.)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on January 29, 2013, 09:08:38 am

That adds up to about 5000 tons of cargo  so you would need an enormous engine to push it to 0.3333 C
I think you would have to have at least a million tons of spaceship
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D

Orion drive.  Just don't use it to launch from your biosphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on January 29, 2013, 09:21:37 am
One bit everyone is overlooking, and this may be somewhat my fault, is that the mass-detection tech's capability described here is for the first prototype.

In virtually all technology, once the basic principles are established and made to work, refinements follow. Within just a few years, the capabilities of the mass-detector can easily be enhanced by a factor of 10. Or 100.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on January 29, 2013, 04:59:13 pm
Orion drive.  Just don't use it to launch from your biosphere.

Nah.  Just don't use your biosphere to launch it.

On t'other hand, if you're not coming back, who cares?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on January 30, 2013, 05:02:03 am
Orion drive.  Just don't use it to launch from your biosphere.

Nah.  Just don't use your biosphere to launch it.

On t'other hand, if you're not coming back, who cares?

If your not coming back,, It's no longer your Biosphere to worry about..  :P

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That adds up to about 5000 tons of cargo  so you would need an enormous engine to push it to 0.3333 C
I think you would have to have at least a million tons of spaceship
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D

Four minutes??  Just consider freight trains and supertankers as a relative example a moment, they are much lighter, have something firmer than the vacuum of space to maneuver or brake against, and are moving many factors slower than your talking.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on January 30, 2013, 05:52:12 am
...... That adds up to about 5000 tons of cargo  so you would need an enormous engine to push it to 0.3333 C
I think you would have to have at least a million tons of spaceship
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes

Four minutes??  Just consider freight trains and supertankers as a relative example a moment, they are much lighter, have something firmer than the vacuum of space to maneuver or brake against, and are moving many factors slower than you're talking.

"Dr. Bergenholm?  Paging Dr. Nels Bergenholm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergenholm_space_drive)...."
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on January 30, 2013, 10:30:06 am
...... That adds up to about 5000 tons of cargo  so you would need an enormous engine to push it to 0.3333 C
I think you would have to have at least a million tons of spaceship
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes

Four minutes??  Just consider freight trains and supertankers as a relative example a moment, they are much lighter, have something firmer than the vacuum of space to maneuver or brake against, and are moving many factors slower than you're talking.

"Dr. Bergenholm?  Paging Dr. Nels Bergenholm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergenholm_space_drive)...."


Most of us do remember it's just a plot element to make it easy for use to forget we can't "Leap tall buildings in a single bound."   My favorite still has to be what Harry Harrison did with his "Bloater Drive" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloater_Drive#Bloater_Drive) in "Bill the Galactic Hero" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill,_the_Galactic_Hero) as it was obvious he was not trying to re-write the laws of physics, just amuse us with a novel explanation that will have you laffing until you reach the next page.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on January 30, 2013, 11:10:31 am
Most of us do remember it's just a plot element to make it easy for use to forget we can't "Leap tall buildings in a single bound."

Well, hell, so was the Lens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lensman_series).
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: hswoolve on February 01, 2013, 09:27:30 pm
and who is the subject of the hat tip in the first panel of strip #530?
It's a familiar image, but my back brain won't tell my forebrain who the heck it is. ???
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 02, 2013, 05:20:21 am
That's my good friend Mike Baron, with his wife Ann. Mike is co-creator of NEXUS, the BADGER, and The Architect. (http://www.bigheadpress.com/thearchitect)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Frank B. on February 03, 2013, 06:37:49 pm
That's my good friend Mike Baron, with his wife Ann. Mike is co-creator of NEXUS, the BADGER, and The Architect. (http://www.bigheadpress.com/thearchitect)

Isn't that what he wears when he rides?   ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: hswoolve on February 03, 2013, 07:45:47 pm
That's my good friend Mike Baron, [...]  Mike is co-creator of [...] the BADGER,
Cool, (I read that back in the day), but I was asking about the outfit.  I will try to be more specific in the future with my requests.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on February 04, 2013, 01:03:30 am
Mr. Baron was seen leaving Callahan's No. 29 wearing a Nexus t-shirt.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 04, 2013, 10:47:37 am
Actually it's sort of a mash-up between Nexus and The Flash, which Mike wrote for a while during his days working for DC Comics.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 09, 2013, 04:05:57 am
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D

You're forgetting the weight of the fuel, which would increase the mass of the ship by at least an order of magnitude.

Which is why rockets will not be taking us to the stars. They're just not effective enough.

That said, if you can muck about with gravity, then you have yourself an engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive), which, as Redwood Elf stated, needn't worry about steering time. It can essentially turn on a dime, reverse direction, or just dodge around any obstacle without the passengers even spilling a drop of their drinks.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on March 10, 2013, 12:35:45 am
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D

You're forgetting the weight of the fuel, which would increase the mass of the ship by at least an order of magnitude.

Which is why rockets will not be taking us to the stars. They're just not effective enough.

That said, if you can muck about with gravity, then you have yourself an engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive), which, as Redwood Elf stated, needn't worry about steering time. It can essentially turn on a dime, reverse direction, or just dodge around any obstacle without the passengers even spilling a drop of their drinks.

well that's not exactly the drive I was talking about...no negative gravity involved, just equal and opposite positive gravity fields, with the ship in a gravity field going in the direction you want it to go, and empty space in the opposing field.

The reason for equal and opposite fields is, if the overall field balances out, that should reduce the energy needed...the Alcubierre drive posits actually generating negative gravity, which has never been observed and, in all likelyhood, isn't possible.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 10, 2013, 01:12:20 am
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D

You're forgetting the weight of the fuel, which would increase the mass of the ship by at least an order of magnitude.

Which is why rockets will not be taking us to the stars. They're just not effective enough.

That said, if you can muck about with gravity, then you have yourself an engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive), which, as Redwood Elf stated, needn't worry about steering time. It can essentially turn on a dime, reverse direction, or just dodge around any obstacle without the passengers even spilling a drop of their drinks.

well that's not exactly the drive I was talking about...no negative gravity involved, just equal and opposite positive gravity fields, with the ship in a gravity field going in the direction you want it to go, and empty space in the opposing field.

The reason for equal and opposite fields is, if the overall field balances out, that should reduce the energy needed...the Alcubierre drive posits actually generating negative gravity, which has never been observed and, in all likelyhood, isn't possible.

If all you're doing is using gravity to replace rockets as your means of acceleration, you still run into some pretty hairy problems; most notably the fact that the more you accelerate, the more massive you become. You're still limited by lightspeed. Combined with the fact that you're using gravity to accelerate, you're very likely to arrive at your destination not as an intact ship, but as a burst of Hawking radiation.

The Alcubierre drive has some serious issues, but those are just hurdles to be overcome.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on March 11, 2013, 06:15:33 pm
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D

You're forgetting the weight of the fuel, which would increase the mass of the ship by at least an order of magnitude.

Which is why rockets will not be taking us to the stars. They're just not effective enough.

That said, if you can muck about with gravity, then you have yourself an engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive), which, as Redwood Elf stated, needn't worry about steering time. It can essentially turn on a dime, reverse direction, or just dodge around any obstacle without the passengers even spilling a drop of their drinks.

well that's not exactly the drive I was talking about...no negative gravity involved, just equal and opposite positive gravity fields, with the ship in a gravity field going in the direction you want it to go, and empty space in the opposing field.

The reason for equal and opposite fields is, if the overall field balances out, that should reduce the energy needed...the Alcubierre drive posits actually generating negative gravity, which has never been observed and, in all likelyhood, isn't possible.

If all you're doing is using gravity to replace rockets as your means of acceleration, you still run into some pretty hairy problems; most notably the fact that the more you accelerate, the more massive you become. You're still limited by lightspeed. Combined with the fact that you're using gravity to accelerate, you're very likely to arrive at your destination not as an intact ship, but as a burst of Hawking radiation.

The Alcubierre drive has some serious issues, but those are just hurdles to be overcome.

The second half of my drive is what I call a "temporal compensator" which is basically an anti-time machine that pushes the ship backwards in time exactly as much as the time-dilation effect, which makes the ship SEEM to travel faster than light, though it's really just keeping ship-time and home-planet-time synchronized. And increasing mass is irrelevant when gravity is the propulsion system, since by the very nature of gravity, acceleration is the constant, regardless of mass in the same gravity field. Witness the feather-and-hammer experiment on the moon.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 11, 2013, 07:50:05 pm
So the manuvering thrusters would have to be about as powerfull as a saturn rocket to avoid the detected object in four minutes  ???   ;D

You're forgetting the weight of the fuel, which would increase the mass of the ship by at least an order of magnitude.

Which is why rockets will not be taking us to the stars. They're just not effective enough.

That said, if you can muck about with gravity, then you have yourself an engine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive), which, as Redwood Elf stated, needn't worry about steering time. It can essentially turn on a dime, reverse direction, or just dodge around any obstacle without the passengers even spilling a drop of their drinks.

well that's not exactly the drive I was talking about...no negative gravity involved, just equal and opposite positive gravity fields, with the ship in a gravity field going in the direction you want it to go, and empty space in the opposing field.

The reason for equal and opposite fields is, if the overall field balances out, that should reduce the energy needed...the Alcubierre drive posits actually generating negative gravity, which has never been observed and, in all likelyhood, isn't possible.

If all you're doing is using gravity to replace rockets as your means of acceleration, you still run into some pretty hairy problems; most notably the fact that the more you accelerate, the more massive you become. You're still limited by lightspeed. Combined with the fact that you're using gravity to accelerate, you're very likely to arrive at your destination not as an intact ship, but as a burst of Hawking radiation.

The Alcubierre drive has some serious issues, but those are just hurdles to be overcome.

The second half of my drive is what I call a "temporal compensator" which is basically an anti-time machine that pushes the ship backwards in time exactly as much as the time-dilation effect, which makes the ship SEEM to travel faster than light, though it's really just keeping ship-time and home-planet-time synchronized. And increasing mass is irrelevant when gravity is the propulsion system, since by the very nature of gravity, acceleration is the constant, regardless of mass in the same gravity field. Witness the feather-and-hammer experiment on the moon.

Temporal compensators? Well, why don't you just use fairy dust, instead? Then you could just think happy thoughts, and you'd be there by morning. We're talking about devices actually allowed for in physics. No matter how ridiculous the power requirements, the Alcubierre drive at least doesn't require violating relativity.

And increasing mass is most definitely relevant, especially when using a gravity field as your propulsion. Sufficient mass, and as I said, you arrive at your destination as burst of Hawking radiation from the black hole you became at some point before your mass became infinite. When you are accelerating by pushing down on the space in front of you, you don't want to push too hard, or you'll push through.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on March 12, 2013, 12:28:41 am
And increasing mass is most definitely relevant, especially when using a gravity field as your propulsion. Sufficient mass, and as I said, you arrive at your destination as burst of Hawking radiation from the black hole you became at some point before your mass became infinite. When you are accelerating by pushing down on the space in front of you, you don't want to push too hard, or you'll push through.

With a gravity drive you can accelerate and decelerate virtually instantly, since when gravity is the only force acting on a closed system (like a spaceship) no forces are felt within that system (So there's not even any need for an "Inertial Damper" - nobody goes flying into the bulkheads since everything decelerates at the same rate, regardless of mass.

And you would only APPEAR to be more massive to something which your relative velocity was near C...and THEIR mass would appear massive to you. Speed is relative, which is the whole point, isn't it? To those on the ship everything appears perfectly normal, no self-forming singularities involved.

As for the probability of a Temoporal Compensator being possible, it's at least as possible (and probably moreso, since it doesn't actually attempt to violate causality) as a time machine that can travel backward in time, and this IS a science fiction related site, isn't it? (I do believe someone mentioned "Bloater drives" earlier, right?)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 12, 2013, 01:43:41 am
And increasing mass is most definitely relevant, especially when using a gravity field as your propulsion. Sufficient mass, and as I said, you arrive at your destination as burst of Hawking radiation from the black hole you became at some point before your mass became infinite. When you are accelerating by pushing down on the space in front of you, you don't want to push too hard, or you'll push through.

With a gravity drive you can accelerate and decelerate virtually instantly, since when gravity is the only force acting on a closed system (like a spaceship) no forces are felt within that system (So there's not even any need for an "Inertial Damper" - nobody goes flying into the bulkheads since everything decelerates at the same rate, regardless of mass.

And you would only APPEAR to be more massive to something which your relative velocity was near C...and THEIR mass would appear massive to you. Speed is relative, which is the whole point, isn't it? To those on the ship everything appears perfectly normal, no self-forming singularities involved.

As for the probability of a Temoporal Compensator being possible, it's at least as possible (and probably moreso, since it doesn't actually attempt to violate causality) as a time machine that can travel backward in time, and this IS a science fiction related site, isn't it? (I do believe someone mentioned "Bloater drives" earlier, right?)

I think it might be time for you to crack the spine on a physics text. The increase in mass is not "apparent," it is actual. And indeed, even after the gravity-increasing device has formed a black hole into which the ship immediately dived, the passengers experience nothing untoward. One of the unusual effects of a black hole is that to someone who falls in, it seems a smooth transition. The increased gravity is not felt by the passengers, they are,  as you say, in free-fall. They might experience the increased mass, however, making movement about the ship... interesting. However, to the observers, should there be any, the ship would approach a significant fraction of C, and then disappear in a burst of Hawking radiation.

As for the Temporal Compensator, you seem to have an odd conception of what happens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation) as an object approaches the speed of light. If you wanted to keep ship time consistent with a stationary time measurement, you would need to speed up time on the ship, not walk it backwards.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on March 12, 2013, 11:05:54 am

I think it might be time for you to crack the spine on a physics text. The increase in mass is not "apparent," it is actual. And indeed, even after the gravity-increasing device has formed a black hole into which the ship immediately dived, the passengers experience nothing untoward. One of the unusual effects of a black hole is that to someone who falls in, it seems a smooth transition. The increased gravity is not felt by the passengers, they are,  as you say, in free-fall. They might experience the increased mass, however, making movement about the ship... interesting. However, to the observers, should there be any, the ship would approach a significant fraction of C, and then disappear in a burst of Hawking radiation.

As for the Temporal Compensator, you seem to have an odd conception of what happens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation) as an object approaches the speed of light. If you wanted to keep ship time consistent with a stationary time measurement, you would need to speed up time on the ship, not walk it backwards.

It's only "actual" as measured from an arbitrary other position where the relative motion is near C. Perhaps you should review exactly what relativity means.

Let's say you and I are each moving at 0.4999 times C towards each other, past Tucci.

You think you're stationary and Tucci and I are moving. You measure Tucci's velocity at around 0.5 C, with appropriate increased "Mass" on your detector. You think I'm moving at near C, and measure a very large mass.

Tucci Thinks he is stationary, and measures both of us as moving at around 0.5 C towards him with appropriate larger mass measurements.

I think I'm stationary, and measure Tucci's velocity as 0.5 C, and yours at nearly C, with differing mass measurements.

Each of us sees our mass as "Normal" with the other two's mass being increased. That's all part of the weirdness of relativity.


Any one of us could match velocities with any of the others without incident, assuming we each had a gravity drive.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 12, 2013, 12:53:07 pm

I think it might be time for you to crack the spine on a physics text. The increase in mass is not "apparent," it is actual. And indeed, even after the gravity-increasing device has formed a black hole into which the ship immediately dived, the passengers experience nothing untoward. One of the unusual effects of a black hole is that to someone who falls in, it seems a smooth transition. The increased gravity is not felt by the passengers, they are,  as you say, in free-fall. They might experience the increased mass, however, making movement about the ship... interesting. However, to the observers, should there be any, the ship would approach a significant fraction of C, and then disappear in a burst of Hawking radiation.

As for the Temporal Compensator, you seem to have an odd conception of what happens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation) as an object approaches the speed of light. If you wanted to keep ship time consistent with a stationary time measurement, you would need to speed up time on the ship, not walk it backwards.

It's only "actual" as measured from an arbitrary other position where the relative motion is near C. Perhaps you should review exactly what relativity means.

Coming from someone who uses fairy dust to power their engine, this statement is quite amusing.

"The relativistic increase of mass happens in a way that makes it impossible to accelerate an object to light speed: The faster the object already is, the more difficult any further acceleration becomes. The closer the object's speed is to light speed, the greater the increase in inertial mass; to reach light speed exactly would require an infinitely strong force acting on the body. This enforces special relativity's speed limit: No material object can be accelerated to light speed.

The increase in inertial mass is part of a more general phenomenon, the relativistic equivalence of mass and energy: If one adds energy to a body, one automatically increases its mass; if one takes energy away from it, one decreases its mass. In the case of acceleration, the object in question gains kinetic energy ("movement energy"), and this increase in energy automatically means an increase in mass."

See http://www.einstein-online.info/elementary/specialRT/emc
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on March 12, 2013, 11:34:38 pm
Stop quoting things you apparently don't understand. Any object's velocity can only be measured RELATIVE to other objects.  There is no "universal motionless point" from which you can measure absolute velocity. In fact, there is no such THING as absolute velocity. The measured mass increase only occurs when measured from a vantage that is moving at a significantly different velocity from the object being observed.

Neither observer nor observed can be said to be immobile, though each could "Think" of itself as immobile.

Time dilation is what makes it possible for two objects moving towards each other past a third object from opposite directions with relative velocities of, say, 0.9999 C, to still measure relative velocities of each other as less than C.

And again, as stated before, mass increase has no effect on the acceleration of a gravity based drive. Gravity is not "Fairy Dust" - Gravity is an observable phenomenon. The Temporal compensator doesn't move the ship, it only counteracts time dilation, and Time Machines are definitely Science Fiction. If you can't tell the difference between Sci Fi and Fantasy, well that's your problem of course.

Now if I'd said a magical Djinni teleports the ship around, THAT would be magic.

Maybe a simplified explaination will help you. Go to Amazon.com and look up Larry Gonick's "Cartoon Guide to Physics" and check out the chapter on relativity...maybe that will clear it up for you.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 12, 2013, 11:47:52 pm
Maybe a simplified explaination will help you. Go to Amazon.com and look up Larry Gonick's "Cartoon Guide to Physics" and check out the chapter on relativity...maybe that will clear it up for you.

There's your problem, you're relying on cartoon physics books for dummies.

Open a real physics book, and come back.  :-*
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on March 13, 2013, 06:23:09 pm
Maybe a simplified explaination will help you. Go to Amazon.com and look up Larry Gonick's "Cartoon Guide to Physics" and check out the chapter on relativity...maybe that will clear it up for you.

There's your problem, you're relying on cartoon physics books for dummies.

Open a real physics book, and come back.  :-*

No, I'm suggesting a simplified version of the explanation that you might be able to understand better than you apparently understand real physics books. While LG's book follows the "Rule of Funny", the actual physics described in them are, on the whole, accurate as far as the descriptions go.

Nice attempt at the Strawman falacy, though...attack some minor point that seems easy to refute, rather than the actual arguments. Just because I've read Larry Gonick doesn't mean I consider it to be the final word...it just has easy to understand explanations.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

If someone DID write the drivel that you turn into a black hole if you travel too fast in a "Real" physics text book, everything in that book is highly suspect...as much as the people who thought you would explode if you exceeded the speed of sound.  They clearly don't understand it themselves.

Write the author, and ask them to please define the frame of reference in which you turn into a black hole if you move near C relative to it. Their answer should be really hilarious.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 13, 2013, 07:08:17 pm
If someone DID write the drivel that you turn into a black hole if you travel too fast in a "Real" physics text book, everything in that book is highly suspect...as much as the people who thought you would explode if you exceeded the speed of sound. 

OK, let me see if I can explain:
Let's take this:

"The increase in inertial mass is part of a more general phenomenon, the relativistic equivalence of mass and energy: If one adds energy to a body, one automatically increases its mass; if one takes energy away from it, one decreases its mass. In the case of acceleration, the object in question gains kinetic energy ("movement energy"), and this increase in energy automatically means an increase in mass."

And add in the fact that you are using a local increase in gravity to power your ship.

Now, what is a black hole? It is a point where the gravity and mass of an object has increased to the point where not even light can escape it's attraction.

You are placing something in a gravitational field, and increasing it's kinetic energy by a very great deal. This, as previously explained, increases it's mass. So, you have a gravity field, and an increasingly massive object. Oh, and how do you increase acceleration, btw? You increase the gravity gradient.

So, extremely massive object, falling into a gravity gradient... you won't necessarily make a black hole, but this sure seems to point toward one resulting from stepping on the gas too hard. (If you can point to something which proves your point, or disproves mine, please do) Bottom line is, this is not a faster than light drive. Might be good for an in-system drive, but not interstellar.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on March 13, 2013, 09:36:10 pm
Redwood Elf is correct on the point that mass only increases from the point of view of an observer at your destination (or other reference frame moving near light speed to yours).  And the same goes for time dilation.  If you are on that near light speed rocket, the more you accelerate, the shorter the apparent distance to your destination.  So, from your point of view, while you can't seem to go any faster than c, there is less distance to cover, and you get there quicker.  You can make the journey arbitrarily quickly (from your point of view) by accelerating more.   Pretend light speed is 20mph, and you are on a bicycle.   No matter how hard you pedal, you can't get over 20mph.  However, as you pedal really hard, the buildings along the road get thinner and thinner in the direction you are going, and the distance to the building you are headed for gets shorter - so that you arrive in very little time.  Except that you are still an hour late for your meeting, because while you arrived in less than a minute by your watch, the clock on the tower at your destination inexplicably sped up, so that it swept out an hour.  (We'll leave out the blue color shift in this little tale.)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 14, 2013, 01:32:21 am
Pretend light speed is 20mph, and you are on a bicycle.   No matter how hard you pedal, you can't get over 20mph.

Except here, we're not "pedaling," we're coasting downhill. That adds an interesting wrinkle in that the acceleration is constant, no matter what we do. What happens, coasting like this, as we near 20 mph?

I gotta admit, I have no clue. Do we stop accelerating, somehow? Do we keep accelerating, right on past 20? Do we start tearing up the road? I don't know. More to the point, I can't find any information which says what might happen.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on March 14, 2013, 06:20:39 am
Pretend light speed is 20mph, and you are on a bicycle.   No matter how hard you pedal, you can't get over 20mph.

Except here, we're not "pedaling," we're coasting downhill. That adds an interesting wrinkle in that the acceleration is constant, no matter what we do. What happens, coasting like this, as we near 20 mph?


The same as any other form of acceleration (first principle of general relativity: gravity is indistinguishable from any other acceleration).  The distance to your destination that you observe gets smaller and smaller.  Any "clock towers" in the reference frame of your destination that you observe spin around faster and faster (one "clock tower" being the wavelength of light that you observer - the stars will get purple, then ultra-violet, then gamma, then...).  In the limit, the history of the universe would seem an instant, and the entire expanse of the universe a flat plane perpendicular to your motion.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 14, 2013, 12:15:21 pm
Pretend light speed is 20mph, and you are on a bicycle.   No matter how hard you pedal, you can't get over 20mph.

Except here, we're not "pedaling," we're coasting downhill. That adds an interesting wrinkle in that the acceleration is constant, no matter what we do. What happens, coasting like this, as we near 20 mph?


The same as any other form of acceleration (first principle of general relativity: gravity is indistinguishable from any other acceleration).  The distance to your destination that you observe gets smaller and smaller.  Any "clock towers" in the reference frame of your destination that you observe spin around faster and faster (one "clock tower" being the wavelength of light that you observer - the stars will get purple, then ultra-violet, then gamma, then...).  In the limit, the history of the universe would seem an instant, and the entire expanse of the universe a flat plane perpendicular to your motion.

OK, that's great, that describes our perspective, but that doesn't give us any indication what has happened from an external reference frame. The same thing would happen, from our perspective, had we dived into a black hole.

We're "falling" into our little one-g hole that we bring along with us everywhere, accelerating at 9.8 m/s2. What happens, from an observer's perspective, the second after we reach 299,792,449m/s? If we stop accelerating at 299,792,457m/s, what "drag" is acting contrary to the gravitational force in front of us?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on March 15, 2013, 12:02:09 am
Pretend light speed is 20mph, and you are on a bicycle.   No matter how hard you pedal, you can't get over 20mph.

Except here, we're not "pedaling," we're coasting downhill. That adds an interesting wrinkle in that the acceleration is constant, no matter what we do. What happens, coasting like this, as we near 20 mph?


The same as any other form of acceleration (first principle of general relativity: gravity is indistinguishable from any other acceleration).  The distance to your destination that you observe gets smaller and smaller.  Any "clock towers" in the reference frame of your destination that you observe spin around faster and faster (one "clock tower" being the wavelength of light that you observer - the stars will get purple, then ultra-violet, then gamma, then...).  In the limit, the history of the universe would seem an instant, and the entire expanse of the universe a flat plane perpendicular to your motion.

OK, that's great, that describes our perspective, but that doesn't give us any indication what has happened from an external reference frame. The same thing would happen, from our perspective, had we dived into a black hole.

We're "falling" into our little one-g hole that we bring along with us everywhere, accelerating at 9.8 m/s2. What happens, from an observer's perspective, the second after we reach 299,792,449m/s? If we stop accelerating at 299,792,457m/s, what "drag" is acting contrary to the gravitational force in front of us?
From the perspective of the destination (to pick an external reference frame that is fairly clear), your speed is getting closer and closer to c, but with exponentially decreasing acceleration.  This is because your mass (as seen by the observer at the destination) increases instead of your speed.  At the same time, you appear flatter and flatter to the observer you are approaching.

Now, the Star Trek speculation (which I'm sure you are driving at) is that if only you have enough energy onboard, and an efficient way to convert that energy/mass to velocity (say with matter/antimatter reactor pods and a warp drive),  then your apparent density (as seen by your destination) becomes great enough to create a singularity (like a black hole).  And since a singularity means our mathematical model breaks down, then the universe must obey our broken mathematics and allow you to break the cosmic speed limit - even though we don't know what that means, especially in terms of causality (although it doubles as a great time travel plot device).   The sound barrier is cited as historic precedent - and that worked out pretty well.  And, in fact, we can work out a little: you become unobservable to the destination, apparently disappearing into a flat black hole.   Somehow, your warp drive is able to reverse the singularity (instead of you and it getting eaten like with other black holes), and you abruptly reappear near your destination going just under c, and must now expend the rest of your enormous energy reserves slowing down enough to orbit a planet.

A more mathematically rigorous speculation is the Alcubierre Drive - which critics describe as "better at destroying star systems than getting from point A to point B", a reference to the (literally) astronomical energy (and negative energy) requirements.  A more hopeful description is here: http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: myrkul999 on March 15, 2013, 02:12:55 am
Pretend light speed is 20mph, and you are on a bicycle.   No matter how hard you pedal, you can't get over 20mph.

Except here, we're not "pedaling," we're coasting downhill. That adds an interesting wrinkle in that the acceleration is constant, no matter what we do. What happens, coasting like this, as we near 20 mph?


The same as any other form of acceleration (first principle of general relativity: gravity is indistinguishable from any other acceleration).  The distance to your destination that you observe gets smaller and smaller.  Any "clock towers" in the reference frame of your destination that you observe spin around faster and faster (one "clock tower" being the wavelength of light that you observer - the stars will get purple, then ultra-violet, then gamma, then...).  In the limit, the history of the universe would seem an instant, and the entire expanse of the universe a flat plane perpendicular to your motion.

OK, that's great, that describes our perspective, but that doesn't give us any indication what has happened from an external reference frame. The same thing would happen, from our perspective, had we dived into a black hole.

We're "falling" into our little one-g hole that we bring along with us everywhere, accelerating at 9.8 m/s2. What happens, from an observer's perspective, the second after we reach 299,792,449m/s? If we stop accelerating at 299,792,457m/s, what "drag" is acting contrary to the gravitational force in front of us?
From the perspective of the destination (to pick an external reference frame that is fairly clear), your speed is getting closer and closer to c, but with exponentially decreasing acceleration.  This is because your mass (as seen by the observer at the destination) increases instead of your speed.  At the same time, you appear flatter and flatter to the observer you are approaching.

Now, the Star Trek speculation (which I'm sure you are driving at) is that if only you have enough energy onboard, and an efficient way to convert that energy/mass to velocity (say with matter/antimatter reactor pods and a warp drive),  then your apparent density (as seen by your destination) becomes great enough to create a singularity (like a black hole).  And since a singularity means our mathematical model breaks down, then the universe must obey our broken mathematics and allow you to break the cosmic speed limit - even though we don't know what that means, especially in terms of causality (although it doubles as a great time travel plot device).   The sound barrier is cited as historic precedent - and that worked out pretty well.  And, in fact, we can work out a little: you become unobservable to the destination, apparently disappearing into a flat black hole.   

This sounds suspiciously like exactly what I was saying.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on March 15, 2013, 09:14:17 am

I haven't been closely following this thread, so this may have already been posted,
if not, here is a Popular Science article on the...

Alcubierre Warp Drive (http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-03/faster-light-drive)

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on March 15, 2013, 09:47:51 am

This sounds suspiciously like exactly what I was saying.

Yes, you were both right.  But Redwood Elf was describing well established fact, whereas a singularity means the mathematical model failed - you divided by zero.  Relativity can't say anything about what happens behind the event horizon of a black hole - and you can't be really sure about the black hole itself, because singularities, like dividing by zero, means your model is incomplete.   String theory avoids the singularity, but doesn't predict much of anything yet. 

One insight of the digital age is that prohibitive energy requirements for FTL spaceships don't prevent FTL physics from having an immediate revolutionary economic effect.  If you can create a nano-sized Alcubierre bubble with a data packet, or a nano-sized light traversable wormhole (which can be carried via probe to distant parts of the Solar system), you will have near instant communication between Earth and Mars, for instance, or Earth and Neptune.

I personally think a net of nano-sized wormholes more likely than the tangle-net of EFT.   I can see a factory churning out subspace modem pairs, each encapsulating an atom sized wormhole and optical data laser to shine through it.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on March 16, 2013, 02:15:04 am
And increasing mass is most definitely relevant, especially when using a gravity field as your propulsion. Sufficient mass, and as I said, you arrive at your destination as burst of Hawking radiation from the black hole you became at some point before your mass became infinite. When you are accelerating by pushing down on the space in front of you, you don't want to push too hard, or you'll push through.

With a gravity drive you can accelerate and decelerate virtually instantly, since when gravity is the only force acting on a closed system (like a spaceship) no forces are felt within that system (So there's not even any need for an "Inertial Damper" - nobody goes flying into the bulkheads since everything decelerates at the same rate, regardless of mass.

And you would only APPEAR to be more massive to something which your relative velocity was near C...and THEIR mass would appear massive to you. Speed is relative, which is the whole point, isn't it? To those on the ship everything appears perfectly normal, no self-forming singularities involved.

As for the probability of a Temoporal Compensator being possible, it's at least as possible (and probably moreso, since it doesn't actually attempt to violate causality) as a time machine that can travel backward in time, and this IS a science fiction related site, isn't it? (I do believe someone mentioned "Bloater drives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill%2C_the_Galactic_Hero#Bloater_Drive)" earlier, right?)

Ok R E,  I'll work it this way for you.

I'll treat your "Gravity Drive" as a reality defined briefly and simply as possible to be a plot element in any Sci Fi world of YOUR creation.  But you need to stop trying to explain it in detail using physics from the NONFICTION world, that only allows annoying people like us to poke holes in your universe.  ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sieggy on March 16, 2013, 06:26:05 pm
Interesting piece on the fact that Quantum Entanglement is considerably faster than light - http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arclight on June 24, 2013, 11:40:31 am
Hi all, just picked up reading Quantum Vibe this morning and am pleasantly surprised at how well written it is, how intricate the plot has become, and the the depth of the characters. I do have to say that some of the references has led me to Google on more than one occasion (still not sure about the Milton as a form of currency - only reference that makes a kind of sense is Milton Friedman; kind of a stretch, but I'm not really up on my early 20th cent. economists). I have to ask, though, about augrams - is that shorthand for Au Grams, as in units based on one gram of gold? Would civilization really revert back to a gold standard once new resources were all but certain, but the amounts and difficulty on procuring it would be most uncertain causing the futures markets to be highly volatile? This is not a thinly veiled attack on the system that has been put into place, but merely an honest question since there it is evident that much thought has been put into the world making for this creation (true body modification, synthetic humans, artificial life, AI rights, language barriers, culture clash, imperfect technologies, etc) that I would truly like some insight into what has obviously been thought out; or at least has a framework of an ideal behind the scenes. 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on June 24, 2013, 12:54:20 pm
(still not sure about the Milton as a form of currency - only reference that makes a kind of sense is Milton Friedman; kind of a stretch, but I'm not really up on my early 20th cent. economists).

Yep, it's Friedman to whom reference is made.  Not a "stretch" at all when you understand that he'd been a monetarist and therefore a purveyor of the notion that the chronic and unending issue of fiat ("legal counterfeit") currency at a steady rate could not only be tolerated by a society but was also - how in the hell? - supposed to be salubrious for an economy.

Systematized government theft of value by fraud, the institutionalization of criminality as an allegedly "legitimate" instrument of government policy fostering ever-worsening debauchment of the authorized medium of exchange (foreclosing transactions and savings denominated in alternative media) for some kind of purpose beyond predation....

Well, no.  Just predation.

See the Ludwig von Mises Institute extract of a chapter from David Stockman's The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America (http://mises.org/daily/6455/Unshackling-the-Fed) which addresses Friedman's "Rule of Fixed Money Supply Growth" among the other liabilities of the monetarists.

I have to ask, though, about augrams - is that shorthand for Au Grams, as in units based on one gram of gold? Would civilization really revert back to a gold standard once new resources were all but certain, but the amounts and difficulty on procuring it would be most uncertain causing the futures markets to be highly volatile?

Yeah, I've made mention in these fora about how such a monetary unit - and it's gold, all right - based upon physical quantities of a commodity metal could bounce all to hellangone around the place once extraterrestrial resources became accessible to increasingly effective means of mining and refining, but what's unarguable is the appreciation that by making the unit of account and medium of exchange manifest in a real substance not susceptible to counterfeiting quite effectively privatizes money so that government thugs cannot foist their fiat crap upon the people they allegedly "serve and protect" except in limited venues, such as Luna.

Which is a polity in the process of committing suicide. 

You got some kind of objection to that?  Okay.  On what grounds?

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sven on August 27, 2013, 10:13:17 am
New reader here. I stumbled across the comic by accident, read the whole archives yesterday, and I'm enjoying it tremendously. This is exactly the kind of world-building sci-fi that I like to read a lot; I always enjoy seeing depictions of how society might change due to technology, which is done very well here (though I do think the idea of Luna adopting lolspeak is a bit far-fetched), and the characters and writing are good too.

I do have to wonder how the alternate universes bit will be handled, and whether the author ever really intends to show that (or if the successful completion of this mission is the end of the story). In any case, I expect that it will be a fair number of years before that would even be a concern.

It's also fun to pick out references to other SF works and real-world spaceflight. I'm kind of proud that I figured out what the S.A. year count was (what the letters stood for and why) before it was explained in the comic (only two comics before it was explained, but that was the first time an AD date was given for an S.A. year, allowing me to calculate what the start of the calendar was, and any calendar that starts in the year Sputnik was launched has to be Space Age).  ;D
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: johca on August 27, 2013, 11:41:55 am
Been following the story line for some time.  Enjoy it very much.  Figured I'd put a comment or two in the forums as some here evidently believe heat generated by any object entering the atmosphere is generated by friction.   ;)   Also the same people seem unaware terminal velocity generated by gravitational pull requires an atmospheric density of some sort.  If no atmosphere there is acceleration until impact with a solid surface the larger massive object generating the gravitational force.

Being a paramedic for 23 years and also involved with the rescue of astronauts for 23 years I also know a bit about inertia and the notion of objects within an object decelerates at the same rate regardless of mass is inaccurate.  If accurate and correct there would be no need for seat belts and air bags.

Anyhow I enjoy the story line and no need to change any the technical stuff as I enjoy the characters and the story line and am not here for the science.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on August 28, 2013, 12:21:22 am
Welcome and welcome, Sven and jonca.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on August 28, 2013, 12:56:57 am
I'm kind of proud that I figured out what the S.A. year count was (what the letters stood for and why) before it was explained in the comic (only two comics before it was explained, but that was the first time an AD date was given for an S.A. year, allowing me to calculate what the start of the calendar was, and any calendar that starts in the year Sputnik was launched has to be Space Age).

Well, considering that it was explicitly stated in the first panel of Quantum Vibe's first page (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=1) ("2523 C.E., 566 S.A., L-5 City:"), there's a limit to how proud you should feel. 

I'm one of those who has voiced the opinion that the political correctness of the "Common Era" (C.E.) substitution for Anno Domini (A.D.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini#CE_and_BCE) is odiously affected, and deserving of condemnation wherever it pustulates. 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Sven on August 30, 2013, 03:07:19 pm
I'm kind of proud that I figured out what the S.A. year count was (what the letters stood for and why) before it was explained in the comic (only two comics before it was explained, but that was the first time an AD date was given for an S.A. year, allowing me to calculate what the start of the calendar was, and any calendar that starts in the year Sputnik was launched has to be Space Age).

Well, considering that it was explicitly stated in the first panel of Quantum Vibe's first page (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=1) ("2523 C.E., 566 S.A., L-5 City:"), there's a limit to how proud you should feel.
Well, at least I got it the first time I noticed a normal date given for an S.A. year.  ::)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on September 06, 2013, 10:15:42 pm

I'm one of those who has voiced the opinion that the political correctness of the "Common Era" (C.E.) substitution for Anno Domini (A.D.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini#CE_and_BCE) is odiously affected, and deserving of condemnation wherever it pustulates. 

When I was in the 6th Grade, my teacher informed the class that the letters "A.D." stood for "After Death" (ref. to the death of Jesus). I stood up and said "No, it stands for the Latin words 'Anno Domini' which means 'In the year of Our Lord.'" I got a detention for embarrassing the teacher. This may have been an early step on my road to becoming a libertarian. But as far as I'm concerned fuck Anno Domini, I'm not a Christian so he's not my Lord, and I'm gonna call it "C.E." for either "Common Era" or "Christian Era," take your pick, and tough shit if you don't like it.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on September 13, 2013, 10:06:21 am
I'm one of those who has voiced the opinion that the political correctness of the "Common Era" (C.E.) substitution for Anno Domini (A.D.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini#CE_and_BCE) is odiously affected, and deserving of condemnation wherever it pustulates. 

When I was in the 6th Grade, my teacher informed the class that the letters "A.D." stood for "After Death" (ref. to the death of Jesus). I stood up and said "No, it stands for the Latin words 'Anno Domini' which means 'In the year of Our Lord.'" I got a detention for embarrassing the teacher. This may have been an early step on my road to becoming a libertarian. But as far as I'm concerned fuck Anno Domini, I'm not a Christian so he's not my Lord, and I'm gonna call it "C.E." for either "Common Era (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era)" or "Christian Era," take your pick, and tough shit if you don't like it.

As you prefer.

Of course, you realize that this "C.E." bullshit still dates from the year in which the Galilean Carpenter is figured to have first drawn breath in Bethlehem, right?

Therefore - "not a Christian, so he's not my Lord" notwithstanding - you're nonetheless using a method predicated upon the dogma of that particular religion.

Care to consider using Anno Urbis Conditae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_urbe_condita) (A.U.C.) as an alternative? 

Or the modern Hebrew calendar (Anno Mundi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Mundi))? 

The Mayans' work?  Something from China?

Your problem is that all the options (insofar as I've been able to determine) involve some kind of belief system predicated on a Great Sky Pixie.

Or a whole squadron of 'em. 

And "tough shit if you don't like it." 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on September 14, 2013, 04:17:55 am
I'm one of those who has voiced the opinion that the political correctness of the "Common Era" (C.E.) substitution for Anno Domini (A.D.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini#CE_and_BCE) is odiously affected, and deserving of condemnation wherever it pustulates. 

When I was in the 6th Grade, my teacher informed the class that the letters "A.D." stood for "After Death" (ref. to the death of Jesus). I stood up and said "No, it stands for the Latin words 'Anno Domini' which means 'In the year of Our Lord.'" I got a detention for embarrassing the teacher. This may have been an early step on my road to becoming a libertarian. But as far as I'm concerned fuck Anno Domini, I'm not a Christian so he's not my Lord, and I'm gonna call it "C.E." for either "Common Era (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era)" or "Christian Era," take your pick, and tough shit if you don't like it.

As you prefer.

Of course, you realize that this "C.E." bullshit still dates from the year in which the Galilean Carpenter is figured to have first drawn breath in Bethlehem, right?

Therefore - "not a Christian, so he's not my Lord" notwithstanding - you're nonetheless using a method predicated upon the dogma of that particular religion.

Care to consider using Anno Urbis Conditae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_urbe_condita) (A.U.C.) as an alternative? 

Or the modern Hebrew calendar (Anno Mundi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Mundi))? 

The Mayans' work?  Something from China?

Your problem is that all the options (insofar as I've been able to determine) involve some kind of belief system predicated on a Great Sky Pixie.

Or a whole squadron of 'em. 

And "tough shit if you don't like it." 

How about a much simpler answer that removes the exclusive nod to one religion, the annoying BC/AD "Era conversion math," plus looks really cool with the additional 520 years tacked on..   

It is the proposed Holocene calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_calendar)   

Our current year is simply, 12013 HE.  That would place the beginning of QV Volume 1 at, 12523 HE.

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on September 14, 2013, 07:19:08 am
I'm one of those who has voiced the opinion that the political correctness of the "Common Era" (C.E.) substitution for Anno Domini (A.D.) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini#CE_and_BCE) is odiously affected, and deserving of condemnation wherever it pustulates.  

When I was in the 6th Grade, my teacher informed the class that the letters "A.D." stood for "After Death" (ref. to the death of Jesus). I stood up and said "No, it stands for the Latin words 'Anno Domini' which means 'In the year of Our Lord.'" I got a detention for embarrassing the teacher. This may have been an early step on my road to becoming a libertarian. But as far as I'm concerned fuck Anno Domini, I'm not a Christian so he's not my Lord, and I'm gonna call it "C.E." for either "Common Era (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era)" or "Christian Era," take your pick, and tough shit if you don't like it.

As you prefer.

Of course, you realize that this "C.E." bullshit still dates from the year in which the Galilean Carpenter is figured to have first drawn breath in Bethlehem, right?

Therefore - "not a Christian, so he's not my Lord" notwithstanding - you're nonetheless using a method predicated upon the dogma of that particular religion.

Care to consider using Anno Urbis Conditae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ab_urbe_condita) (A.U.C.) as an alternative?  

Or the modern Hebrew calendar (Anno Mundi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Mundi))?  

The Mayans' work?  Something from China?

Your problem is that all the options (insofar as I've been able to determine) involve some kind of belief system predicated on a Great Sky Pixie.

Or a whole squadron of 'em.  

And "tough shit if you don't like it."  

How about a much simpler answer that removes the exclusive nod to one religion, the annoying BC/AD "Era conversion math," plus looks really cool with the additional 520 years tacked on..  

It is the proposed Holocene calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_calendar)    

Our current year is simply, 12013 HE.  That would place the beginning of QV Volume 1 at, 12523 HE.

I like it.  Big, big numbers - awkward and difficult - arbitrary as all hell because with every advance in archeoanthropology we're always getting increases in precision and accuracy in dating methods that're bound to make of Cesare Emiliani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Emiliani)'s suppositions every bit as much of a fatuity as are those of Bishop Ussher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher)....

But still hinging inexorably upon the purported birth year of the Nazarene Rabblerouser.  

Tsk.

Wouldn't something like H. Beam Piper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Beam_Piper)'s "Atomic Era" (A.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Beam_Piper#Terro-Human_Future_History)) do the job of divorcing us from ghostly taint a helluva lot better?

Quote from: Wiki-friggin'-pedia
The Terro-Human Future History is Piper's detailed account of the next 6000 years of human history. 1942, the year the first fission reactor was constructed, is defined as the year 1 A.E. (Atomic Era).

Surely, Enrico Fermi's success under the University of Chicago's Stagg Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagg_Field) provides a much more reliable "date certain" to mark the progression of mankind from mere kinetic, chemical and biological weaponry to the technology by dint of which we can today make "Liberal" BANANA Luddites scream and sputter and jump up and down in howling rage.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on September 14, 2013, 08:01:43 am
Well, one advantage in using the CE/BCE system is that you don't have the massive problems of changing all the year dates in computer and dead tree files, the massive problems of convincing/forcing everybody to use the new year dates, etc.
 
IMO you'd need a totalitarian system to do so and such a system isn't one that anybody here would like.
 
I'd note that Scott has said that the in-universe change over to the "Space Age" date system was extremely "interesting".
 
It can be fun to talk about different date systems but don't forget the question of "how do we change to the "improved" date system".
 
 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on September 14, 2013, 04:33:59 pm
Remember the French Revolution. They cut loose from the old Georgian calender and started their own. And dumped it a few years later, despite being a totalitarian system. Too many details got missed. A ten day week meant extra work days and since there were few non-Christians except among the elite, Sunday still had to be served up every seventh day. The names of the days and months were criticized as Eurocentric and unsuitable for the seasons in the French colonies.  And I though that sort of gripe was a 20th Century invention.
 
Of course the whole thing was done in haste by a committee, so it met the expectations of the pessimists better than the optimists had hoped.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on September 14, 2013, 08:08:27 pm
True and imagine the "fun and games" if somebody tried to force everybody on Earth to change.  ;)


Remember the French Revolution. They cut loose from the old Georgian calender and started their own. And dumped it a few years later, despite being a totalitarian system. Too many details got missed. A ten day week meant extra work days and since there were few non-Christians except among the elite, Sunday still had to be served up every seventh day. The names of the days and months were criticized as Eurocentric and unsuitable for the seasons in the French colonies.  And I though that sort of gripe was a 20th Century invention.
 
Of course the whole thing was done in haste by a committee, so it met the expectations of the pessimists better than the optimists had hoped.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on September 14, 2013, 10:31:08 pm
As far as I can see, the new "calendar" is unix time - seconds since Jan 1 1970, 0:00 GMT.  It doesn't care about timezones, planetary rotation speed, or cultural preferences.  Your computer can display it in whatever calendar format suits your fancy (including the raw number - I write this at 1379214955.1390619).  In addition to the traditional Gregorian, Greek Orthodox, Arabic, and Hebrew calendars, there are the Mayan, Stardate, and other geeky choices.  To start a flame war, ask whether local time should account for leap seconds  (there is approx. 30 secs difference between UTC and GMT).   But for all the arguments about the preferred way to display it, the time stamp it self is simple, unambiguous, future proof (as long as you can stay in contact with the Greenwich  frame of reference), and already ubiquitous for electronic communication.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on September 14, 2013, 11:21:03 pm
As far as I can see, the new "calendar" is unix time - seconds since Jan 1 1970, 0:00 GMT. [...]

Bah.

Quote from: Douglas Adams
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on September 15, 2013, 12:38:41 am
I cautiously suggest a Curmudgeon Calander. Day 1, Month 1 Year Zero is your birth date. All time after is AC (After Curmudgeon). All time before is PC. And I drop the whole idea like it's hot.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on September 15, 2013, 08:19:29 am
LOL  ;D

I cautiously suggest a Curmudgeon Calander. Day 1, Month 1 Year Zero is your birth date. All time after is AC (After Curmudgeon). All time before is PC. And I drop the whole idea like it's hot.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on September 15, 2013, 06:34:42 pm
I cautiously suggest a Curmudgeon Calander. Day 1, Month 1 Year Zero is your birth date. All time after is AC (After Curmudgeon). All time before is PC. And I drop the whole idea like it's hot.

There is only, DC (During Curmudgeon).  Anything before that is hearsay and anything after is imaginary.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on September 16, 2013, 01:32:56 am
Given that computers can coordinate activities based on an internal calender that can be displayed in any form the user can talk someone into programming, Why not a very personal calender? Date forms are Pre-Me, Me and (if needed) After-Me. Like the old regnal calender by for the commoners.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on September 16, 2013, 11:16:40 am
If everybody had such a "personal calendar", things could be interesting in coordinating get-togethers especially if the communications were done by voice-communications not electronic communications.

If I don't know your personal calendar and you don't know mine, it would be harder to say when we were to meet.
 

Given that computers can coordinate activities based on an internal calender that can be displayed in any form the user can talk someone into programming, Why not a very personal calender? Date forms are Pre-Me, Me and (if needed) After-Me. Like the old regnal calender by for the commoners.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on September 16, 2013, 07:54:32 pm
If everybody had such a "personal calendar", things could be interesting in coordinating get-togethers especially if the communications were done by voice-communications not electronic communications.

If I don't know your personal calendar and you don't know mine, it would be harder to say when we were to meet.
 

Given that computers can coordinate activities based on an internal calender that can be displayed in any form the user can talk someone into programming, Why not a very personal calender? Date forms are Pre-Me, Me and (if needed) After-Me. Like the old regnal calender by for the commoners.

I was sleepy while I was posting this. There's a sentence or two missing. You're right, individuals would need to coordinate calenders. I think of this system as all computer based. When you need to set up a meeting or other event. The computers involved translate the dates and times to personal. Being traditional I would see "6PM, Friday Sep 13" to someone more daring it's "2AW GoofOff Soggy 10" (AW=After Work). Like the Revolutionary calender, it needs refinement.  ::)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Oneil on September 17, 2013, 04:37:00 am
If everybody had such a "personal calendar", things could be interesting in coordinating get-togethers especially if the communications were done by voice-communications not electronic communications.

If I don't know your personal calendar and you don't know mine, it would be harder to say when we were to meet.
 

Given that computers can coordinate activities based on an internal calender that can be displayed in any form the user can talk someone into programming, Why not a very personal calender? Date forms are Pre-Me, Me and (if needed) After-Me. Like the old regnal calender by for the commoners.

I was sleepy while I was posting this. There's a sentence or two missing. You're right, individuals would need to coordinate calenders. I think of this system as all computer based. When you need to set up a meeting or other event. The computers involved translate the dates and times to personal. Being traditional I would see "6PM, Friday Sep 13" to someone more daring it's "2AW GoofOff Soggy 10" (AW=After Work). Like the Revolutionary calender, it needs refinement.  ::)

"Harrumph! Harrumph!" (http://youtu.be/nUk42TYdP0I)
Outside of Redmond, not many stand up and wave a Me Generation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_generation) banner and propose that much computer software bloat.

As far as I can see, the new "calendar" is unix time - seconds since Jan 1 1970, 0:00 GMT.  It doesn't care about timezones, planetary rotation speed, or cultural preferences.  Your computer can display it in whatever calendar format suits your fancy (including the raw number - I write this at 1379214955.1390619).  In addition to the traditional Gregorian, Greek Orthodox, Arabic, and Hebrew calendars, there are the Mayan, Stardate, and other geeky choices.  To start a flame war, ask whether local time should account for leap seconds  (there is approx. 30 secs difference between UTC and GMT).   But for all the arguments about the preferred way to display it, the time stamp it self is simple, unambiguous, future proof (as long as you can stay in contact with the Greenwich  frame of reference), and already ubiquitous for electronic communication.

For now, change outside of fiction is just that..  Seen others argue "the majority" will still be in place to demand the Gregorian as late as 2200.  Personally like to believe space colonization will obsolete it long before that date, The Gregorian and all other current methods we have are tied to events at Earth orbit.  So when mankind does finally live in quantity in colonies throughout the solar system the calendar will be forced to change, I hope it would be based on something astronomically significant with an exact recorded date noted around the world in historical time and use that as zero point for the new system. 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on October 03, 2013, 09:00:49 am
Well it really depends on whether or not a superluminal drive is discovered. So long as humanity is limited to the solar system, "Earth Years" will probably remain the standard, and "Local Years" in other star systems would be based on the orbital period of the local inhabited world most likely, while they will probably still try to keep track of the current Earth Year to synchronize communications.

If a Superluminal drive is created, THEN a new Calender would probably result, since each star system will not be essentially on its own due to 20+ year travel times between stars.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ChronicallyInsane on December 13, 2013, 03:57:38 pm
Hey all, I stumbled upon this comic when browsing an unrelated forum. 
Following my discovery, I read the entire available material in one night.  It seems I am hopelessly addicted to the plot line, so I'm coming here to discuss my evolution into complete and utter fandom.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on December 13, 2013, 04:13:30 pm

Hi insane one, welcome to the club!

I once thought to write a book... "Everybody's Crazy"

Did you start with book one, where Nicole is riding in her bub talking to her mom?

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on December 13, 2013, 04:15:46 pm
Hey all, I stumbled upon this comic when browsing an unrelated forum.  Following my discovery, I read the entire available material in one night.  It seems I am hopelessly addicted to the plot line, so I'm coming here to discuss my evolution into complete and utter fandom.

Fool!  You could've escaped!  You could have fled, instantly, from the seductive coils of this craftily creative pit of ensnarement, but no, not you! 

You will rue the day, I conjure! Rue, I say!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ChronicallyInsane on December 13, 2013, 04:46:53 pm

Hi insane one, welcome to the club!

I once thought to write a book... "Everybody's Crazy"

Did you start with book one, where Nicole is riding in her bub talking to her mom?




Yes like I've said, I've read EVERYTHING.. From start to the dread pirate Jesus.  Wow, is anyone else filled with such utter anticipation for the plot line to continue?  (Much faster than normal that is..)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on December 14, 2013, 08:22:28 am
Hey, I'm pushing this hamster wheel as fast as I can!
 :P
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: ChronicallyInsane on December 14, 2013, 10:10:46 am
Hey, I'm pushing this hamster wheel as fast as I can!
 :P
Ah the creator, thanks so much for making this on such a consistent basis.  I believe it would be an understatement to say that I appreciate your efforts.  
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on December 15, 2013, 10:17:38 am
Hey, I'm pushing this hamster wheel as fast as I can!
 :P
Ah the creator, thanks so much for making this on such a consistent basis.  I believe it would be an understatement to say that I appreciate your efforts.  

Welcome to the forum where the nuts hunt the squirrels. You look like you'll fit right in.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tanegar on January 21, 2014, 04:45:01 pm
'Lo, all.  Long time reader, first time call...  er, poster.  Possibly soon-to-be ex-reader.  Hernandez' antics have lost me.

Fair warning: TVTropes links ahead.

We see a self-professed freedom fighter ordering the torture and murder of prisoners (both acts defined as crimes against humanity, BTW), and he is portrayed as inarguably heroic for doing so.  Nicole makes a half-hearted attempt to say, "What the hell hero?" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhatTheHellHero); Hernandez's response amounts to, "Kill me now or forever stay your hand." (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KillMeNowOrForeverStayYourHand); and a couple of pages later, Nicole is literally propositioning the guy.

Not only is Hernandez' philosophical position deeply suspect (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ValuesDissonance), IMO, it's just plain bad writing.  Nobody watches a guy cut out another guy's tongue and thinks, "Yeah, I wanna cut me a slice of that beefcake."  Not unless they are profoundly broken, anyway.

From where I sit, Hernandez is starting square in the middle of "Designated Hero" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DesignatedHero) territory and making definite strides in the direction of being a villain protagonist (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VillainProtagonist).
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on January 22, 2014, 07:42:31 am
Actually Hernandez is closer to a Byronic Hero (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero) but there's a lot of development yet to be done with this character. We know nothing of his back-story. Yet.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tanegar on January 24, 2014, 04:30:37 pm
I'm willing to give the character a chance, but I also have to note that the revelation of Seamus having taught him to cut out peoples' tongues (and possibly other methods of torture?) makes Seamus significantly less sympathetic.

On an unrelated note, the term you're reaching for with "practical physicist" is either "experimental physicist" or "engineer," depending on how he divides his time between testing theories and building hardware.  Seamus seems to spend a lot of time doing both.  If he expands existing theory and/or develops new ones as well, he is also a de facto theoretical physicist, despite his curious disdain for them.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on January 24, 2014, 09:18:41 pm
Seamus is all of the above -- engineer, experimental physicist, theoretical physicist. The term "practical physicist" is meant to cover all bases.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on January 25, 2014, 08:23:12 am
Seamus has had a number of unsavory alliances in the story, and has "trust but verify" down to a science.  Both Nicole and Murphy has been shown to be a little weak on the verify part - although Luna did much to improve that for Nicole.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Frank B. on January 25, 2014, 10:44:48 am
Actually Hernandez is closer to a Byronic Hero (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero) but there's a lot of development yet to be done with this character. We know nothing of his back-story. Yet.

Like Han Solo (who shot first).
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on January 25, 2014, 11:13:12 am

Actually Hernandez is closer to a Byronic Hero (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero) but there's a lot of development yet to be done with this character. We know nothing of his back-story. Yet.

Like Han Solo (who shot first).

Han Solo shot first. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxODU7RK730)

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on January 26, 2014, 03:52:06 am

Actually Hernandez is closer to a Byronic Hero (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero) but there's a lot of development yet to be done with this character. We know nothing of his back-story. Yet.

Like Han Solo (who shot first).

Han Solo shot first. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxODU7RK730)

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After i first saw the movie, one of my jokes was Greedo forgot how many manipulator limbs humans have.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arbie on February 01, 2014, 04:00:56 am
Well, I felt the same as Tanegar. It reminded me to keep a certain distance and don't get too emotionally involved with any character, because he/she could turn out to be a friend of a murderer.

Also I noticed - and SORRY to everybody who feels insulted by this (maybe too) wide generalization - that a life's value in American literature including many web comics and from what I got of it up to now, especially within the libertarian area, is not very high. That does not fit my preference of seeing life, neither in literature nor reality, but meanwhile I got used to it.

I shrug and read on.



And now for something completely different:

The 2nd book is in the making and I would like to know how a page or double page in these books looks like.
Because, the online strips are mostly formatted in vertical-only direction, there are rarely 2 panels side by side. In addition, many online strips are quite long. Now I did not go back to the beginning of to read everything again while considering the strips and their length, to calculate how they might be re-formatted to fit on 236 or 160 pages, I would probable go wrong anyway.

Scott, could you show us a scan or photo?



Something personal:
"Arbie" was from begin on meant to be the pronunciation of "R.B."  = RockBarnes on deviantart and RockB in other places (moved from the further to the latter after I noticed that there may be a musician named "RockBarnes" with whom I have nothing in common except the name).
Even though wdg3rd might be the only one to remember having seen my avatar somewhere else (if even!), I want to make clear that I don't try to impersonate someone, now that I managed to install an avatar image. :)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: macnut on February 01, 2014, 09:53:34 am
Well, I felt the same as Tanegar. It reminded me to keep a certain distance and don't get too emotionally involved with any character, because he/she could turn out to be a friend of a murderer.


The only ones in QV who are relatively innocent and closest to pure hero protagonist are Nicole and Murphy, and neither of them are pure as the driven snow either. The QV universe, aside from certain rarefield environments like L5 City, tends to produce less-than idealistic and flawed individuals.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 01, 2014, 10:26:39 am

And now for something completely different:

The 2nd book is in the making and I would like to know how a page or double page in these books looks like.
Because, the online strips are mostly formatted in vertical-only direction, there are rarely 2 panels side by side. In addition, many online strips are quite long. Now I did not go back to the beginning of to read everything again while considering the strips and their length, to calculate how they might be re-formatted to fit on 236 or 160 pages, I would probable go wrong anyway.

Scott, could you show us a scan or photo?


In the printed books, the panels are laid out in a 2x4 grid.

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arbie on February 01, 2014, 03:59:51 pm

In the printed books, the panels are laid out in a 2x4 grid.

Thank you  :)



The only ones in QV who are relatively innocent and closest to pure hero protagonist are Nicole and Murphy, and neither of them are pure as the driven snow either. The QV universe, aside from certain rarefield environments like L5 City, tends to produce less-than idealistic and flawed individuals.
True, true. And I find that's generally a good thing to be in a story. But as Nicole said, there's a difference... I wanted to like Seamus O'Murchadha as much as Nicole and Murphy but if that about cutting out tongues turns out to be true, well, he might not only be a mad scientist, he might be an evil scientist. At least I cannot see a scientific or monetary or socially beneficial reason in teaching someone how to cut out tongues. A counter argument could be that Nicole's mother trusts him to a good extend. Well, we'll see.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on February 01, 2014, 05:54:51 pm


In the printed books, the panels are laid out in a 2x4 grid.

Thank you  :)



The only ones in QV who are relatively innocent and closest to pure hero protagonist are Nicole and Murphy, and neither of them are pure as the driven snow either. The QV universe, aside from certain rarefield environments like L5 City, tends to produce less-than idealistic and flawed individuals.
True, true. And I find that's generally a good thing to be in a story. But as Nicole said, there's a difference... I wanted to like Seamus O'Murchadha as much as Nicole and Murphy but if that about cutting out tongues turns out to be true, well, he might not only be a mad scientist, he might be an evil scientist. At least I cannot see a scientific or monetary or socially beneficial reason in teaching someone how to cut out tongues. A counter argument could be that Nicole's mother trusts him to a good extend. Well, we'll see.

But remember, if cut out tongues can be re-grown in the medi-vats,
it is a relatively mild but painful short term punishment.

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on February 01, 2014, 10:54:43 pm
Also I noticed - and SORRY to everybody who feels insulted by this (maybe too) wide generalization - that a life's value in American literature including many web comics and from what I got of it up to now, especially within the libertarian area, is not very high. That does not fit my preference of seeing life, neither in literature nor reality, but meanwhile I got used to it.

Rock, libertarians value human life very highly.  Count the number of lives taken by even those who claimed to be libertarians (poseurs who barely knew the term and none of the ethic) in the past half century against the number of lives taken by statists.  (Extend that a few more decades, it's far worse).

Quote
Something personal:
"Arbie" was from begin on meant to be the pronunciation of "R.B."  = RockBarnes on deviantart and RockB in other places (moved from the further to the latter after I noticed that there may be a musician named "RockBarnes" with whom I have nothing in common except the name).
Even though wdg3rd might be the only one to remember having seen my avatar somewhere else (if even!), I want to make clear that I don't try to impersonate someone, now that I managed to install an avatar image. :)

Of course I know you.  While I've been here much longer, this last couple years I hang around Obaki's territory much more.  Both spots every day unless I'm off-line.

Andy's comic will be much harder to put in book form.  Too random between half and full page images.  Laying out a rough draft of what could be book One was easy enough, possibly the next two books, but after that it'll be a bitch.  (I was playing with LibreOffice, needed something to play with and I happened to have a few years of Andy's posted images at hand).

Scott is a professional, did dead-tree comics before he got into this web stuff.  I suspect that Andy will be the first to admit that he himself is no more than a gifted amateur.  Great writing, great art, but not set up for published layout on paper.

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arbie on February 02, 2014, 04:29:17 pm

But remember, if cut out tongues can be re-grown in the medi-vats,
it is a relatively mild but painful short term punishment.

Thanks for reminding me - indeed, I forgot highly advanced meds. (Well, I'm relieved. A little bit.)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Arbie on February 02, 2014, 04:56:02 pm
Argh... I hate needing to retype a comment because it got annihilated by a mistake of myself :(
Also I noticed - and SORRY to everybody who feels insulted by this (maybe too) wide generalization - that a life's value in American literature including many web comics and from what I got of it up to now, especially within the libertarian area, is not very high. That does not fit my preference of seeing life, neither in literature nor reality, but meanwhile I got used to it.

Rock, libertarians value human life very highly.  Count the number of lives taken by even those who claimed to be libertarians (poseurs who barely knew the term and none of the ethic) in the past half century against the number of lives taken by statists.  (Extend that a few more decades, it's far worse).
Well I got the first contact with the idea of libertarianism when reading Neil L. Smith's books about the probability broach and what followed. They are not particularly bloody and there is the highly advanced medicine, but I got that impression anyway. Maybe it's because I'm biased, being German and not a nazi.

Something personal:
"Arbie" was from begin on meant to be the pronunciation of "R.B."  = RockBarnes on deviantart and RockB in other places (moved from the further to the latter after I noticed that there may be a musician named "RockBarnes" with whom I have nothing in common except the name).
Even though wdg3rd might be the only one to remember having seen my avatar somewhere else (if even!), I want to make clear that I don't try to impersonate someone, now that I managed to install an avatar image. :)

Of course I know you.  While I've been here much longer, this last couple years I hang around Obaki's territory much more.  Both spots every day unless I'm off-line.
Well, I imagined that people may not put much attention to a specific avatar, that (while it was made by me) could be used by anybody, and I use a different name here... hence the post about that. And: Thank you :)
(Once you offered me to ask questions and I didn't take it back then. Meanwhile I have "developed" some questions... about taxes & communities and how certain things might work... I understand that this is not the place to ask such questions but if you or someone else could recommend a Libertarian-FAQ or a place where I could ask basic and maybe naive questions, I'm all eyes  :o )

Andy's comic will be much harder to put in book form.  Too random between half and full page images.  Laying out a rough draft of what could be book One was easy enough, possibly the next two books, but after that it'll be a bitch.  (I was playing with LibreOffice, needed something to play with and I happened to have a few years of Andy's posted images at hand).

Scott is a professional, did dead-tree comics before he got into this web stuff.  I suspect that Andy will be the first to admit that he himself is no more than a gifted amateur.  Great writing, great art, but not set up for published layout on paper.
Aaand here I could use a *nod*-smilie :)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: mellyrn on May 07, 2014, 08:04:35 am
Maybe there could be a "sticky" for odd little errata?

Only, today (5/7/14, strip 828) I can't help but notice that Bill's braids are inconsistent from one panel to the next.  Actually, his right-hand braid is consistent throughout, but the left one alternates between twined-in and twined-out.

Don't know that anybody else cares, so I didn't fancy starting a whole thread on it.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on May 07, 2014, 11:15:05 am

Maybe there could be a "sticky" for odd little errata?

Only, today (5/7/14, strip 828) I can't help but notice that Bill's braids are inconsistent from one panel to the next.  Actually, his right-hand braid is consistent throughout, but the left one alternates between twined-in and twined-out.

Don't know that anybody else cares, so I didn't fancy starting a whole thread on it.

Actually, there is an Errata Thread (http://forum.bigheadpress.com/index.php?topic=712.0) for miscellaneous remarks and observations.

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on June 11, 2014, 06:07:36 am
Here is one election result that might be interesting. "None Of The Above" won a primary in Nevada. Nevada Dems Governor candidate (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/nevada-democrats-chose-none-these-candidates-primary-n128166[/url) the link is already dead. Try NBC, that'swhere I got it from.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on June 11, 2014, 07:31:10 am

Here is one election result that might be interesting. "None Of The Above" won a primary in Nevada. Nevada Dems Governor candidate (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/nevada-democrats-chose-none-these-candidates-primary-n128166[/url) the link is already dead. Try NBC, that's where I got it from.

Here's the link (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/nevada-democrats-chose-none-these-candidates-primary-n128166)

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: gene on June 11, 2014, 10:02:30 am
Thank you Robbin.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Moosk on July 24, 2014, 12:11:59 pm
I registered just to post the interesting little article on an interplanetary economy, it starts slow but gets neat at the end.

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/New_Fort_Knox_A_means_to_a_solar_system_wide_economy_999.html
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Frank B. on July 24, 2014, 02:09:01 pm

Here is one election result that might be interesting. "None Of The Above" won a primary in Nevada. Nevada Dems Governor candidate (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/nevada-democrats-chose-none-these-candidates-primary-n128166[/url) the link is already dead. Try NBC, that's where I got it from.

Here's the link (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/nevada-democrats-chose-none-these-candidates-primary-n128166)

There's this one too.

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/06/12/none-of-the-above-tops-dem-gubernatorial-primary/ (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/06/12/none-of-the-above-tops-dem-gubernatorial-primary/)

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on July 24, 2014, 03:22:30 pm

Welcome to the board Moosk.

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: UncleRice on September 04, 2014, 08:43:48 pm
I registered just to post the interesting little article on an interplanetary economy, it starts slow but gets neat at the end.

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/New_Fort_Knox_A_means_to_a_solar_system_wide_economy_999.html
Welcome aboard Moosk, I like your links.I'm a big believer that Anarchists, AnCaps, Conservative Christians, Libertarians, Classical Liberals, and TEA Party types all have a bigger enemy than each other, but what do I know, I'm not a PC approved information source.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Parrhesia on September 16, 2014, 12:24:37 am
Hiya.

I've stopped by here a few times, but nothing got me to register until... "L-5 and Belter law"?  What the heck does that mean?  Not that there is no law, but aren't there competing mercorps in both regions?  Would they necessarily have the same principles on degrees of mitigation in alter ego defense and/or the proportionality of killing a rapist?  Even if they did, would Nicole be likely to frame it that way?

(PS: I love the way you make your ToS agreement so prominent.  I like to think I always give them a read-through, but the way you folks have it really highlights how easy it is to miss something.)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on September 16, 2014, 02:07:58 am
"L-5 [City] and Belter law (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=924)"?  What the heck does that mean?  Not that there is no law, but aren't there competing mercorps in both regions?  Would they necessarily have the same principles on degrees of mitigation in alter ego defense and/or the proportionality of killing a rapist?  Even if they did, would Nicole be likely to frame it that way?

While the more authoritarian mercorps (http://www.quantumvibe.com/qvabout?page=4) (Wokka-DNG-Hoy, HuoJinGong, GenSaxWal, and to an increasing extent OmegaTek) are effectively governments in their respective jurisdictions, they also function as mercantile providers of goods and services in other venues, doing business all over the Vibeverse. 

In doing business, each of these convocations of grabby bastardliness must submit to the writ of law as it runs within domains other than their own.  It appears from intimations in previous episodes that relationships among the mercorps (and the governments which they control) are structured by treaties and other conventions, some of which obviously had been concluded after armed conflicts had taken place. 

Armed conflicts against the Elves and the Belters in which the grabby bastards had come out the worse for the experience, else L-5 City would not exist and the Belt would not have attained political autonomy in its uprising against the government of Luna. 

Smith & Holder Resolutions is a disputes resolution organization ("deyarro") which operates under the customs and usages of the L-5 City society, which appears to be strongly methodologically individualist and adherent to the principles of contract which structure interpersonal relationships of all kinds.  This appears to prevail in the Belt, which in many ways has been depicted as an offshoot or even an integral part of the Elf Hiver culture. 

It might be said that the writ of L-5 City law runs wherever there are Elves.  It certainly runs on the decks of ships operating under the Elf Hive "flag," such as the space yacht Cissonius, and at bases such as Bond-Lassel Station (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=913) on Hyperion.   

So no matter which of the grabby bastard mercorps is seeking to clasp Dr. O'Murchadha to its metaphorical bosom (certainly GenSaxWal, possibly Wokka-DNG-Hoy as well), they have to adhere to procedural protections implicit in L-5 City law.  Similarly, if HuoJinGong want to take up issues with Buford Beltran about her timely and well-warranted corpsification of Ma Bo Nu, her Beltape clan deyarro must be contacted to initiate the process of arbitration. 

The Vibeverse created by Bieser & Bieser is a vivid, complex, and interesting plenum, is it not?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on September 16, 2014, 12:42:14 pm
First, L-5 City is independent of the megacorps so within L-5 City, their own laws matter.

IMO Belter law is the Law that all parties with the Belter community agree to, including the Megacorps operating within the Belt.

Also, while each Megacorp has "internal" regulations/laws, there is likely agreements between the Megacorps and other interesting parties regarding matters between themselves.


Hiya.

I've stopped by here a few times, but nothing got me to register until... "L-5 and Belter law"?  What the heck does that mean?  Not that there is no law, but aren't there competing mercorps in both regions?  Would they necessarily have the same principles on degrees of mitigation in alter ego defense and/or the proportionality of killing a rapist?  Even if they did, would Nicole be likely to frame it that way?

(PS: I love the way you make your ToS agreement so prominent.  I like to think I always give them a read-through, but the way you folks have it really highlights how easy it is to miss something.)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on September 16, 2014, 04:00:16 pm
First, L-5 City is independent of the megacorps so within L-5 City, their own laws matter.

IMO Belter law is the Law that all parties with the Belter community agree to, including the Megacorps operating within the Belt.

Also, while each Megacorp has "internal" regulations/laws, there is likely agreements between the Megacorps and other interesting parties regarding matters between themselves.

The L-5 City polity isn't much like what we think of when the word "government" is used nowadays, and (while awaiting input from Bieser & Bieser) it might be thought that the Elf Hive - chiefly through the actions of Muc Ar Foulain - asserts extraterritorial sovereignty all over the Vibeverse except in those specific venues where the grabby bastard mercorps hold control by way of deadly force, active or threatened, to oblige diplomatic recognition of those bastards' claims.

Remember, diplomacy is the practice of saying "Nice doggie!  Nice doggie!" until you can get your hands on a brick with which to bash the cur's brains out.  

The relationship between Muc Ar Foulain and Joe's Diners (the Belt's excuse for a mercorp) hasn't been explicitly defined as yet, and may never be.  It's been made canon, however, that the Beltapes' approach to disputes resolution (a variant on the Somali Xeer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeer) structuring), compatibly interfaces with the voluntaryist legal system framed by the charter under which Muc Ar Foulain had been established.

It's apparent that not all Belters have adopted the Xeer system embraced by the Beltapes, and it's almost certain that those Belters' methods of disputes resolution adhere to the voluntaryist principles upon which the Elves operate.  Certainly, the Belters seem to be perhaps even more vigorously enthusiastic about armed self-defense than are the Elf Hivers, and such a population is unlikely to conform to anything but a voluntaryist form of civil order.  

Ain't gonna be "all parties" unanimity in the Belt, among the Elves, or anywhere else you find sophonts of our kind interacting, but utopia is not an option (http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Libertarian/response_to_huben.html), is it?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on September 16, 2014, 04:12:04 pm
It is extremely unlikely that the Huoxing government could successfully extradite Buford, given that her defense against the murder charge is defending an artifolker, and the vast difference in weight that defense would have in a martian jurisdiction. Nicole can legitimately claim self defense, so clearing this up shouldn't be too hard.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tucci78 on September 16, 2014, 05:42:55 pm
It is extremely unlikely that the Huoxing government could successfully extradite Buford, given that her defense against the murder charge is defending an artifolker, and the vast difference in weight that defense would have in a martian jurisdiction. Nicole can legitimately claim self defense, so clearing this up shouldn't be too hard.

Dunno about you, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bieser & Bieser were to stipulate that armed self-defense of any kind (particularly on the part of impudent shovel-wielding foreign devils like our sun-diver girl) was a breach of HuoJinGong corporate policy and therefore as much of a "criminal offense" as can be managed on the mercorp's wholly owned property, the planet of Huǒxīng. 

Might be interesting if the HJG Human Resources Department were to argue that Ma Bo Nu had been an asset of the corporation, and demand compensatory and punitive damages for having been deprived of his value.

Such as it had been.

Countersuit, anyone? 
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Bob G on September 16, 2014, 07:15:57 pm

Might be interesting if the HJG Human Resources Department were to argue that Ma Bo Nu had been an asset of the corporation, and demand compensatory and punitive damages for having been deprived of his value.

Such as it had been.

Seeing as how Ma Bo Nu was well known as a trust fund baby (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=502), it would be difficult to establish him as an actual corporate asset. Though it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to do so in order to throw another lariat around the girls, since just fighting the charges could be a major pain-in-the-(pick your favorite anatomical accessory).

OTOH, his regular gin-joints and doxy-bot brothels might have a claim for denial of custom . . .
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: SteveZilla on October 30, 2014, 08:26:01 am
Hi.

  I can't remember exactly how I became aware of Quantum Vibe.  I don't think it was though a friend's suggestion, so it must have been though an advertised link from another webcomic.

I am very glad that I found QV.  I have been continually (and pleasantly) surprised at the rate of new releases (and their quality).  If the powers that be want to take a little time now and then for things like "Tales From The Front", I won't object.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on October 30, 2014, 10:36:49 am

Welcome to the board Steve, did you start from the very beginning (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=1)?

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Captain Trips on January 15, 2015, 12:25:01 pm
I hope this works, because I have a thought on the multiple universes.  Basically, if they are looking for alternate Earth's, isn't it a very strong likelihood that they'll already be inhabited?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on January 15, 2015, 03:13:34 pm

I hope this works, because I have a thought on the multiple universes.  Basically, if they are looking for alternate Earth's, isn't it a very strong likelihood that they'll already be inhabited?

Because there are SO very very many (approaching infinite) possibilities, some will some won't.
And the inhabitants might be very different creatures than us, some more advanced, some less, allow your imagination to wander.
That is the wonder of the whole concept.

Welcome aboard Captain Trips.

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Frank B. on January 15, 2015, 06:04:20 pm

I hope this works, because I have a thought on the multiple universes.  Basically, if they are looking for alternate Earth's, isn't it a very strong likelihood that they'll already be inhabited?

Because there are SO very very many (approaching infinite) possibilities, some will some won't.
And the inhabitants might be very different creatures than us, some more advanced, some less, allow your imagination to wander.
That is the wonder of the whole concept.

Welcome aboard Captain Trips.

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That's the idea.  In fact, most universes will not have our solar system, much less another Earth. Yet there will still be a ridiculously high number of habitable Earths.  That's the kind of scale we're dealing with here.  Also consider, for some folks who would have the ability to traverse universes might find it desirable to move a human inhabited Earth, but doesn't have the same messed up governmental/social structure as the one in the current QV universe.  The options are effectively endless.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Tikatu on March 19, 2015, 10:41:55 pm
Hey y'all.

I'm Tikatu (aka the ubiquitous Tikatu) and I'm a noob to QV's forum though not to forums in general. I make sure to read QV every night it's published, which is far more often than Girl Genius, which the elder Mr. Bieser recommends.

I don't discuss religion or politics (too ulcer-making) but I'm a sucker for discussion of a comic's plot, characters, and settings. (I'm also fond of the Oxford comma.) Don't know how often I intend to lurk but I'll pop in from time to time.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on March 20, 2015, 04:43:47 am

Welcome to QV Tikatu!

There are other good stories by Scott here...  http://www.bigheadpress.com/

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: cj95 on May 08, 2015, 08:41:23 pm
Howdy from Houston Texas.


Long time reader of QV and am now getting started in some of the other publications.

I have a few questions and observations im looking to run past yall, but will wait until I can post my own threads.

thanks again for great comic.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: SteveZilla on May 17, 2015, 12:55:56 am

Welcome to the board Steve, did you start from the very beginning (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=1)?

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Thanks, RobbinR.  I did start from the very beginning.

Did I read correctly elsewhere that this is the end of the storyline with the current characters?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: RobbinR on May 17, 2015, 06:19:33 am


Welcome to the board Steve, did you start from the very beginning (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=1)?

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Thanks, RobbinR.  I did start from the very beginning.

Did I read correctly elsewhere that this is the end of the storyline with the current characters?

Hi Steve
Some characters will remain, we don't know which ones yet, some will be new, including Li and Nicole's daughter.

This coming week we will be given some background information on the story,
then there will be a two week hiatus before the new story begins.

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Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on May 17, 2015, 06:21:02 am
Yep.  The next story in the QV-universe will focus on new characters although Scott has said that "old friends" might make appearances.



Welcome to the board Steve, did you start from the very beginning (http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=1)?

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Thanks, RobbinR.  I did start from the very beginning.

Did I read correctly elsewhere that this is the end of the storyline with the current characters?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: jjnonken on February 18, 2016, 07:28:57 pm
Hmm. Well, since I can't start a new thread, guess I'll reply to this one. I just wanted to let you know I'm a big fan of the Borderlands franchise, particularly Borderlands 2. And also Quantum Vibe, but you'll probably figure that our yourself given the context. :) No, seriously, I love space opera, and this is one of my favorite webcomics. Anyway, one day I decided to make an homage Borderlands character for Murphy. Basically it was a matter of finding an appropriate combination of character and costume options. There were limits to what I could do but here's what I ended up with.

(http://36.media.tumblr.com/d7806a178dd9c7943f548a54e71e0075/tumblr_o2rr1xfayQ1tdq31mo3_500.jpg)
(https://41.media.tumblr.com/1bb80e7f50f3cd16cd45557c8b52cbdd/tumblr_o2rr1xfayQ1tdq31mo2_540.jpg)

Thanks for the awesome stories and the people inhabiting them. Always eager for the next installment.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Caffinator on February 20, 2016, 10:37:10 pm
Thoroughly enjoyed the first story and eager to see how the new story pans out.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on February 25, 2016, 09:46:54 am
Hmm. Well, since I can't start a new thread, guess I'll reply to this one. I just wanted to let you know I'm a big fan of the Borderlands franchise, particularly Borderlands 2. And also Quantum Vibe, but you'll probably figure that our yourself given the context. :) No, seriously, I love space opera, and this is one of my favorite webcomics. Anyway, one day I decided to make an homage Borderlands character for Murphy. Basically it was a matter of finding an appropriate combination of character and costume options. There were limits to what I could do but here's what I ended up with.

Thanks for the awesome stories and the people inhabiting them. Always eager for the next installment.

This is cool, Jjnonken! Thanks for the kind words.

Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: 0z79 on June 22, 2016, 08:41:50 pm
Hi! I'm new here, only made two posts so far and they're both pithy as hell, so I thought I'd finally introduce myself and try not to show too much butthurt.. I'd read something by "BobG" and took it completely the wrong way, allowing myself to think that they almost support eugenics.. I'm a little sensitive about my disability and the obstacles I face, so I tend to go barking up the wrong tree.. a lot. Sorry Bob.

Anyway.. I've been reading this since nearly the beginning of the Seamus arc; I've been hooked ever since. It's in the top 3 comics that I look forward to every update and has managed to hold my interest without making me feel like I'm being strung along. Scott's a pretty decent writer and managed to create a very detailed intergalactic society... one that we've now seen 1,000 years' worth of history from.. every bit of it fascinating.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Bob G on June 23, 2016, 09:28:31 am
Sorry Bob.

It's easy to jerk a knee when it seems your own personal ox is getting gored. Lord knows I've done it a time or two (or three, or . . .) in these pages, as elsewhere.

Welcome aboard, Oz.

And hat's off to you for rising to meet the challenges you've described.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: BadCyborg on September 28, 2016, 07:18:49 pm
Hello, all. Bill Mullins here. New here. Have read QV from the original up through Assimulation comic for 9/28/19. I read from QV up throught the end of V23 and waited for Assimulation to start. Ya hooked me GOOD, Scott. I started with QV after you made a post over @ Chris Muir's DBD.

Couple of questions. Hopefully Scott or anybody else will answer. I have no problem admitting I don't know everything. Heck! I am too ignorant to even be sure how ignorant I truly am!

1) What the heck does "assimulation" mean? It looks like some sort of portmanteau of "assimilation" and "simulation" but beyond that observation I have no clue what it means. Some help here? Scott? Anybody?

2) (I know I should know this but admit I do not.) Who is Hugo? I tried to find where he was introduced but could not find it. So who IS he? To my (admittedly old and partly blind) eye he looks like an arti-person version of Seamus from the original QV. If I'm actually correct there cool, but then I expect we'll be hearing trumpet arpeggios as Gabriel warms up his lip for his solo. Can someone let me off the hook? I link to the page where he was introduced will suffice.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on September 29, 2016, 07:56:29 am
Hugo is Seamus.  Scott changed his "tin-man" name.

Hello, all. Bill Mullins here. New here. Have read QV from the original up through Assimulation comic for 9/28/19. I read from QV up throught the end of V23 and waited for Assimulation to start. Ya hooked me GOOD, Scott. I started with QV after you made a post over @ Chris Muir's DBD.

Couple of questions. Hopefully Scott or anybody else will answer. I have no problem admitting I don't know everything. Heck! I am too ignorant to even be sure how ignorant I truly am!

1) What the heck does "assimulation" mean? It looks like some sort of portmanteau of "assimilation" and "simulation" but beyond that observation I have no clue what it means. Some help here? Scott? Anybody?

2) (I know I should know this but admit I do not.) Who is Hugo? I tried to find where he was introduced but could not find it. So who IS he? To my (admittedly old and partly blind) eye he looks like an arti-person version of Seamus from the original QV. If I'm actually correct there cool, but then I expect we'll be hearing trumpet arpeggios as Gabriel warms up his lip for his solo. Can someone let me off the hook? I link to the page where he was introduced will suffice.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: BadCyborg on September 29, 2016, 04:32:26 pm
Thanks. I kinda thought so but wanted to be sure. Funny, I don't recall Seamus being that risk adverse.

But then it brings up the question of when/why did Seamus go from meat person to arti-person? I must've missed that.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: DrakBibliophile on September 29, 2016, 04:51:49 pm
http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=1086

Seamus had been mistreated badly so Murphy "rescued" his head and later used his head to upload Seamus's personality into a tin-man body.

While in the above strip, he's called "Hugh", Scott later had him call himself "Hugo".


Thanks. I kinda thought so but wanted to be sure. Funny, I don't recall Seamus being that risk adverse.

But then it brings up the question of when/why did Seamus go from meat person to arti-person? I must've missed that.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: BadCyborg on October 03, 2016, 05:19:22 am
Thanks, Drak. Following your link I refreshed my memory regarding the ending of QV chapter 3. I had forgotten all about what the Terrans had done to Seamus. Nasty business, that. I always wondered why Murphy didn't force-grow a clone and download Seamus' memories into a new body. That or I figure that a bio-tech that can repair aging ought to be able to grow a new body from a head a la planaria.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on October 03, 2016, 10:36:01 am
> I always wondered why Murphy didn't force-grow a clone and download Seamus' memories into a new body.

By L5 law, Seamus died on Earth when his head was cut off.

When he died, the liability for his crimes on 21st century Earth died with him, except The Children of Armageddon probably don't recognize this loophole in L5 law. Also unexplained were likely CoD civil suits against his estate, but even if he was bankrupt, Nicole and Murphy made enough money from their jump drive to retire on, it seems.

Maybe the CoA decided to forgo filing a civil suit because they would have to recognize the death of Seamus/Farnsworth and any later attempt to kill him off and wipe all the backups would then be considered murder? Maybe the majority of 3rd+ generation survivors decided that a moderate payout from a massive class action lawsuit was in their best interest?
Title: QV#1465
Post by: dolo724 on November 09, 2016, 02:01:57 pm
I've been reading here since Escape From Terra (I miss it terribly, but time marches on). QV is special, and I have a comment regarding the use of radio frequencies in QV#1465... 2m to 20m is indeed a range, but marking progression in that range is typically done by speaking of frequency not wavelength. Thus, 14MHz to 148MHz for my experience, and 2m becomes 144-148MHz.

Unless you've got some diabolical/technical scheme yet veiled to us, I'm confused.
I'm a ham radio operator (kf7vzz) and I'm still confused.
Title: Re: QV#1465
Post by: customdesigned on November 09, 2016, 02:20:35 pm
I've been reading here since Escape From Terra (I miss it terribly, but time marches on). QV is special, and I have a comment regarding the use of radio frequencies in QV#1465... 2m to 20m is indeed a range, but marking progression in that range is typically done by speaking of frequency not wavelength. Thus, 14MHz to 148MHz for my experience, and 2m becomes 144-148MHz.

Unless you've got some diabolical/technical scheme yet veiled to us, I'm confused.
I'm a ham radio operator (kf7vzz) and I'm still confused.
It's been 1000 years.  Conventions change.  But now that wavelength ranges are canon, we have to hold Scott to consistency - the required feature of speculative fiction.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: jhpace1 on December 09, 2016, 08:52:58 am
Black and white vs color updates...

I think we can all agree as fans, seeing daily updates is preferable to no updates at all!  Just making the comment, since I cannot find where anyone else has.  Quantum Vibe: Assimilation has been updating a little slow lately, mostly b&w first with color following 24 hours later.

But keep up the good work, Scott & team!
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Scott on December 11, 2016, 05:28:14 pm
Black and white vs color updates...

I think we can all agree as fans, seeing daily updates is preferable to no updates at all!  Just making the comment, since I cannot find where anyone else has.  Quantum Vibe: Assimilation has been updating a little slow lately, mostly b&w first with color following 24 hours later.

But keep up the good work, Scott & team!

Thanks! Our colorist had fallen behind, but we're caught up now, and we should have regular full-color, on-time updates going forward.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: jmsr7 on May 16, 2017, 01:44:24 pm
Hi, i'm James, thanks for this thread.

Dunno how many times is 'a few' but i guess every post helps.  Wasn't planning to post much anyway.

I'm not a libertarian (i find the whole idea absurd and inherently self-contradictory) but i do believe that economic and political systems are very dependent on the technology levels and by extension, resource availability.  Given that, i'm enjoying the whole Quantum Vibe series so far.

For example, one would expect slavery to go away once machines replace the needed workers; but return once the machines become sentient, then go away again once the sentient machines demand their rights, which seems to have happened in the 'QVverse.'  So, ya know, good portrayal.

jmsr
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on May 18, 2017, 03:36:56 pm

I'm not a libertarian (i find the whole idea absurd and inherently self-contradictory)

Just curious. What  part of Libertarianism is "absurd and Self Contradictory?" I don't see any contradictions myself. Perhaps if you were more specific?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: wdg3rd on May 19, 2017, 07:14:54 am

I'm not a libertarian (i find the whole idea absurd and inherently self-contradictory)

Just curious. What  part of Libertarianism is "absurd and Self Contradictory?" I don't see any contradictions myself. Perhaps if you were more specific?

Yup, the Zero Aggression Principle is easy.  Do not initiate force.  Or to quote Will Smith, "Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'"
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Outsider on June 07, 2017, 07:10:13 am

I'm not a libertarian (i find the whole idea absurd and inherently self-contradictory)

Just curious. What  part of Libertarianism is "absurd and Self Contradictory?" I don't see any contradictions myself. Perhaps if you were more specific?

Yup, the Zero Aggression Principle is easy.  Do not initiate force.  Or to quote Will Smith, "Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'"


Is it though?   Sometimes what constitutes "initiating force" seems to get a bit squishy.

Sure, if someone is trying to kill me, I can shoot them in the head.

But what if they're just trying to steal from me?  Can I use deadly force to defend my property?

If so, does the value of the property I am defending make a difference?

If I am within my rights to shoot someone in the head for trying to steal a significant asset, like my car, am I also within my rights to shoot them in the head for stealing an insignificant asset, like a candy bar from my market?

Do the personal characteristics of the thief make a difference in my right to use deadly force to defend my property?  Am I within my rights to shoot a child for stealing/trying to steal a candy bar?

Stealing is taking property from someone else without their agreement, and property is basically a physical manifestation of value.  So is someone 'stealing' from me if they intentionally do things to devalue my property? 

Can I shoot my neighbor in the head if he knows I am trying to sell my house, and starts playing loud music, keeping hulked cars in his front yard, and hosting a pedophile support group every Tuesday and Friday, in an effort to get me to pay him to 'be good' while the sale is on?  What if he isn't asking for payment, but is doing this to drive down the price for a friend of his?  Or simply because he doesn't like me?  Heck, what if he has no intent at all, and is just a really bad neighbor?
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on June 07, 2017, 06:28:25 pm
Solomon's elaboration of NAP (Proverbs 3:27-30):

Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due,
when it is in your power to act.

Do not say to your neighbor,
“Come back tomorrow and I’ll give it to you”—
when you already have it with you.

Do not plot harm against your neighbor,
who lives trustfully near you.

Do not accuse anyone for no reason—
when they have done you no harm.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: Redwood Elf on June 08, 2017, 08:32:08 am


Sure, if someone is trying to kill me, I can shoot them in the head.

But what if they're just trying to steal from me?  Can I use deadly force to defend my property?
NO. Unless the property is literally keeping you alive (Like your  medication or diabetic supplies.) Deadly force is ONLY permissible against a potentially fatal threat. You can punch them in the face though.

If so, does the value of the property I am defending make a difference?

no. See above.

If I am within my rights to shoot someone in the head for trying to steal a significant asset, like my car, am I also within my rights to shoot them in the head for stealing an insignificant asset, like a candy bar from my market?

no. See Above.

Do the personal characteristics of the thief make a difference in my right to use deadly force to defend my property?  Am I within my rights to shoot a child for stealing/trying to steal a candy bar?

no. See above.

Stealing is taking property from someone else without their agreement, and property is basically a physical manifestation of value.  So is someone 'stealing' from me if they intentionally do things to devalue my property? 

Can I shoot my neighbor in the head if he knows I am trying to sell my house, and starts playing loud music, keeping hulked cars in his front yard, and hosting a pedophile support group every Tuesday and Friday, in an effort to get me to pay him to 'be good' while the sale is on?  What if he isn't asking for payment, but is doing this to drive down the price for a friend of his?  Or simply because he doesn't like me?  Heck, what if he has no intent at all, and is just a really bad neighbor?
No. See Above. And this situation is what the local private security force would be for in Ancapistan.

For further information, See videos like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP9Aj_7w9y0  (Note that this is Anarcho Capitalism, not just Libertarianism, but the two share a lot of basic concepts)
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: customdesigned on June 08, 2017, 01:25:16 pm
For the gory real life outcomes of a voluntary ("all that the Lord has said, we will do" Exodus 19:7-8) Constitutional Anarchy (rules, but no rulers), see Judges in the Bible.  Followed in Samuel, Kings, Chronicles by the even gorier history of a Constitutional Monarchy ("we want a king to be like other nations!").  Whether or not you agree with the actual set of rules, it is instructive.
Title: Re: For New Fans
Post by: mariospants on October 06, 2017, 08:03:21 pm
Hi, I've been reading Quantum Vibe for a couple of years now, Scott, your stories are excellent, and your art is often excellent as well... your output is also ridiculously dependable and frequent!

Just wanted to say, could someone start a thread regarding Star Trek: Discovery and how shockingly similar it is to the story of Quantum Vibe???