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Title: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 17, 2011, 01:19:43 pm
Quoting myself from the other thread:

...On the dairy-meat prohibition, I guess all the fuss comes from this:

Exod 23:19, Exod 34:26, Deut 14:21
     It is forbidden to boil a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.

This is said three times and to me seems pretty specific. I don't quite understand how we get to the Orthodox practice of two different china patterns, two different silverware patterns and two dishwashers installed in the kitchen.

For bonus food taboo, Chez Trief could use a meat patty made of venison. Both Muslims and Jews have rules for the proper killin' of meat animals that pretty much prohibit hunting. Although I'd recommend a patty of mixed beef and venison just so it was taboo to Hindus also.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 17, 2011, 01:21:57 pm
Actually finding a goat with a kid in the belt and butchering the kid and milking the goat just to pull it all together in one dish sounds pretty extravagant. A Chef's Special for sure.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 17, 2011, 01:28:44 pm
What wouldn't be on the menu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_daily_ration

not just no pork, no meat at all. The wet nap is alcohol free.

Vegetable shortening.

The red pepper and black pepper are in a separate bag, I assume this is acceptable to the Adventists, as they consider these stimulants.

They've even changed the color of the package so they no longer match unexploded cluster bombs.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 17, 2011, 01:38:38 pm
The bacon cheeseburger, the all-around offender. This would probably go on the "gram of silver" menu.

Make the patty out of veal and venison, import the bacon from Earth, and I think you've got Jews, Muslims, Vegan, anti-factory farmers, Hindu,  Locavarians, and Catholics on good Friday all covered.

Kick it up a notch with your spice weasel, and add a BBQ sauce made from bourbon to offend the Muslims again and the Adventists.

Serve it with a Jolt cola to piss off the sxe crowd.

Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: J Thomas on March 17, 2011, 02:26:34 pm
The bacon cheeseburger, the all-around offender. This would probably go on the "gram of silver" menu.

Make the patty out of veal and venison, import the bacon from Earth, and I think you've got Jews, Muslims, Vegan, anti-factory farmers, Hindu,  Locavarians, and Catholics on good Friday all covered.

Kick it up a notch with your spice weasel, and add a BBQ sauce made from bourbon to offend the Muslims again and the Adventists.

Serve it with a Jolt cola to piss off the sxe crowd.

Add a layer of termites and earthworms and you'll offend most of the Americans.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 17, 2011, 03:11:19 pm
Add a layer of termites and earthworms and you'll offend most of the Americans.

I've had grasshoppers in chex mix and mealworms in jello shooters.

The one food I'll never eat again is sea urchin (as Uni Sushi). Oh, that was the most disgusting slimy thing ever!
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: J Thomas on March 17, 2011, 03:48:47 pm
Add a layer of termites and earthworms and you'll offend most of the Americans.

I've had grasshoppers in chex mix and mealworms in jello shooters.

The one food I'll never eat again is sea urchin (as Uni Sushi). Oh, that was the most disgusting slimy thing ever!

Good thought! Boiled okra, anybody?
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: SandySandfort on March 17, 2011, 05:06:47 pm
You all have come up with good reasons for and against certain foods for the Chez Treif (correct spelling).  The concept of "treif" and other forbidden foods is pretty much in the eyes of the beholder. So Chez Treif could serve just about anything and it would be forbidden by some group, somewhere.

I was thinking about this the other day and came up with the almost universally forbidden food--"long pork." That dish may come up in a future arc. Of course, it will only be human flesh that has be cultured in vitro. Real people DNA, but never actually part of a living human. And--because of life extension technologies--much easier to obtain than Soylent Green.   

This could create a "celebrity flesh" fad. One could eat a "Brad Burger" for example. (Put me down for some Angelina barbecued ribs. Yum!) Or, you could eat yourself or a loved one.  The possibilities are endless.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 17, 2011, 06:17:33 pm
You all have come up with good reasons for and against certain foods for the Chez Treif (correct spelling). 

Well, I'd like to report a spelling error in the transcript of page 633.

Also, while on the topic of minor errors, I guess Reggie can guess the future hair color of his bride-to-be from a HIPPA violation in page 654 panel 3.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 17, 2011, 06:31:32 pm
Kick it up a notch with your spice weasel

You know, if there really was a spice weasel, peta would be against it.

My fave prohibition though is "Bee Slavery".  Avoided and condemned by level 5 vegans of Dirt First!.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: NeitherRuleNorBeRuled on March 17, 2011, 07:48:04 pm
I was thinking about this the other day and came up with the almost universally forbidden food--"long pork."

Well, millions of Roman Catholics claim to do it on a regular basis.  :D
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: NeitherRuleNorBeRuled on March 17, 2011, 07:54:19 pm
All you can eat hot dogs (beef/pork blend) absolutely must be a Friday special.

There must also be fois gras available, and (properly prepared) fugu.

Also, Kinder Surprise eggs as part of the kid's meals.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: wdg3rd on March 17, 2011, 07:57:09 pm
I was thinking about this the other day and came up with the almost universally forbidden food--"long pork."

Well, millions of Roman Catholics claim to do it on a regular basis.  :D

Yup, La Esposa is higher on the food chain than I am.  I'll eat just about anything, but she's a lapsed catholic who has eaten the flesh of G-D hisself.

I tried it once, but it tasted like a stale cracker.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: spudit on March 17, 2011, 08:41:21 pm
I admit catching myself munching a generic Milkbone in absent minded moments. Like he doesn't get enough of my food to even it out.
Wooph!
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Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: SandySandfort on March 17, 2011, 09:00:25 pm
You all have come up with good reasons for and against certain foods for the Chez Treif (correct spelling). 

Well, I'd like to report a spelling error in the transcript of page 633.

Yeah, I already mentioned it to Scott. Maybe he'll fix it now.  :)

Also, while on the topic of minor errors, I guess Reggie can guess the future hair color of his bride-to-be from a HIPPA violation in page 654 panel 3.

I have no idea what HIPPA means.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: spudit on March 17, 2011, 09:19:13 pm
HIPPA is a set of medical privacy rules, who gets to know what.

I don't see the problem myself, though maybe it's the woman's picture on the wall?
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: quadibloc on March 17, 2011, 09:45:37 pm
What wouldn't be on the menu:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_daily_ration

not just no pork, no meat at all. The wet nap is alcohol free.

Vegetable shortening.

The red pepper and black pepper are in a separate bag, I assume this is acceptable to the Adventists, as they consider these stimulants.

They've even changed the color of the package so they no longer match unexploded cluster bombs.
But they include peanut butter in them! What were they thinking?

Or are nut allergies only endemic in the United States?
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: spudit on March 17, 2011, 10:32:40 pm
Sure, just like high cholesteral is an artifact of cholesteral testing. Personally I believe it is just arterial Fix-a-Flat. Back in the olde days we ate greasy crap and lived to tell about it. Twas a manly time.

Spudit, leaded gas era survivor.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 18, 2011, 05:12:09 am
I have no idea what HIPPA means.

US-centric joke. Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. This law has mandates some pretty reasonable privacy requirements in regards to your private doctor-patent-insurance-company records.

So carelessly leaving another patent's records up on a view screen while consulting with your next patient is not only an unethical lapse, it's illegal.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: mellyrn on March 18, 2011, 06:57:28 am
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I have no idea what HIPPA means.

You are a blessed man.

It's a USSA healthcare regulation that allows (possibly requires, I don't know) my doctor to tell lackeys in my gov't, my insurance company, my bank and/or my credit card company anything they want to know about my condition & treatment, but forbids said doctor to tell my spouse.



Chez Treif maybe puts real human blood in the Bloody Marys?  How about long pork obtained from amputations?
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Plane on March 18, 2011, 09:55:15 am
  French cuisine except for the French, Korean food unless you are Korean, Phillipino menu for the hard core, unless you are Phillipino.

   When a group of French , Korean,Phillipinos walk in they can break out the Scandinavian recipies and serve Ludefisk.

  By the way is sea food hard to get out "in the belt"? I don't suppose that ocean environments are easy to simulate for raising sea food.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: spudit on March 18, 2011, 10:20:37 am
Rumor has had it fish can live in absolutely saturated air in a zero G environment. Dunno for sure. Cares has lots of ice so lots of water anyway.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: SandySandfort on March 18, 2011, 10:29:32 am
By the way is sea food hard to get out "in the belt"? I don't suppose that ocean environments are easy to simulate for raising sea food.

http://www.fishfarming.eu/en/home.html
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: quadibloc on March 18, 2011, 07:01:34 pm
By the way is sea food hard to get out "in the belt"? I don't suppose that ocean environments are easy to simulate for raising sea food.

http://www.fishfarming.eu/en/home.html
Thanks for the information. I would have guessed that fish would be relatively easy to farm in space, being perhaps the next source of animal protein after chicken.

It's finding space for beef cattle that's awkward. Not, I presume, insuperably so, if you have the space for a large human population, but presumably it will be expensive and will come along rather later in the settlement of any part of space. Because, in space, space isn't free. At least not if you need air with it.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: SandySandfort on March 18, 2011, 07:13:40 pm
http://www.fishfarming.eu/en/home.html

Thanks for the information. I would have guessed that fish would be relatively easy to farm in space, being perhaps the next source of animal protein after chicken.

I think you are right. While fish are not gravity agnostic, they probably will only need micro-gravity to prosper.

It's finding space for beef cattle that's awkward. Not, I presume, insuperably so, if you have the space for a large human population, but presumably it will be expensive and will come along rather later in the settlement of any part of space. Because, in space, space isn't free. At least not if you need air with it.

Kine (archaic plural for cow) are slightly addressed in a future strip. ("Hello, cow.")
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: spudit on March 19, 2011, 02:03:05 am
Fish farming is a big deal hereabouts. Seeded shellfish and in some places salmon in huge cages, floating feedlots. A plume of waste drifts downward, it attracts parasites and sometimes the atlantic salmon get loose and give the pacific salmon cooties. People get passionate about fish farms, that is go nuts, with friends don't let friends buy farmed fish bumper stickers, on up to fist fights and worse.

Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull is or used to be a fish farmer in his spare time.

I hope you folks have read Gerard K. O'Neil's The High Frontier, Heppenhiemer's Colonies in Space and Stine's The Third Industrial Revolution. Classics of speculative real science from the 70s when it looked like the Shuttle might be the real deal.

The first 2 especially talk about actually living at L4 or L5 or way up there somewhere. Actually living, and farming, eating, drinking, peeing and pooping in space with tech just slightly advanced from the pre VCR dark ages.

Look in the library, remember the library, sorta like a great big paper internet without the porn.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Frontier:_Human_Colonies_in_Space
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: macsnafu on March 21, 2011, 11:41:53 am

This could create a "celebrity flesh" fad. One could eat a "Brad Burger" for example. (Put me down for some Angelina barbecued ribs. Yum!) Or, you could eat yourself or a loved one.  The possibilities are endless.

I'm not sure I'd want Angelina ribs--not much meat on them bones.  Now, Rosie O'Donnell ribs would be something else...
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: quadibloc on March 21, 2011, 09:59:39 pm
Look in the library, remember the library, sorta like a great big paper internet without the porn.
Hey, the library is still way better than the Internet in some ways! It may not have as much content, but a lot of that content is premium-quality copyrighted content that you would have to pay for on the Internet.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: spudit on March 21, 2011, 10:42:44 pm
but without the porn.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 22, 2011, 07:02:23 am
Fish farming is a big deal hereabouts. Seeded shellfish and in some places salmon in huge cages, floating feedlots. A plume of waste drifts downward, it attracts parasites and sometimes the atlantic salmon get loose and give the pacific salmon cooties. People get passionate about fish farms, that is go nuts, with friends don't let friends buy farmed fish bumper stickers, on up to fist fights and worse.

Fish farming on Ceres would have none of these issues, unless of course the farming was done all under the frozen ice in Ceres' oceans (not likely, I can't see there being any dissolved O2).

You would have to create the entire environment and stock it with critters. You would have to deal with the waste instead of letting the tide take it out to sea. You would still have the right to shoot seals and sea lions that got into your tank, but the odds of that happening should be astronomically long.

Food conversion ratio is far better in fish then swine, and since the infrastructure shouldn't be that more expensive (low-G should make building tanks cheap, water is abundant and easy to get, no need to locate in a polar sunlight tower, etc), I'd have to guess that deep fried tilapia would be significantly cheaper than a pork chop, as long as the pork chop wasn't grown in a vat.

In fact, seeing as there is so much water on Ceres, I'd have to guess that aquaculture would be a big export.
Title: Re: So what deserves to be on the menu at the Chez Trief?
Post by: spudit on March 22, 2011, 11:24:48 am
Good points and a good example of value adding.

We have here a batch of fertilized salmon eggs, a pile of cheap PSSF perfect synthetic salmon food and some tanks, one of fresh river water, one salty ocean. Salmon being not too bright live their lives in one then the other and one day are exported as premier salmon steaks, for a lot.
$$$

Here in the People's Republic of Wa, I understand you not only need a permit to fish, to gather shellfish but also to harvest seaweed! Seaweed is a big deal in Asia and often sold dried, light and valuable.
more $$$
Title: Re: Как вы себя мо
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on April 20, 2011, 08:06:20 pm
Спасибо большое, очень много инфы нашла на вашем форуме)

Don't tell me we're getting spam from the Russians! (Speaking of SPAM, the pink meat that's fun to eat, the Russians called it "Roosevelt Sausage".)  And speaking of sausage, we could send it to them because of the "lend-lease" thingie.

And speaking of food that is taboo, well....  Hey, on topic for once!

Oh yea, while the thread is bumped, I can mention Four-Loko and other caffeinated flavored malt beverages!

Because the US gumm-mint says that caffeine is "generally recognized as safe", and a "flavor additive", except when mixed with cheap, adjunct filled, "high gravity" (low specific gravity, actually) swill.

And they can have my Irish Coffee when they pry the mug from my cold dead fingers!

Title: Re: Как вы себя мо
Post by: SandySandfort on April 20, 2011, 09:47:09 pm
Спасибо большое, очень много инфы нашла на вашем форуме)

Don't tell me we're getting spam from the Russians!

Sort of looks like it. I invite our new Russian friend to post in English or don't post at all. All the rest of us speak English as a first or second language; he can to. Assuming he's not a bot.

(Speaking of SPAM, the pink meat that's fun to eat, the Russians called it "Roosevelt Sausage".)  And speaking of sausage, we could send it to them because of the "lend-lease" thingie.

To quote Johnny Carson, "I did not know that." Roosevelt Sausage, who knew?

Of course, "lend-lease" was one of the major legal fictions used to get around supposed neutrality. Intellectually dishonest, but what more can you expect from a government?

And speaking of food that is taboo, well....  Hey, on topic for once!

Oh yea, while the thread is bumped, I can mention Four-Loko and other caffeinated flavored malt beverages!

I don't recall if we discussed it, but observant Mormons will not consume caffeinated products. Jack Mormons, of course, drink whatever they damned well please.
Title: Re: Как вы себя мо
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on April 20, 2011, 10:32:09 pm
I don't recall if we discussed it, but observant Mormons will not consume caffeinated products. Jack Mormons, of course, drink whatever they damned well please.

Adventist don't drink caffeine, but you can still get coke out of the vending machine at the hospital. Did not know that about  Mormons though. Had to lookup "Jack Mormon".


The google translate is: ((Thanks a lot, a lot of disk imaging found on your forum))
Title: Re: Как вы себя мо
Post by: quadibloc on April 21, 2011, 09:03:04 am
Of course, "lend-lease" was one of the major legal fictions used to get around supposed neutrality. Intellectually dishonest, but what more can you expect from a government?
That may well be the case, but so what?

It was appropriate for every honest and decent person, in those days, to do everything he could to bring Nazism to an end. If Roosevelt didn't have the votes to send Americans into battle after World War II started in September of 1939, it was entirely appropriate for him to do whatever he could.

The alternative would have been the Nazis winning, which would have turned the whole Earth into a horrible nightmare of slavery. Instead, the nightmare ended up confined to the part of the world behind the Iron Curtain, thanks to victory in World War II, and a generation of people in North America and Western Europe enjoyed the kind of peace, freedom and prosperity that needs to become the unquestioned and unchallengeable birthright of all humans everywhere.
Title: Re: Как вы себя мо
Post by: Corydon on April 21, 2011, 09:07:17 am
I don't recall if we discussed it, but observant Mormons will not consume caffeinated products. Jack Mormons, of course, drink whatever they damned well please.

Adventist don't drink caffeine, but you can still get coke out of the vending machine at the hospital. Did not know that about  Mormons though. Had to lookup "Jack Mormon".

Mormons aren't supposed to drink coffee or tea.  Joseph Smith never said anything about caffeinated soft drinks, though, and so there are plenty of observant Mormons who drink Coke.  The LDS church doesn't have an official position beyond saying that it's a good idea to avoid habit-forming substances such as caffeine.
Title: Re: Как вы себя мо
Post by: SandySandfort on April 21, 2011, 12:51:27 pm
It was appropriate for every honest and decent person, in those days, to do everything he could to bring Nazism to an end. If Roosevelt didn't have the votes to send Americans into battle after World War II started in September of 1939, it was entirely appropriate for him to do whatever he could.

So one again we have a US president lying to the American people so that they would do what he wanted, rather than what they wanted. Do you think that is honest and decent? Even then, it required an induced pretext to fool the people enough to have them act against their own best interest. Just like every other war (save the Revolutionary War). How sad.

The alternative would have been the Nazis winning, which would have turned the whole Earth into a horrible nightmare of slavery...

And you are know this how? As far as I can see, Roosevelt's lie and affront to the people and the Constitution (among many), only ended up making the world safe for communism, which then proceeded to murder 100 million innocent people. Great save, FDR.


Title: Re: Как вы себя мо
Post by: quadibloc on April 21, 2011, 05:02:58 pm
Спасибо большое, очень много инфы нашла на вашем форуме)

Don't tell me we're getting spam from the Russians!

Sort of looks like it. I invite our new Russian friend to post in English or don't post at all. All the rest of us speak English as a first or second language; he can to. Assuming he's not a bot.
Since the same message, word for word, with its unclosed parenthesis, is appearing in several different threads, I would say that it is almost certainly spam sent by a bot, unfortunately.

Initially, I thought that a one-time resort to Russian was merely a joke of some sort, since the first instance seemed to fit in with the conversation in the thread.
Title: Re: Как вы себя мо
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on April 21, 2011, 09:50:53 pm
Mormons aren't supposed to drink coffee or tea.  Joseph Smith never said anything about caffeinated soft drinks, though, and so there are plenty of observant Mormons who drink Coke.  The LDS church doesn't have an official position beyond saying that it's a good idea to avoid habit-forming substances such as caffeine.

I guess the gold plates didn't say anything about Mormon tea either. The ephedra in the plant is a powerful stimulant for many people and thanks to the fact that it's a precursor to meth (as well as thanks to a famous athlete who dropped dead at the right moment) means it's off the market.

I was wondering if the war on pseudoephedrine would cause people to harvest the plant in the desert, but it seems like it's easier to smuggle the stuff over our southern border. For now, at least.