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Title: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 16, 2011, 06:49:52 pm
I wonder if all the soldiers have sidearms and if they will be allowed to wear them off duty.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 17, 2011, 08:29:45 am
I wonder if all the soldiers have sidearms and if they will be allowed to wear them off duty.

I imagine that the UW would tightly restrict personal ownership of firearms, so any handguns would be issued.


http://www.bigheadpress.com/eft?page=659 first panel

I guess anyone could do some break-dancing handstands on Ceres. "More guns and less gravity", indeed.



Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 17, 2011, 11:23:25 am
48 hours of Christmas, so that's Santa's trick.

Ed and Chang seem to be buddies, golly I wonder what transpired in the mean time. I imagine it was like Galt's speach over beer and fried grasshoppers.

So exactly why is it sucide for them to attack the Belters? I can think of a few reasons but thar be dullards amongst us who don't. 

I thought this was all a bunch of thinly disguised Libertarian propaganda intended to warp the minds of the young. I don't hear no propaganda.

grumble

 
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 17, 2011, 08:52:06 pm
I see dancing in today's strip, low G dancing and catching some air.

See guys, this is not filmed in Kansas, these people really are in space.

Nice touch.

Did the party and partiers leave the square?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Plane on March 18, 2011, 09:59:57 am
So exactly why is it sucide for them to attack the Belters? I can think of a few reasons but thar be dullards amongst us who don't. 

 

I have been wondering too. Ed seems to be dangleing this plot point like a lure in frount of the Captain.

I suppose that life on Ceries requires a lot of co-operation, if a beligerant were not getting co-operation where would he get air?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 18, 2011, 10:17:28 am
The thinly disguised Libertarian propaganda intended to warp the minds of the young is back.

Life is good.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on March 18, 2011, 10:27:00 pm
The thinly disguised Libertarian propaganda intended to warp the minds of the young is back.

Life is good.

I don't mind the author having a point of view.  Just make it believable and I am yours.  So far, well, we will see.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 19, 2011, 01:42:03 am
A 1965 Frank Sinatra antiwar film comes to mind, None but the Brave. Scenario and spoiler follows.

WWII, Japanese troops stuck on Pacific island.
Americans crash on same island.
They fight, call truce, make a deal in which the other surrenders to whoever finds them first.
They help each other, work together to save the only water source from a typhon, extended peaceful coexistence.
USN ship arrives, the Japanese very reluctantly fight their neighbors cause they just gotta and die well though to the gaijin Americans, for no reason.
Moral of story, what a terrible waste war is, so sad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_But_the_Brave

Did Sandy see the same movie?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on March 19, 2011, 08:15:26 am
A 1965 Frank Sinatra antiwar film comes to mind, None but the Brave...
Did Sandy see the same movie?

No, but it sounds as though I should. Thanks.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 19, 2011, 09:05:25 am
A 1965 Frank Sinatra antiwar film comes to mind, None but the Brave. Scenario and spoiler follows.

I remember that one. During the war Hollywood put out propaganda that made the "Japs" (slur used for effect) all look like goggle-eyed bucktooth evil bastards. It's unfortunate that this period is being suppressed, but as of this writing you can view "You're a sap Mr. Jap" here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEK45-_5y0s

That should give you a general idea of the war-era propaganda and how it can be used to make peoples minds up for them.

I remember my history teacher in High School tell me that this worked so well, that after the war we had to generate pro-Japanese propaganda. He never did give any examples though. This might be what he was talking about.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Plane on March 19, 2011, 10:23:03 pm
A 1965 Frank Sinatra antiwar film comes to mind, None but the Brave. Scenario and spoiler follows.

I remember that one. During the war Hollywood put out propaganda that made the "Japs" (slur used for effect) all look like goggle-eyed bucktooth evil bastards. ..........
I remember my history teacher in High School tell me that this worked so well, that after the war we had to generate pro-Japanese propaganda. He never did give any examples though. This might be what he was talking about.

Shortly after the War Life Magazine ran an article full of positive facts about the Japaneese , I wonder if that would be hard to find.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 19, 2011, 10:58:09 pm
In American Ceaser, a biography of Macarthur, I recall that inability of Americans to feel sympathy for occupied Japan. The winter after the war the civilians were in a bad way and good old Doug, American Shogun -- military dictator of Japan --  might have been a better title, demanded either bread or bullets. His personal Macarthur mojo made it happen, they were fed. At the same time the damned hennie fritz krauts, were doing pretty well. But then they look like the people of Millwaukie, or maybe Chester Nimitz or Dwight Eisenhower. A better grade of Homo Sap Sap, no doubt.

That movie I mentioned, it's a goodie.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Plane on March 20, 2011, 12:40:30 am
  Read "the Japaneese Mind In Defeat" makes them sound very malliable but prone to panic.Let us be carefull elese they all commit suicide.

    Bonus same issue , a projection of world population growth , way off.
 


http://books.google.com/books?id=q0kEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=The+Japanese+mind+in+defeat+by+Shelley+Mydans.&source=bl&ots=L8GEggYz9n&sig=GrUw8X-yjd2-yFMvfA67Cp8V0JA&hl=en&ei=NI-FTf7gG5LAgQe2nrTgCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20Japanese%20mind%20in%20defeat%20by%20Shelley%20Mydans.&f=false
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 20, 2011, 09:17:16 pm
In Friday's strip, towards the bottom, Chang uses some interesting wording. He refers to the Belters as "you guys" and smiles. I'd bet a few days before it would have been "you people" and a much less pleasant expression. One word makes all the difference.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 21, 2011, 09:30:02 pm
Back on Ceres we have Ed trying to talk Chang out of just following orders.

What I get from his response is surprise that a kid not trusted to do much besides dress himself in this culture did a bad ass grown up thing.

Also that they know now the guy came from Mars, a ship's crewman?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 22, 2011, 11:38:31 am
quoting quadibloc over in that swamp of a thread.
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I guess tomorrows strip is when Ed shares some information, and Captain Chang finds out that Belters can push asteroids around, and many of them happen to have devices for blasting away rock that stands between them and valuable minerals in asteroids. Thermonuclear devices.

He will be... chagrined

Too true
What does Chaing know about what happened to Harris?
Did they give him just enough of the whole picture to get killed?
Does he know about Reggie's nuke in the pants stunt?
Does he even know Harris was stopped by tools, not weapons.
Is what happened to Harris and that dumb kid one of those abuses?
Will he go after their "murderer", another kid.
Wouldn't it be a hoot if Ed out guns Chaing by casually planting Reggie's nuke on the table as in OK,  I see your infantry unit and raise you a tactical nuke. Fold?
Ed is a SMART poker player.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 22, 2011, 12:18:10 pm
What does Chaing know about what happened to Harris?
He should, if he did his due diligence. It was T-cast live.
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Did they give him just enough of the whole picture to get killed?
That's what Ed's argument has been so far.
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Does he know about Reggie's nuke in the pants stunt?
UW troops who elected not to defect probably said something during the debrief. That does not make it widely known and it's possible Chaing was not told.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 22, 2011, 12:28:07 pm
Ain't it nice to talk about the strip?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on March 22, 2011, 08:01:31 pm
Now you jinxed it.  I want to talk about abortion and the Illuminati.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 22, 2011, 08:10:41 pm
And I did it, I imploded those buildings!

Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 23, 2011, 11:00:18 am
So far a slow and stately boil but by golly it is building.

Question though, where are the other 3?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 24, 2011, 10:46:19 am
I know there are a lot of potential examples in the plaza, will we be seeing them all?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 24, 2011, 11:05:49 am
I know there are a lot of potential examples in the plaza, will we be seeing them all?
You dare to ask this question of Mr. Rollercoaster? Now, there's a jinx.

Although, things will work out for the best; I have faith in that. Just as we're now in suspense over the fate of Reggie and Babbette on their journey, very, very soon I expect Ceres will be exciting. I suspect Chang will defect at the end when his enlightened obedience to his orders fails to provoke the desired incident.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 24, 2011, 12:54:51 pm
Rollercoaster?
May I respectfully submit Nicole listening to music all week?
Way better target.

If Chaing defects will one of the others whack him and we so get a Billy Budd moment?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on March 24, 2011, 09:44:09 pm
May I respectfully submit Nicole listening to music all week?
Way better target.

You know I was thinking the exact same thing.  I mean what the hell!

On another note, who was the guy with the bow wrapped about his torso and why did he have a Robin Hood hat?  Would a bow and arrow be an effective weapon on Ceres?

Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 24, 2011, 11:45:38 pm
May I respectfully submit Nicole listening to music all week?
I thought it was just two days. Maybe three. And she's in the solar corona, and things might deviate from prediction at any moment... so there's suspense.

It's unfortunate that the music of the future seems to have gone to silly rhymes, but one can't have everything.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 24, 2011, 11:55:23 pm
Glenn do you mean the guy Nicole wrecked her shovel on back home? The flaky musician boyfriend. Well, he's a flake and he's a musician, I guess. So he dresses funny.

No I see him now, a couple strips back in EFT. As above I guess. And yeah they'd work wherever there's air. Oh hell, an actor? Peter Pan in Space?

Sometimes a guy in a Robin Hood suit is just a guy in a Robin Hood suit
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 25, 2011, 12:04:23 am
Ah, a light goes on on the house of Chaing. The cut off L word too, chortle.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: happycrow on March 25, 2011, 07:51:28 am
So far a slow and stately boil but by golly it is building. Question though, where are the other 3?

DING.
Who are they talking to, and what are they promising them?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: wdg3rd on March 25, 2011, 07:56:22 am
May I respectfully submit Nicole listening to music all week?
I thought it was just two days. Maybe three. And she's in the solar corona, and things might deviate from prediction at any moment... so there's suspense.

It's unfortunate that the music of the future seems to have gone to silly rhymes, but one can't have everything.

Some of us think it's unfortunate that too much music of the present isn't even that good.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on March 25, 2011, 08:52:15 am
And that's legal?

No, It's not illegal.

I love that little bit of exchange.  It subtly exposes a typical flaw in statist thinking--that what is legal is "endorsed", and what is not endorsed should be illegal.  That opens up the door to government-regulation of just about everything, and throws civil society right out the window, or airlock, as the case may be.

Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 25, 2011, 12:01:14 pm
Remember all, the D in federal government is silent.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on March 25, 2011, 12:28:54 pm
Remember all, the D in federal government is silent.

It took me a second, but I got it, I got it!  But I really don't think they're as stealthy or agile as a cat...
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 25, 2011, 01:36:16 pm
I looked it up just to double check, not just cats.
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Feral
adjective
1. existing in a natural state, as animals or plants; not domesticated or cultivated; wild.
2. having reverted to the wild state, as from domestication: a pack of feral dogs roaming the woods.
3. of or characteristic of wild animals; ferocious; brutal

1 is Ed and the rest on Ceres, a noble goal.
2 mostly and 3, are what I meant.

Someone call the dogcatcher.

I have a fix for DC.
A remove the civilians, kids and national treasures.
B return it to it's native state, a swamp.
C release alligators.

I see at least one cable channel outa this one.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 25, 2011, 08:03:13 pm
Some of us think it's unfortunate that too much music of the present isn't even that good.
Well, yes, that's true. I am one of those who thinks that way.

Although some of the music I don't enjoy is still inherently good enough - made by people with talent and ability - but it just has a surface that is unacceptable to my taste. After all, I did not enjoy the first few hits by which the Beatles came to our attention... but they had much later music that I found worthwhile.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 26, 2011, 12:08:45 am
Most of anything is crap, sad to say.

The songs we'd hear on a classic rock station today are not anything near what was actually broadcast from say 1965 to 1975. The very vast majority were and remain pretty much filler. Classical too, we remember maybe an average of 100 pieces each from, to pick a round approximate number, say 100 major composers. Thats out of 2 or 3 centuries of work.

Time does tell.

A recovering deadhead, I got into The Blues in the last few years, what with Jerry being dead and all. Now that's keeper music.

So far anyway.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Scott on March 26, 2011, 11:25:25 am
I guess my lyrics must be pretty bad if they're getting the smack-down in TWO forums.

>Hangs head in shame, goes back to bed.<

j/k
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 28, 2011, 12:07:38 am
I see we've gone back to Mars for a peek at Reggie and Babette. That's good, because we were wondering what would become of them. But I see that Babette made it to rejuv, so Reggie's driving couldn't have been that bad.

And here I was being genre savvy and expecting a cliche...
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Plane on March 28, 2011, 11:01:34 am
There must be some limit to how much the Nanobots can rebuild a body, I would guess that too much change would cause the original person to be lost entirely, if that happened more than a few times rejuv would become unpopular.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on March 28, 2011, 01:03:40 pm
There must be some limit to how much the Nanobots can rebuild a body, I would guess that too much change would cause the original person to be lost entirely, if that happened more than a few times rejuv would become unpopular.

That's not the way it is expected to work. Life extension will only do thing such as removing plaque from arteries, remove kruft from mitochondria and lengthening telomeres. That doesn't change who "you" are any more than doesshedding skin.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 28, 2011, 05:21:04 pm
That's not the way it is expected to work. Life extension will only do thing such as removing plaque from arteries, remove kruft from mitochondria and lengthening telomeres. That doesn't change who "you" are any more than doesshedding skin.
Quite right. As long as the nanobots tread very carefully when working on the brain, there should be no problem. Also, not rewriting one's DNA is a good idea if one is planning to have children.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: mellyrn on March 28, 2011, 06:59:40 pm
Nanobots can do what they're told to do.  If we don't know to tell them, then they won't.  There might be more to aging than what the programmers imagine; as, a century ago (my time), someone doing life-extension technology wouldn't know, say, to extend telomeres.  In the EFT world I expect that, after a while, neglected aspects would show up as people are partially rejuvenated.  Some aspects may be readily addressed by the bots, and others might remain medical mysteries for some time.  Still, that might not be Sandy's story to tell.  If "rejuv" is a background issue in EFT, I'm cool with that.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: wdg3rd on March 28, 2011, 07:40:37 pm
That's not the way it is expected to work. Life extension will only do thing such as removing plaque from arteries, remove kruft from mitochondria and lengthening telomeres. That doesn't change who "you" are any more than doesshedding skin.
Quite right. As long as the nanobots tread very carefully when working on the brain, there should be no problem. Also, not rewriting one's DNA is a good idea if one is planning to have children.

Depends on whether you're planning on inflicting on your kids some of the "gifts" your parents gave you.  Diabetes and rheumatoid arthritis are a couple of the reasons I chose not to breed.  With a bit of editing I could have healthy kids.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 29, 2011, 10:50:32 am
Gene pools and puddles.

Lady on the bus yesterday commented on the cute baby someone had aboard.

Says I, in my family if the kid has only one head we throw a party, if it's on the right end it's a BIG party.

She thought I was kidding.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 29, 2011, 10:52:40 am
I see echos of the system used in Pallas in the EFT rejuv.

And thanks for the fast forward, I suppose Ceres is firmly under UW control by now, or not.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on March 29, 2011, 12:56:08 pm
Most of anything is crap, sad to say.

The songs we'd hear on a classic rock station today are not anything near what was actually broadcast from say 1965 to 1975. The very vast majority were and remain pretty much filler. Classical too, we remember maybe an average of 100 pieces each from, to pick a round approximate number, say 100 major composers. Thats out of 2 or 3 centuries of work.


Wasn't it Theodore Sturgeon who said that 90% of everything is crap?  So you're a fan of whatever genre you like the 90% in, even if you like the 10% of all or most other genres.   ;-)
Personally, music seems to be a game of pattern recognition, and some things simply take longer to grasp than others.  There's a certain range that people tend to like between what they're familiar with and what is novel.



Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 29, 2011, 04:33:17 pm
Pattern recognition, good point macsnafu.

Me, I need complex music, Bach, insturmental bluegrass, big band, good rock, anything with layers and interrelations. For a long time it has been Jerome John Garcia and friends.

I've got 3 brothers who also like The Dead. One, the stodgy republican pilar of community type one, will fast forward through the long complex jams, noise to him. True, on an off day, can be. The other less conformist ones and I like them fine. Yet he'll listen to accapella singing all day long, nasty noise to me. Lately for me good old Chicago Blues, complex music and deep words too.

Rap, boring, no complexity, just someone reciting bad poetry next to an air compressor. Some musician's grandfather must be deeply disapointed. As in, that's it?

Opinions there, got one just the other thing.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 29, 2011, 06:32:06 pm
I see echos of the system used in Pallas in the EFT rejuv.

I know I've read the whole series at least twice, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 29, 2011, 06:35:16 pm
Uh oh, they locked my thread. You know, the one I created when another thread went OT. 

Since this was a thread that was a branch created off my thread, you know what happens next....

Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 29, 2011, 07:26:09 pm
Pallas by L Neil Smith, the adventures of Emerson Ngu on said asteroid?

They have a tank machine that reads and maybe corrects your genetic blueprint to see what it is supposed to be like, then rebuilds you to the original specifications.

The thread was a mercy killing, it went weird places.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Plane on March 29, 2011, 11:15:06 pm
There must be some limit to how much the Nanobots can rebuild a body, I would guess that too much change would cause the original person to be lost entirely, if that happened more than a few times rejuv would become unpopular.

That's not the way it is expected to work. Life extension will only do thing such as removing plaque from arteries, remove kruft from mitochondria and lengthening telomeres. That doesn't change who "you" are any more than doesshedding skin.

So it isn't a mere reset button.

Is Kruft a medical term?

You send me to search mode all the time.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 30, 2011, 12:09:01 am
Is Kruft a medical term?
No. Is meant "cruft", slang term for garbage, junk, detritus.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on March 30, 2011, 10:20:31 am
Pattern recognition, good point macsnafu.

Me, I need complex music, Bach, insturmental bluegrass, big band, good rock, anything with layers and interrelations. For a long time it has been Jerome John Garcia and friends.

...

Rap, boring, no complexity, just someone reciting bad poetry next to an air compressor. Some musician's grandfather must be deeply disapointed. As in, that's it?

At the risk of going OT...
Rap, blues, heavy metal all tend to be too repetitive and boring.  I like  good pop with its formulaic structure, but I'm also big on classic prog rock (like Genesis and Yes) and artists like Christopher Cross and Steely Dan.  I really got into smooth jazz for a while, but while it's better than some, it takes some effort to keep it out of a slump or rut.  I like Bob James and Brian Culbertson from the smooth jazz genre.  I've explored some older jazz, but don't have any really strong opinions on it.  Brand X had some good jazz/rock fusion.
Yes I listen to some classical, especially Mozart and Bach.  There's something very mathematical about good Baroque. 
And I listen to a few other odd things.  Michael Gulezian is a great acoustic guitarist--not quite classical, but in that direction.   Ned Lagin only did one album, Seastones, but it's really great for electronic music.  Solar Fields is also quite interesting--not pure electronic/ambient, but in that direction.   Another interesting band I've discovered is called Tortoise.  They're hard to classify, and that's part of what makes them interesting.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 30, 2011, 11:07:32 am
Good Gods, you like, have heard, when no one has even heard of, Seastones? Impressed.

Abstract art, I have heard of but not heard Greyfolded, a nearly 2 hour version of Dark Star. On the list.

Call it proto-metal but the early Hawkwind, some of it writen and preformed by SF writer Michael Moorcock might suit.

And Floyd, always Floyd from the Roger Waters era. Once, only, never again, I played just part of Animals out loud with the Quality Control Beagle in the cabin with me, Once.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 30, 2011, 11:14:36 am
Failed Rejuv Alert
Failed Rejuv Alert
His Beard Fell Off
Any other parts missing too?

OK, I have seen this before, the actor who played Reggie demanded a raise or else, so...
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 30, 2011, 11:22:37 am
I am shocked at Reggie's new appearance! He was such a handsome older man. Now, he is younger, and has an admirable physique... but why did he give himself such an ugly face?

I know this is... tendentious. But for whatever reason, while Sov. King had dark skin, his ancestry did not give him the common facial features of people from some parts of Africa - a broad nose and thick lips. I would have tended to suspect that even in a society where race doesn't mean what it does now - that being black doesn't make others think of poverty, crime, and a lack of education - people's ideas of attractive facial features still tend to result from imprinting on their parents, and a special case such as that of Asian features is not applicable in this case.

He is young and healthy... but less good-looking, I think, even in that future age, to the typical Caucasian.

I doubt this is a big deal, but it can affect people. (It may be his past that made him decide not to look exactly the way he did when he was younger, of course...)

Mind you, we still haven't seen what Babette has done to herself...
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 30, 2011, 11:29:44 am
Agreed, because,
A, Olde guys STILL rule.
B, He looks taller.
C, His face is wider.
therefore, they hired a different actor.

So who will be the first to cut and paste a side by side old new Reggie?
Or maybe he is or was on the lam?
Had old Reggie's face been tinkered with.

At least he is still black and male, maybe Babbette had secret gender issues, kinky.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on March 30, 2011, 02:04:39 pm
Good Gods, you like, have heard, when no one has even heard of, Seastones? Impressed.

Abstract art, I have heard of but not heard Greyfolded, a nearly 2 hour version of Dark Star. On the list.

Call it proto-metal but the early Hawkwind, some of it writen and preformed by SF writer Michael Moorcock might suit.

And Floyd, always Floyd from the Roger Waters era. Once, only, never again, I played just part of Animals out loud with the Quality Control Beagle in the cabin with me, Once.

I like checking out the bargain bins, pawn shops and thrift stores for music and videos.  If it's cheap enough and interesting enough, it might actually be worth it. Sometimes you'll find real treasures.  That's how I found Seastones on cassette.  I also found a copy (on 8-track tape!) of the 1977 Hawkwind album,  Quark, Strangeness and Charm.  Fun album, but not so metal-ish as the ealier stuff.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 30, 2011, 03:38:47 pm
Agreed, because,
A, Olde guys STILL rule.
B, He looks taller.
C, His face is wider.
therefore, they hired a different actor.

So who will be the first to cut and paste a side by side old new Reggie?
Or maybe he is or was on the lam?
Had old Reggie's face been tinkered with.

At least he is still black and male, maybe Babbette had secret gender issues, kinky.

compare "Joe King"   page=312
with today   page=668

No real radical changes, I'm not sure who drew what though. Wider face to hide from the UW? So far Reggie hasn't seemed concerned about a price on his head.

I'd wonder if looking like he's 29 years old would have an impact on his Arbitration profession.

--

>When you are ready, I will take you to join your … wife.

I don't know what that quote from the technician meant, unless Babbette decided to become a T-man...
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 30, 2011, 04:32:14 pm
Or lack of paperwork.

Really now, when the groom is the preacher and the judge and probably the justice of the peace, who's left? I know, Sov Rosenberg is a clergyman of his faith in his spare time too, still.

No telling what cultural splinter group runs the clinic. I'm rooting for the retro Marilyn Monroe look myself.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 30, 2011, 04:39:26 pm
I raided my CD stash, then the town library for MP3s, and a college library, and my brother's collection. One day I'll tap the Chicago Public Library blues collection, I assume it it is raw-ther vast. It helps that my sister in law works there. Just sit there and rip with the info from their wi fi.

One day maybe next year we will be anchored in some remote cove halfway to Alaska but by golly, we will have tunes.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: wdg3rd on March 30, 2011, 04:50:56 pm
Didn't the thread on music start over in the Quantum Wave forum?

Been a fan of Hawkwond since I found a copy of "Warrior on the Edge of Time" back in '75.  Yeah, I bought it because I was a fan of Moorcock.  I was never into metal for the sake of metal, though.  Of their albums, "Quark" is actually my favorite LP by Hawkwind, unless you count the independent effort by Calvert, "Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters".

The local "classic rock" station of course never plays any Hawkwind.  Over and over I request "Urban Guerrilla" to no avail.

My music tastes tend to be a bit eclectic and all over the map.  I recall a time when my (LP) changer had a stack of Hawkwind, Steeleye Span, John Hartford, the Mothers, Gregorian chants and Janis Ian.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 30, 2011, 05:43:09 pm
The combo platter, please, which is yet another great thing about MP3s
Another is the exposure of odd stuff. I did download from the original napster, Janis Joplin doing Love light with the Grateful Dead in a duet with her sweetheart, they say, Pigpen Mckearnen, not long before both died.
Don't hear that on the radio either.

Out of the general public, how many have even heard of Hawkwind?
Yet 3 here.
Ain't we special.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 30, 2011, 07:11:51 pm
compare "Joe King"   page=312
with today   page=668

No real radical changes, I'm not sure who drew what though. Wider face to hide from the UW?
To me, it does seem like he changed his face radically - to a face Babette is less likely to find attractive.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: wdg3rd on March 30, 2011, 08:42:39 pm
Out of the general public, how many have even heard of Hawkwind?
Yet 3 here.
Ain't we special.

Well, we're sort of a pre-self-selected subset of the public just to get to this forum.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: J Thomas on March 30, 2011, 10:13:31 pm
cold missouri waters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuEuoaMpWWI&feature=related

Czech mountain holler.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5lrt_Uk07g&feature=related

Van Canto - The Mission
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F9aJuHJE80&feature=channel

Rights of man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y41cSnl7q6U&feature=related

Under the bridge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usk0z_fKY6U&feature=related

Farewll and adieu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0lDdrUFgME&feature=related

Sailing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HhbkVuskKU&feature=related

Is it OK to post links?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 30, 2011, 10:50:39 pm
Is it OK to post links?
I can't answer that kind of a question, not running this forum.

But that "&feature=related" just shows where you went to the page from, and can be trimmed off.

It is wonderful that YouTube has reached an agreement with the music companies, so that there is this nice source of music on the Internet that is both convenient and legal.

EDIT: I see that while he still isn't as good-looking as his old self, he looks better in today's strip than he did in yesterday's.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on March 31, 2011, 09:15:44 am
Out of the general public, how many have even heard of Hawkwind?
Yet 3 here.
Ain't we special.

Well, we're sort of a pre-self-selected subset of the public just to get to this forum.


Otherwise known as selection bias.    :P
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 31, 2011, 09:36:14 am
Still kinda odd, the Hawkwind and Seastones thing.

Meanwhile, back on Mars. Either she is cosmetically still old or virtual jailbait, I betcha. Knowing Management here, I suspect a weekend cliffhanger. I'm still hoping for the classic whole lotta woman MM look.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on March 31, 2011, 09:41:59 am
Still kinda odd, the Gawkwind and Seastones thing.

Meanwhile, back on Mars. Either she is cosmetically still old or virtual jailbait, I betcha. Knowing Management here, I suspect a weekend cliffhanger. I'm still hoping for the classic whole lotta woman MM look.

Well, better the Marilyn Monroe look than the Marilyn Manson look. 
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 31, 2011, 10:26:16 am
Yep and better Audrey Hepburn than Katherine Hepburn. Woof.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: NeitherRuleNorBeRuled on March 31, 2011, 12:35:23 pm
Meanwhile, back on Mars. Either she is cosmetically still old or virtual jailbait, I betcha.

Perhaps she's now a ringer for the person formerly known as "Babbette the Younger".
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on March 31, 2011, 12:38:37 pm
I'm going for Babette's surprising transformation being half of the "Gift of the Magi" prediction I made a while back, even if the other half was more than wrong. I'm hoping to salvage some Moxana points out of this.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 31, 2011, 12:46:29 pm
To me, it does seem like he changed his face radically - to a face Babette is less likely to find attractive.

Ideally, we'd be comparing notes on panels drawn by the same artist.
Title: Meanwhile back on Ceres^H^H^H^H^H MARS
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 31, 2011, 12:49:53 pm
Whoh look at that! we're off topic again. 

Maybe I should start a "meanwhile back on Mars..." thread?  ;-)
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on March 31, 2011, 01:22:28 pm
Perhaps she's now a ringer for the person formerly known as "Babbette the Younger".

Twisted, perverted and disturbing.... I like it.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on March 31, 2011, 04:13:10 pm
A quick one, maybe he blabbed while drunk and she looks like, I forget the name right now, Guy's girl, Florenia? As fantasized on his ast trip to Mars, you know, enhanced.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Corydon on April 01, 2011, 06:29:44 am
Yep, Babette is a babe!  Whoo hoo!

... though "you look mahhhhvelous" was Fernando Lamas' (and Billy Crystal's) line, not Ricardo Montalban's.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on April 01, 2011, 08:45:21 am
Oh no!  You didn't just make a Fantasy Island reference, did you?  Not that I didn't enjoy the show when it was on, but it seems out of place here.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on April 01, 2011, 09:06:01 am
Yep, Babette is a babe!  Whoo hoo!

... though "you look mahhhhvelous" was Fernando Lamas' (and Billy Crystal's) line, not Ricardo Montalban's.

You are correct, sir. Though I have found some attributions of the phrase to Montalban, they are not persuasive. I will see if I can get Scott to change it.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on April 01, 2011, 09:23:09 am
In 100 years who's gonna know the difference.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on April 01, 2011, 09:24:40 am
Oh no!  You didn't just make a Fantasy Island reference, did you?  Not that I didn't enjoy the show when it was on, but it seems out of place here.

I have been corrected; Fernando Lamas, not Ricardo Montalbán, not Fantasy Island. In any case, have you ever watched Our Gang (Little Rascals) movies? Way before your time, right? Well, people in the future will watch classic movies and TV shows. ("I Love Lucy" will never die!) Besides, people as old as Reggie and Babbette could have actually seen the original Tonight Show episode wherein Lamas reportedly first uttered those words.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on April 01, 2011, 04:06:41 pm
Is Babbette a woman of color now?  At first I thought yes.  She seems a bit darker than before.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on April 01, 2011, 07:14:58 pm
A woman who goes out of her way to make her butt bigger?

Now I know  this is science fiction.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on April 01, 2011, 08:12:39 pm
Is Babbette a woman of color now?  At first I thought yes.  She seems a bit darker than before.

No, she may have gotten tanned up a bit, but she is pretty much what she was when she was in her twenties.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: NeitherRuleNorBeRuled on April 01, 2011, 08:20:54 pm
A woman who goes out of her way to make her butt bigger?
Now I know  this is science fiction.

Preference for large vs. small butts is very much a cultural attribute; even today many groups (although the typical "white European" groups aren't one of them)  prefer larger sizes.   And historically, even "white Europeans" have favored them:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Bustle.JPG (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Bustle.JPG).
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on April 01, 2011, 08:22:44 pm
A woman who goes out of her way to make her butt bigger?

Now I know  this is science fiction.

I guess you aren't very familiar with Latin culture.   ;D

A "bubble butt" isn't necessarily bigger, just more spherical. It's a shape, not a size. See the most popular definition here:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bubble%20butt

Anyway, all Babbette had done, was to reverse the damages of age and gravity.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: NeitherRuleNorBeRuled on April 01, 2011, 08:24:13 pm
No, she may have gotten tanned up a bit, but she is pretty much what she was when she was in her twenties.

Speaking of which, thank you for not insulting us with yet another Christmastime "Magi Moment" plot contrivance.  :)
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: NeitherRuleNorBeRuled on April 01, 2011, 08:33:02 pm
Speaking of which, thank you for not insulting us with yet another Christmastime "Magi Moment" plot contrivance.  :)

.... Although, if I read that Chang gets visited in the night by three spirits, then bursts out of bed proclaiming that he has now embraced AnCap principles, I'll withdraw my thanks and give up on the strip. >:( >:( ;D
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on April 01, 2011, 09:00:35 pm
No, she may have gotten tanned up a bit, but she is pretty much what she was when she was in her twenties.
There go my Moxana points!

A woman who goes out of her way to make her butt bigger?

Now I know this is science fiction.
Perhaps you would enjoy "Empowered" from Dark Horse Press.

But even among Caucasians, not all cultures have the same concept of feminine beauty. Thus, I've seen it said that Italian women, as well as Latin women, are comfortable with curves.

In fact, reading "Empowered", I've gained some insight into why some women are uncomfortable with a little padding even though it doesn't make them less attractive. They want a chaste beauty, not a torrid sexy beauty... because they want to attract the right sort of man to love them for the right sort of reasons.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on April 02, 2011, 10:04:22 am
Ok, enough, I conceed.
Bubble butt and lard ass are not the same thing outside of my own minds.
High and tight is not the same as flaccid and droopy.

Butt in other news, what is going on back home on Ceres?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on April 02, 2011, 10:09:08 am
All this lovey dovey stuff though, feelings and kissen and smoochin, awww. How about a new thread, Is EFT becoming a chick flick? ;D
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on April 03, 2011, 07:10:34 pm
It looks like Babette went down to about thirty.  Why not a bit more, say 18 or 20.  Does it cost more to get younger?

If it was me I would go back you about 15.  Start completely over.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on April 03, 2011, 09:20:33 pm
It looks like Babette went down to about thirty.  Why not a bit more, say 18 or 20.  Does it cost more to get younger?

She settled for around 25. There is not a linear relationship between simple age and cost.

If it was me I would go back you about 15.  Start completely over.

Been there, done that. I would have no interest in looking 15. I think I looked my best around age 30.

(BTW, you don't teach English, do you? You might want to read up on the  subjunctive mood and the nominative case. You are a role model, after all.)
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on April 04, 2011, 02:29:24 am
It looks like Babette went down to about thirty.  Why not a bit more, say 18 or 20.  Does it cost more to get younger?
There really is no reason to want to be mistaken for someone excessively young and immature. Age 26, say, rather than 30 might not be unreasonable, but not too far below that.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: mellyrn on April 04, 2011, 06:07:42 am
Quote
There really is no reason to want to be mistaken for someone excessively young and immature.

Agreed, no reason.  I think I'd go back to about 10/ten:  close enough to adult size to retain simple physical competencies, while simultaneously seriously disconnecting my psychological age from my physical one.  The disorientation that would cause to others would greatly amuse my Inner Child.  It's not a reason, or at least certainly not a good one. . . bwahaha.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on April 04, 2011, 06:58:29 am
Quote
(BTW, you don't teach English, do you? You might want to read up on the  subjunctive mood and the nominative case. You are a role model, after all.)

You are such a lovely man.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on April 06, 2011, 11:01:21 am
Oh no!  You didn't just make a Fantasy Island reference, did you?  Not that I didn't enjoy the show when it was on, but it seems out of place here.

I have been corrected; Fernando Lamas, not Ricardo Montalbán, not Fantasy Island. In any case, have you ever watched Our Gang (Little Rascals) movies? Way before your time, right? Well, people in the future will watch classic movies and TV shows. ("I Love Lucy" will never die!) Besides, people as old as Reggie and Babbette could have actually seen the original Tonight Show episode wherein Lamas reportedly first uttered those words.

I watch a lot of older stuff, thanks to dvd's and the internet.  Some of it is just good entertainment, and some I just find interesting for historical reasons, like the Charlie Chaplin shorts of 1914-15.
The restored Metropolis, for example, makes a lot more sense than the previously shortened version I had watched.  And the Tom and Jerry cartoons by Van Beuren in the early 30's (before the cat and mouse) are just plain surreal and fun.
I just couldn't imagine Fantasy Island holding up so well after a few hundred years, even if it is readily available.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on April 07, 2011, 06:51:53 am
The strip has taken three days to explain one joke.  We get it already.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: mellyrn on April 07, 2011, 07:09:34 am
There's a point in Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land where Harshaw earnestly explains that "There never was a woman who was older than eighteen in her heart."

I've long said that there never was a man who was older than ten in his.  Thank you, Reggie!   :D
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on April 07, 2011, 11:13:09 am
That old?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: macsnafu on April 07, 2011, 02:53:29 pm
That old?

Well, old enough to know not to put your hand in the fire.  Now putting a Pop Tart in the microwave for a whole minute is another matter.

Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Plane on April 19, 2011, 10:32:25 pm
That old?

Well, old enough to know not to put your hand in the fire.  Now putting a Pop Tart in the microwave for a whole minute is another matter.



Even better , (for the ten at heart)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCNNqgKqnaQ
Title: Re: Сны и сновиде
Post by: quadibloc on April 21, 2011, 10:43:47 pm
Сны - загадка нашей психики.
Google translate tells me this is advertising copy for a service that interprets dreams, although without contact information.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 03, 2011, 07:15:57 am
Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 03, 2011, 07:54:23 am
Did I miss something?

There was a snafu on posting the strips. Just go backwards ("Prev. Strip") to pick up anything you may have missed.

I will note in passing that as of a few minutes ago, EFT is the 81st most popular strip on Top Comics. In the recent past it was hovering in the high 90s. So, it is clear to me that what you folks like is sex and violence (but not romance).  ::)

I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: happycrow on May 03, 2011, 08:03:36 am
Judging by the forum comments, I think they like the politics.   ;D
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on May 03, 2011, 09:47:05 am
Text showing up in Russian, Cyrilc Alphabet and all. Probably automated.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 03, 2011, 09:59:03 am
OK it looks to me like this is what happened.  Black Mamba got a phone call which upset her. She shoots Ed.  Ed wakes up and everything seems fine.

I assume you will go back and fill us in but I am curious as to why you would do it that way?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 03, 2011, 10:13:44 am
Judging by the forum comments, I think they like the politics.   ;D

Yeah, but the readers vote for sex and violence. Hmm, I wonder why...
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 03, 2011, 10:19:31 am
I assume you will go back and fill us in but I am curious as to why you would do it that way?

Dramatic tension. Books and movies have been using flash backs in exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason, for ages. See also, "denouement."
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Aardvark on May 03, 2011, 10:30:02 am
Quote
Glenn Watson: OK it looks to me like this is what happened.  Black Mamba got a phone call which upset her. She shoots Ed.  Ed wakes up and everything seems fine.

I assume you will go back and fill us in but I am curious as to why you would do it that way?

UW News spin: Another shooting on Ceres. An innocent bystander was critically wounded. Yet another reason to ban guns!  :o

It was critical that Chang explain to Ed that autodocs are officially illegal on Earth and that only the rich have them.  ::) I guess Ed has been on Ceres for a while.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Aardvark on May 03, 2011, 11:16:20 am
Quote
Sandy: Dramatic tension. Books and movies have been using flash backs in exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason, for ages. See also, "denouement."

Yeah, that must be it. The last time I saw a cut away this dramatic was in the 1966 Batman movie. Batman and Robin were trapped on a buoy and a torpedo was about run into them. The next scene they are riding away in the Batboat.

Robin: "Gosh, Batman. The nobility of the almost human porpoise!"

Batman: "True, Robin. It was noble of that animal to hurl itself into the path of that final torpedo. He gave his life for ours."
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 03, 2011, 02:24:07 pm
I assume you will go back and fill us in but I am curious as to why you would do it that way?

Dramatic tension. Books and movies have been using flash backs in exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason, for ages. See also, "denouement."

Still seems like you skipped a step to me.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 03, 2011, 04:09:22 pm
I assume you will go back and fill us in but I am curious as to why you would do it that way?

Dramatic tension. Books and movies have been using flash backs in exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason, for ages. See also, "denouement."

Still seems like you skipped a step to me.

Okay. Perhaps the conclusion of the denouement will help.

Anyway, as I have quoted before:

"But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself"


I'm please. ;D
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on May 03, 2011, 10:45:24 pm
Did I miss something?
I will note in passing that as of a few minutes ago, EFT is the 81st most popular strip on Top Comics. In the recent past it was hovering in the high 90s. So, it is clear to me that what you folks like is sex and violence (but not romance).  ::)

I like everything except the The Martian Meteor week  :-P  Oh and I've had access to, oh, a few different IP addresses at work so I've been voting several times a day. That's A-OK by the rules BTW.

Anyway, I wanted to see how easy the ratings are to game. It turns out it's pretty easy even without massive use of proxies
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: mellyrn on May 04, 2011, 06:26:26 am
Quote
Anyway, I wanted to see how easy the ratings are to game.

Hmm.  Is that "gaming", really?  A simple count of "those who like this item" gives us one sort of information.  Multiple votes, otoh, can represent intensity of liking, which gives us another metric, as would being able to vote against.  What, specifically, do we want to know in popularity polls?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: J Thomas on May 04, 2011, 07:29:58 am
Quote
Anyway, I wanted to see how easy the ratings are to game.

Hmm.  Is that "gaming", really?  A simple count of "those who like this item" gives us one sort of information.  Multiple votes, otoh, can represent intensity of liking, which gives us another metric, as would being able to vote against.  What, specifically, do we want to know in popularity polls?

If it takes some time and effort to vote, then somebody who votes 5 times as often likes it more intensely.

But if somebody has access to, say, 100 IP addresses and he has the skills to set up a bot to vote automaticly 100 times a day until he says stop, that looks to me like gaming the system.

Not that there's anything *wrong* with that....
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Azure Priest on May 04, 2011, 08:01:54 am
Quote from: Ed
Too bad I missed that.

We all are upset at that.  Now what's going to happen to Ms. Black Mamba?  Will she get a courtsmartial since she was defying what appears to be standing UW orders by firing ON CAMERA at an unarmed civilian?  Or since she committed attempted murder on Ceres soil would she stand before an "informal" Ceres firing squad of one, named Ed?

Last time, Harris and the weapon officer were POWs.  This time it's not so clear.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on May 04, 2011, 08:35:44 am
And since Ed's similar wound was easily fixed, the Weapons Officer could have been saved, but was not. Harris though, messy.

Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 04, 2011, 09:19:36 am
Oh and I've had access to, oh, a few different IP addresses at work so I've been voting several times a day. That's A-OK by the rules BTW.

It's okay by my rules, as well. Thanks!
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on May 04, 2011, 06:50:05 pm
Now what's going to happen to Ms. Black Mamba?  Will she get a courtsmartial since she was defying what appears to be standing UW orders by firing ON CAMERA at an unarmed civilian?
It's not clear what will happen to her, but I think we'll find out quickly.

My concern is what will happen to Chang. I would consider it very foolish of him to return to Earth. Just because he can say he acted according to the book is not really protection as his actions were unhelpful to the intent of the rulers of the UW. Repressive regimes are not known for being "governments of laws and not men".
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 04, 2011, 08:59:16 pm
It's not clear what will happen to her, but I think we'll find out quickly.

I agree, if by quickly you mean three of four weeks.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on May 04, 2011, 10:06:18 pm
It's okay by my rules, as well. Thanks!

We'll see how long this assignment lasts. Need permanent employment.

Hmm.  Is that "gaming", really?  A simple count of "those who like this item" gives us one sort of information. 

I think I pumped about 70 votes into the system last month, which will move you quite far in the rankings. It's all within the rules, but I wanted to see what one person could do. The average person does not have easy access to more than one or two IP addresses, so strips that appeal to the tech-literate, I would guess would rank higher.

Still, you are more than welcome to vote from home and from work, (unless you're a hater, then you can vote for every strip except EFT to dilute the votes down).

But if somebody has access to, say, 100 IP addresses and he has the skills to set up a bot to vote automaticly 100 times a day until he says stop, that looks to me like gaming the system.

There is a captcha, but it's easy for a human to solve. Still, I'd not likely do a hundred per day. I've never seen a repeat, but I suppose you could script something so you would only have to solve it once. Efficiently switching between 100 IP addresses would also take some skillz. I doubt a hundred repetitions `ifconfig eth0 down ; sleep 45 ; ifconfig eth0 up` is really going to happen, and hand moving the cable would be a PITA.

I also have to wonder if they really would accept 255 votes, all coming in between 5:01 PM and 5:13 PM from 10.10.10.0/24 in numerical order for the same comic.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 06, 2011, 06:43:23 am
We are seeing a rookie mistake and a strange one when you think about it. 

This is a comic strip.  It uses pictures and words.  In that way comics are like movies.  Why would the creator ignore the use of pictures and simply describe the entire climatic scene expos facto?

This method seems lazy and rushed, worse it takes away all the drama and turns the strip into nothing more than a dry history lesson.  This method satisfies our curiosity about what happened but does not thrill us with the opportunity of seeing it happen.  Imagine if the fight scene in Rocky had been described by the recently awakened Apollo Creed rather that filming the actual fight.  Imagine if any climatic scene in a movie or comic was simply described later rather than shown as it happened.  This method works better in a novel but in an art form with pictures its a big mistake.

I am frankly disappointed and this is not just an issue of different people liking different things, like with the roller coaster incident.  This is a real flaw in the story I am quantified to point out due to long experience with this art form.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: J Thomas on May 06, 2011, 09:00:39 am

This is a comic strip.  It uses pictures and words.  In that way comics are like movies.  Why would the creator ignore the use of pictures and simply describe the entire climatic scene expos facto?

My first thought is to agree with you.

But let's wait and see. Maybe there's a more important climax coming that would leave too much attention on this one feeling like premature ejaculation.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on May 06, 2011, 09:08:43 am
Chaing is an OK guy after all.

But Rhonda, if her minions went AWOL to the compost bin, what of her. My, won't she and Ed have a nice little chat soon. Will little Kate whack her like Harris, or will her parents or will Ed. They all have a claim.

What did we really miss after the shooting Glenn, a bunch of guys jumping on her and her arrest or detention. I don't need to see it in pictures, I get it fine.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 06, 2011, 09:51:56 am
I am frankly disappointed and this is not just an issue of different people liking different things, like with the roller coaster incident.  This is a real flaw in the story I am quantified to point out due to long experience with this art form.

First, this is an adaptation from prose stories. I think Scott and the artists have done very well in the adaptation, but if you want to see how the prose reads, check out Amazon for Adventures in Human Space.

Second, let's face it, the strip is intended to get you to buy the EFT book. You can buy the book or defeat our nefarious plan simply by exercising some patience and only reading once a week or once a month, whatever.

Third, you are only "qualified" to give your opinion. I doubt your "long experience with this art form" is not as a creator of comics. Which brings us back again to nothing more than your personal preferences. If people have paid you to write comics or other fiction, please send us the URL. Otherwise, I think it is presumptuous of you to claim any sort of "qualifications" other than as an avid reader. Of course, every reader can make his own subjective assessments, but using words like "flaw," as though your personal preferences are holy writ, is way beyond your pay grade.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: mellyrn on May 06, 2011, 09:54:34 am
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This is a real flaw in the story I am quantified to point out due to long experience with this art form.

(How does one get "quantified to comment"?)

If it's such a disappointment, don't read it.  Your displeasure, expressed over and over, indicates that you are wasting your own time, reading what does not please.  Then you compound the wastage by reexperiencing your displeasure verbally in the forum, so you get the dysphoria at least twice over.

Honest critiquing does not limit itself to commenting on flaws, but notes the features as well.  An honest critic who honestly only finds flaws will stop torturing himself and quit reading. 

Humans, being social animals, evaluate other members of the community all the time (not always well, it's true).  Your behavior re criticism here leaves me figuring you for a creative wannabe.  It's as though you read for the dubious fun of finding stuff to shoot down.  Even once saying, "I really like [insert EFT trait here]", would earn you honest-critic cred.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 06, 2011, 10:21:41 am
Second, let's face it, the strip is intended to get you to buy the EFT book.

I see.  Now it makes sense.  Its not a flaw just a calculated marketing ploy.  I should have known.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: quadibloc on May 06, 2011, 10:35:50 am
First, this is an adaptation from prose stories. I think Scott and the artists have done very well in the adaptation, but if you want to see how the prose reads, check out Amazon for Adventures in Human Space.
While I may not be able to run out and buy a copy immediately, it is going to be something I keep in mind to do eventually.

It seemed to me that there's a logical flaw in the comic, since Ed has just awoken from being shot, and he is recalling a rescue mission - that presumably succeeded, and eliminated the need for the farce of distracting Rhonda, after he went out there with mask and dancing girls. However, that's apparently because I made a false assumption about the time sequence of events initially - instead, for some reason, Rhonda needed to be distracted after Kate was rescued.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 06, 2011, 01:21:18 pm
Humans, being social animals, evaluate other members of the community all the time (not always well, it's true).  Your behavior re criticism here leaves me figuring you for a creative wannabe.

To be honest, Glenn Watson has expressed some positive thoughts,* though I think your analysis is still spot on. Readers are readers, but when they become posters, I think the percentage of creative wannabes goes way up. I think that is fine. The more creativity in the world, the better. Of course for there to be more creativity, the wannabes must convert their desire into action.

There are a number of people on this list who have both the desire and the ability to be writers. I will leave you to figure out whose those people may be. Note, these are not necessarily people who follow the EFT "party line." Talent is talent. It is how one expresses oneself that is the mark of a good writer.

So the forum has true contributors and it has trolls.

Some of both categories are wannabe writers. The onces who may make it, pay attention, make well-reasoned comments and are succinct and focused in their writing. The also strive to us correct grammar and spelling use obviously take pains to use the write words and to respect their denotations and connotations.

The trolls vary from just the cynical to the pathological, who fear and hate anyone else's accomplishments, because they (correctly) see it as an indictment of their pathetic inability to connect with others or create anything of value.


* True, Glenn Watson has been kicked off numerous fora. To be honest I cannot imagine why. Yeah, he can be annoying and he has, from time to time, gotten under my skin. However, but he hasn't done anything nearly bad enough to get him kicked off the Forum, and he has made positive contributions to our discussions. Big Head Press is probably more tolerant than some, but unless Glenn Watson was a lot worst in the past, the other forum admins must have been a bunch of very thin-skinned, overly-sensitive, PC wusses.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 06, 2011, 01:23:53 pm
Second, let's face it, the strip is intended to get you to buy the EFT book.

I see.  Now it makes sense.  Its not a flaw just a calculated marketing ploy.  I should have known.

It's not a bug, it's a feature. ;D
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 06, 2011, 01:30:25 pm
First, this is an adaptation from prose stories. I think Scott and the artists have done very well in the adaptation, but if you want to see how the prose reads, check out Amazon for Adventures in Human Space.
While I may not be able to run out and buy a copy immediately, it is going to be something I keep in mind to do eventually.

It seemed to me that there's a logical flaw in the comic, since Ed has just awoken from being shot, and he is recalling a rescue mission - that presumably succeeded, and eliminated the need for the farce of distracting Rhonda, after he went out there with mask and dancing girls. However, that's apparently because I made a false assumption about the time sequence of events initially - instead, for some reason, Rhonda needed to be distracted after Kate was rescued.

Ed must have had an out of body experience...

No, just assume that Chang was not Ed's first visitor. No one would have let Chang in until Ed's friends and co-conspirators had had a chance to see how he was doing and to fill him in on the actual rescue. But still a good pickup, Q. :)
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: J Thomas on May 06, 2011, 06:05:22 pm
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I guess they could be anywhere by now ....

That's so beautiful. Like Chang just completely missed the point....
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 06, 2011, 10:18:16 pm
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I guess they could be anywhere by now ....

That's so beautiful. Like Chang just completely missed the point....


I think Chang got.  He just did not want to come right out and announce that the men were dead.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on May 06, 2011, 10:27:59 pm
Plausable deniability too. Elsewhere is ever so much a big place. Me, I like AWOL to the compost bin. Though taking up aquaculture and sleeping with the fishes is good too. Elsewhere.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 07, 2011, 08:25:11 am
The Germans called it 'evacuation".
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on May 07, 2011, 08:33:42 am
Another good one.

So, Glenn, weather there boring enough for ya?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 08, 2011, 07:16:48 pm
Another good one.

So, Glenn, weather there boring enough for ya?

What?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on May 08, 2011, 10:10:19 pm
Stale joke, long expired, please discard.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 11, 2011, 08:28:53 am
Well I guess thats the end of the invasion storyline.  I have to say the build up was good, if marred by the now proven meaningless detour to Mars.  But the ending was a real letdown.  This might have made a better prose story than a comic.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 11, 2011, 09:11:41 am
Well I guess thats the end of the invasion storyline.  I have to say the build up was good, if marred by the now proven meaningless detour to Mars.  But the ending was a real letdown.  This might have made a better prose story than a comic.

Here's the deal about the Mars "detour." It is one segment in an ongoing story line, "The King and I," that also tours human colonies on Venus and Mercury. Which, in turn lead to a subsequent arc. As prose, it was written as a distinct story from the Rhonda arc. The decision was made to blend them, in part, to let the artists switch off. I think in the final book format, it will work, because it will read much faster than with a daily drip.

As to the dramatic construction of the end of the arc, it represents a tried and true technique. Usually, the rule is, "show, don't tell." However, there are some clear exceptions. L. Neil Smith and I had a conversation about it. In one of his Martyn books, the evil brother tortures the good brother, to death. Neil's only reference to the torture was to have the bad brother say, "First, we will start with the eyes..." (ellipses included.) Now that is scary.

My two equivalents in this arc were, "Just for their sick amusement, those animals were humiliating and terrorizing Kate. They had her stripped naked and tied to the storage shelves. They did things ..." and "Chang, my men are only human." In both cases, details are left to the reader's imagination. What did you imagine?

I'm betting readers came up with truly vile visions that would beat anything we could illustrate in a panel. So I think it is far better to just drop hints in the denouement and let readers run wild and create their own mental horror show.

I bet you like the "Hostel" movies. They don't leave anything to the imagination.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on May 11, 2011, 09:34:14 am
L. Neil Smith is big on the dramatic switch off technique.

In the Venus Belt, Win, Koko and Lucy are swarmed by Things With Tentacles. Fade to black. Then they are lazing in the sun, the monsters being revealed as harmless biological remotes for their Orca hosts.

In Hope, ain't gonna happen but one damned fine book, there is a gunshot, Alexander Hope clutches at his chest, break to something completly different for a couple pages, then we discover the clutching was for his pistol in a shoulder holster.

You have read those Glenn, haven't you?
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: GlennWatson on May 11, 2011, 08:27:54 pm
Never seen the Hostel movies or read Hope but there is a difference between a monologue informing us of what happened in the climactic scene and actually doing the work of showing it.  Its a comic strip.  But I suppose honest men can disagree.  I don't care to see a girl being raped but I would have liked to see the action as it happened.  No need to imply this makes me some sort of sick voyeur.

And its a bit late to claim you made some sort of artistic choice when you already admitted you did it to entice people to buy your book.  Nothing wrong with that but lets not pretend that is was a "dramatic" choice.  It wasn't.  You are a capitalist first God love ya.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: SandySandfort on May 11, 2011, 09:40:56 pm
And its a bit late to claim you made some sort of artistic choice when you already admitted you did it to entice people to buy your book. 

Uh, that was what people on my planet call sarcasm. Yes, we want readers to buy the books, but to get them to do that, we just do our best to write and illustrate our stories as well as we can. Sometimes that will mean we will use artistic techniques that frustrate you. Sorry about that, but we calls 'em as we sees 'em.
Title: Re: Meanwhile back on Ceres
Post by: spudit on May 11, 2011, 11:22:39 pm
I am not familiar with the Hostel movies but Glenn, have you seen this dramatic video. I at least, think it's a hoot and the ending is hardly subtle at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4sZ2A04GrY&feature=player_embedded