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Title: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: wdg3rd on March 20, 2010, 03:21:07 am
Ahh!  Another (hopefully) scene with two nekkid wimmen coming (or at least breathing hard).
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on March 20, 2010, 10:21:24 am
Ahh!  Another (hopefully) scene with two nekkid wimmen coming (or at least breathing hard).

We aim to please.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Zilabus on March 20, 2010, 05:15:54 pm
That's yesterdays comic, right? I sort of lost track and stopped reading after the two nude strips and all of the sci-fi movie refrencing strips, but maybe I'll catch back up. 
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: wdg3rd on March 20, 2010, 09:26:32 pm
Hay-soos, but Silly-bus really seems to be extremely opposed to individual liberty.  I think it might be a TSA plant or something similar.  Objects to the topless (not nude, I'm waiting for those) strips and the references to classic science fiction whether in print or on film.

Henceforth, I just ignore and shun the twit.  Its problems are not mine.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Zilabus on March 20, 2010, 09:51:26 pm
Hay-soos, but Silly-bus really seems to be extremely opposed to individual liberty.  I think it might be a TSA plant or something similar.  Objects to the topless (not nude, I'm waiting for those) strips and the references to classic science fiction whether in print or on film.

Henceforth, I just ignore and shun the twit.  Its problems are not mine.

Wow, you can corrupt my name and insult me without basis. Hilarious man. You're working on a whole other level. Keep it up. I wasn't saying I didn't like the content of the strips, just that I had lost track after those paticular ones. Funnily enough, you're the one objecting my right to dislike something, so you would be the one opposing individual liberty, (although such concepts don't exist on a privately owned website in the first place.)
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Gillsing on March 23, 2010, 05:22:29 pm
And they just flew out of that hot drop, as if it was the simplest thing in the world! Clearly Racheal (http://indavocomic.com/?p=484) could learn a few lessons from them when it comes to anti-gravity swimming! :D
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on March 25, 2010, 09:11:07 am
And they just flew out of that hot drop, as if it was the simplest thing in the world! Clearly Racheal (http://indavocomic.com/?p=484) could learn a few lessons from them when it comes to anti-gravity swimming! :D

I was pretty much thinking the same and isn't have droplets of water very dangerous ? isn't it possible to get an hydrocution if being in zero-G ambient with thousand of infinitesimal droplets of water around the place ?

But coming back to the more important subject of nekkid wemen ... will I'm pretty sure you guys have a good sense of narrative I really don't see were it goes...

Sure our friend GUY won't be happy about having his girlfriend material used by another person ... and I barely see how does this maybe a critic to marriage since you guys forgeted to mary them in previous episodes

But anyway ... at least we have a proof that Japanese nationality isn't a requisite to lay down ones fantasies with the stroke of a pen ;D
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on March 25, 2010, 10:40:54 am
I was pretty much thinking the same and isn't have droplets of water very dangerous ? isn't it possible to get an hydrocution if being in zero-G ambient with thousand of infinitesimal droplets of water around the place ?

Our hypothetical "airskin" is composed of carbon nano-tubes and nanobots. It has a fairly sophisticated swarm intelligence and can be set to automatically perform a variety of tasks... Like keeping the Big Hot Drop contained.

But coming back to the more important subject of nekkid wemen ... will I'm pretty sure you guys have a good sense of narrative I really don't see were it goes...

Good. Wait for it. One of the things the EFT team decided early on, was that we did not want EFT to be just another war comic. There has been a war, but one in which determined and innovative free people come up with a totally new threat model that the UW--in its arrogance--had not considered. Of course, the UW  won't make that mistake again... They will make new mistakes.   ;)

There will be war--of sorts--in the future. They too will be fought in an oblique fashion. There will always be human conflict due to differences in ideology, religion or what have you. But life goes on. So EFT will explore some differences in governance from basically zero (Ceres) to various experimental forms. AND we will examine other aspects of life, including sex, romance (not the same thing), psychology, mystery, adventure, culture, etc.

BTW, sams, where are you from? I cannot place your accent.  ???
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on March 25, 2010, 12:52:12 pm
BTW, sams, where are you from? I cannot place your accent.  ???

Looks like even a keyboard can't hide my crappy English  ;D

I'm from Angola, in South West Africa  ;) So English is not my first language
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on March 25, 2010, 01:31:50 pm
It's all about context, sams. Your English is quite good for a second language English speakers. Now if English had been your first....  ::)

BTW, sams, where are you from? I cannot place your accent.  ???

Looks like even a keyboard can't hide my crappy English  ;D

I'm from Angola, in South West Africa  ;) So English is not my first language
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: one eye chuck on March 25, 2010, 01:59:08 pm
hmmm... Aphrodisiac effects of soft light, relaxing in a zero-g hot tub and Katy Perry??? 
I predict awkward times ahead on board Capt. Doris' ship, or maybe not. WTH do I know?
( is it just me or does gravity have no effect on Fiorella's ample bosoms? They seem to defy it even when she is in a full 1 gee space. ;)  )
Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: John DeWitt on March 25, 2010, 04:39:33 pm
Back when she was still "Wife," Ex-wife once asked me, "How come so many guys are grossed out by gay sex, but turned on by lesbians?"

It seemed like a silly question to me, but then I've never been a woman.  I replied, quoting some TV comedian I've otherwise long since forgotten:

"Because they're pink, they're pretty, and you agree with both of them."
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on March 26, 2010, 05:36:06 am
I wasn't getting how was the kissing was going ... till I remembered were I lastly saw the 4 morons on the flying carpet  :o : Flying conqueror and some one is going to be castrated I suppose  ;D
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Azure Priest on March 26, 2010, 07:32:56 am
Aren't they violating the rules of the park by being on the female side? That IS where the hot tub is located, right? Even so, I don't think that the "rides" these clowns have in mind is anything on the menu or legal in any society short of pre-legal cavemen.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on March 26, 2010, 07:43:41 am
Aren't they violating the rules of the park by being on the female side? That IS where the hot tub is located, right? Even so, I don't think that the "rides" these clowns have in mind is anything on the menu or legal in any society short of pre-legal cavemen.

1. No, the only sexual segregation is within the facility.

2. Criminals don't follow the rules, anyway.

3. You ain't seen nothing yet.   :o
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on March 26, 2010, 07:52:55 am
3. You ain't seen nothing yet.   :o

This mean that we are healthy Men who respond to our programmed basic instinct ... we can't stop thinking of some things at all  ;D

But I do have the impression that security within the theme part is supposed to be guaranteed by the owner or I doubt those ladies would have left their guns at the door and the lades seems also to be without their ones ...

But I had the impression that we would come to discover how criminals are supposed to be hunt down in a free society ... I'm just sad that those troglodite may abuse the ladies  >:(

But lets wait for tomorrow anyway  ;D

EDA:

I remember that the two brothers when in the artificial moon which had an atmosphere (sorry can't remember the name) only gave up their guns when the guest made explicit that he was guarantor of their safety ... so it is why I believe this is the same case
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: quadibloc on March 26, 2010, 10:24:06 pm
3. You ain't seen nothing yet.
And here I was hoping they would very swiftly discover the excellent security of this resort facility: if they hadn't made a mistake in victim selection (which doubtless they have, even having their intended victims at a disadvantage), they would at least have made one in venue selection.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Sean Roach on March 26, 2010, 10:43:51 pm
I'm wondering if the earthers are going to die from bee stings.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: wdg3rd on March 28, 2010, 03:17:48 pm
I'm wondering if the earthers are going to die from bee stings.

You got there before I did, Sean.  Buzzy has got to be around someplace.  Operated by one of the best (so far apparently not autonomic) AI programs I've run across in SF.  (Once AI programs get autonomic, the game changes, you get Mike Holmes/Adam Selene, not HAL 9000).

Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: quadibloc on March 30, 2010, 02:23:09 am
I am pleasantly surprised. They have decided to be merciful.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on March 31, 2010, 05:16:31 pm
I am disgusted with the author of this abhorrent and distasteful comic  >:(

How could you do it. .... how could you put in print animal torture ? How could you have Bee killed ?

I will call PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) and have you all imprisoned !

You are also racist ... since most receptionist are hispanic ... you are also guilty of killing a cybernetic Hispanic Bee ! You won't be proved innocent unless you provide printed proof that you Buzz wasn't hispanic  ;D

I'm f***ing kiding  ;D Look like the Bee is gone, so how long the resort security staff take to save our ladies  :D
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on March 31, 2010, 07:23:32 pm
Whoa there, pardner. I think you need to switch to decaf and lay off the red M&Ms.   ;)
I am disgusted with the author of this abhorrent and distasteful comic  >:(

How could you do it. .... how could you put in print animal torture ? How could you have Bee killed ?

I will call PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals) and have you all imprisoned !

You are also racist ... since most receptionist are hispanic ... you are also guilty of killing a cybernetic Hispanic Bee ! You won't be proved innocent unless you provide printed proof that you Buzz wasn't hispanic  ;D

I'm f***ing kiding  ;D Look like the Bee is gone, so how long the resort security staff take to save our ladies  :D
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: wdg3rd on March 31, 2010, 11:10:16 pm
The Bee is a remote.  It is not itself an individual, it's a voice and point of view for the main CPU.  I suspect that the central computer has a few more in stock.  The only  detectable difference (and you'd need teeny tiny eyes (http://www.well.com/user/bubbles/LilTEyes.txt) to see it) would bee the serial number.

Crap.  Googling all over the place and I can't link any of the stuff up there to the Tom Digby song I was spoofing/referring to -- next closest source (aside from some filk collections) is Larry Niven's A World Out of Time, and I don't think it's in print this decade.

AHH! got it!
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: wdg3rd on April 01, 2010, 12:08:59 am
Hoo boy, I seem to have guessed right.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: quadibloc on April 01, 2010, 02:00:58 am
I'm wondering if the earthers are going to die from bee stings.
You called it. I was in some suspense even after yesterday's strip. While they had now called themselves to the attention of the facility's security systems, it was at least possible, given the absence of a paranoid level of security, that there might not have been a sufficient level of suitable force to bring to bear.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Azure Priest on April 01, 2010, 08:30:29 am
It is unlikely that the "stings" have venom, which is the part that kills. It is FAR more likely that they are armed with small tazers to take down security violators. Can that be fatal? Only if the target has a pacemaker or inherent heart condition. In which case, they shouldn't be running around shooting weapons anyway.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Jtuxyan on April 01, 2010, 02:20:00 pm
The soldiers showing up as thugs was good -- both appropriate and dramatic. But I feel today's comic kind of overplayed the part. I mean really, "Mwa ha ha ha"? Where's his giant handlebar moustache to twirl while he ties them to traintracks?

Luckily, it's a socialist train, so it's several hours late and they escape.

I think it would have been much better had he shot one of them (non-lethally, of course!) and then got blasted by the security bees.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on April 01, 2010, 02:40:31 pm
The soldiers showing up as thugs was good -- both appropriate and dramatic. But I feel today's comic kind of overplayed the part. I mean really, "Mwa ha ha ha"? Where's his giant handlebar moustache to twirl while he ties them to traintracks?

Luckily, it's a socialist train, so it's several hours late and they escape.

lol

I think it would have been much better had he shot one of them (non-lethally, of course!) and then got blasted by the security bees.


I also think it would have worked well for the suspense ... since all the Buzz death drama will be defeated since the AI intelligence can be duplicated ... have one of them hurt would be better .... or does that bulled was only slowed down  ???
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: quadibloc on April 01, 2010, 07:51:52 pm
Of course, the suspense isn't over. Now comes the hard part. Are they going to be executed for attempted murder, leading to another confrontation with Earth, or will they be handed back so Earth can save face... and how to hand them back so that they don't try something else stupid?

EDIT: And with today's comic, no doubt there is some deep and meaningful reason why curare is not spelled in the conventional English manner, perhaps having to do with where it came from.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Azure Priest on April 02, 2010, 07:57:51 am
I stand corrected, the "bees" were poisonous.

As it stands it's up to the park's curator what to do to the military thugs since they committed their "crimes" in his territory, not on Ceres or Earth.

As I see it, these belligerent idiots are guilty of...

1.) Damage to park property (destroying Buzz).

2.) Carrying a slug thrower in a forbidden area endangering the park visitors as a whole.

3.) Assaulting honored guests of the curator.

4.) Being a general nuisance/ menace.

How he's going to punish them aside from the poison "stings," is anyone's guess.

Some options.

1.) SELL them back to Earth. As in fine the UW some monetary amount for what they've done.

2.) Broadcast the video of the assault to the media and humiliate them further in new and interesting ways.

3.) Make them "work off" their debt as park staff.

4.) Turn them over to Ceres or Reggie and let "the belt" decide what to do.

5.) Hold a public "trial" with them as the defendants.

6.) Some combination of the above.

7.) Something bizarre that I have not considered.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on April 02, 2010, 08:56:47 am
Good analysis and suggestions all the way around, but who has jurisdiction is not all that clear cut. While the UW claims authority over all mankind, as a practical matter, Skyland, though immensely valuable, has nothing that can be plundered, It has no value except that as an amusement park. Without constant tweaking and maintenance, it self-destructs in no time. Also, there is the PR factor. Any use of force against Skyland would be really bad press. Sort of like, "Government Threatens to Nuke Disneyworld." And any military action against Skyland could kill hundreds of UW citizens, the majority of which would be rich and powerful.

On the other hand, Skyland cannot claim independence. Think Taiwan and China. As a Martian corporation, it has some legal theory on its side, but they really do not want to poke the bear to test that. So, what can they do?

I stand corrected, the "bees" were poisonous.

As it stands it's up to the park's curator what to do to the military thugs since they committed their "crimes" in his territory, not on Ceres or Earth.

As I see it, these belligerent idiots are guilty of...

1.) Damage to park property (destroying Buzz).

2.) Carrying a slug thrower in a forbidden area endangering the park visitors as a whole.

3.) Assaulting honored guests of the curator.

4.) Being a general nuisance/ menace.

How he's going to punish them aside from the poison "stings," is anyone's guess.

Some options.

1.) SELL them back to Earth. As in fine the UW some monetary amount for what they've done.

2.) Broadcast the video of the assault to the media and humiliate them further in new and interesting ways.

3.) Make them "work off" their debt as park staff.

4.) Turn them over to Ceres or Reggie and let "the belt" decide what to do.

5.) Hold a public "trial" with them as the defendants.

6.) Some combination of the above.

7.) Something bizarre that I have not considered.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Sean Roach on April 02, 2010, 12:12:44 pm
Publicize the assault in a manner calculated to paint the thugs in a poor light.  Use a lot of closeups, so everyone knows this was malicious.

When the UW disavows them, and they'll need to, since it'll have resulted in bad publicity, do whatever is necessary, quietly.  Since attempted 1st degree murder is involved, this could be a quiet shooting in the back room, or a live spacing.  Which is cheaper?  An ounce of lead and powder, or a few gallons of atmosphere mix?
Since the backers didn't pull weapons until the counter charge of the bumblebee brigade, they should probably receive some lesser sentence.  I'm not sure how far to criminalize "willing witness to an atrocity".

If the UW backs them, (hey, bureaucrats can be idiots sometimes,) kick the navy out, and ban any navy ship or active duty personnel from the park.  Also, keep giving that attack airplay.

Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Gillsing on April 02, 2010, 04:09:48 pm
Do they have a recording of the assault? Can recordings be trusted, or has data manipulation advanced to such a degree that you have to trust the source in order to trust the message? How trusted is the owner of an amusement park who's just pulled some major pranks? (Granted, none of them involved violence.)

Is there any personal privacy to be had with all those bees around? Is that the price you have to pay in order to stay safe in a society where you've given up your arms? Then again, in a society where everyone is largely free to do as they wish, perhaps personal privacy is of less concern? (I know that it's not terribly important to me, but a lot of other people seem really concerned with cameras everywhere. Possibly because they care what other people think, and realise that with cameras everywhere, it's quite possible for an operator to paint a very unappealing picture. Or stalk them for nefarious purposes.)

On the other hand, if the UW is supposed to become a major customer, those rich people would probably be very concerned with personal privacy. Or are they so used to being monitored at all times that it'd be no big thing for them? Perhaps it's only the navy who are used to being able to do whatever they want, no matter who might be watching?
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Sean Roach on April 02, 2010, 05:55:15 pm
I figure even without an actual direct-to-video recording, there's enough data tied up in that swarm network to reconstruct a very unflattering 3-d animation of exactly what transpired.
I figure the bureaucrats on earth would be too busy covering their own buts to protect someone who really did go out of line.  That is, beyond the instructions they'd been given.
I figure the proprietor might ask the would-be victims for permission to use their likeness, but would probably declare government agents to be "public servants", and thus their likenesses public property.


The only thing wrong with too many cameras, in my book, is the ease of detection.
I feel while there is an absolute morality, culture has a set of relative morals that at best intersects absolute morality.  Culture, for instance, once had it as wrong for black and white people to use the same dining facilities.  Too many cameras, or any other automated detection, or just recording, systems, make it easier to enforce too many laws.  The more you CAN enforce, the more you WILL, the more you do enforce, the more rigid society becomes, and the more it demands more laws.
I'm all for detection and immediate prosecution of violent offenders, but quite frankly, those cameras would be used to prosecute jaywalkers more than muggers, because the cameras were there, and the evidence was incontrovertible.

Remember how black and white things were as a child?  There is no actual "bending" of the law.  There's obeying the absolute letter of the law, and breaking the absolute letter of the law.  However, those who "bend" it are less prone to call out witchhunts over it, or demand tighter regulations to stop it.

Men weren't meant to be ants.  There has to be give in society or society will become brittle.

No, the data recordings can't be trusted.  Absolutely not.  Public opinion has been swayed by hearsay before, though.  Considering the example of our last admiral, I suspect this first officer is probably mouthy enough to stick his foot in it and not only admit to everything, but try to justify himself.  The only way the UW could prevent it would be to order him to shut up, and let his handlers speak for him.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: wdg3rd on April 03, 2010, 03:09:31 am
(hey, bureaucrats can be idiots sometimes,)

Sometimes?  Counterexample?
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: wdg3rd on April 03, 2010, 03:18:48 am

Remember how black and white things were as a child?


Certainly I do.  The first time I lived in a house with a polychrome TV was when I moved in with my grandmother at 15 in 1970.  The whole first run of the original Star Trek series (aside from a few episodes I saw at friends' homes) were black and white.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Sean Roach on April 03, 2010, 09:39:59 am
Let me put it another way.
Sometimes even bureaucrats are idiots where butt covering is concerned.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: wdg3rd on April 03, 2010, 10:36:54 am
Let me put it another way.
Sometimes even bureaucrats are idiots where butt covering is concerned.

Speaking of that, the wrappings the girls are wearing when they hug in Friday's (4/2/10) episode seem a bit thin for towels.  (I'm not complaining, but I've seen towels used as wraparounds (three marriages, a few other relationships, and my own ugly self in a mirror I wish wasn't there), and they aren't that form-fitting).
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on April 03, 2010, 10:45:04 am
... the wrappings the girls are wearing when they hug in Friday's (4/2/10) episode seem a bit thin for towels.  (I'm not complaining, but I've seen towels used as wraparounds (three marriages, a few other relationships, and my own ugly self in a mirror I wish wasn't there), and they aren't that form-fitting).

Nanotech... ?
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on April 03, 2010, 12:27:00 pm
Nanotech... ?

Besides the anarchist philosophy, great art and good story line, I love how does Sandy and Co throw some technology here and there  :)

Make the story mind challenging in a different way and help cool down my brain  ;D

Since moving cargo through space is so expensive, it is reasonable that to safe money you can make ''smart'' wrap around, which weight 5% of the normal and have some ''nanoattach'' to hold togueter in zero-g ambient

But there we come again in the case of how to deal with criminals ??? I have not liked the EFT episode in which the young girl executed two UW soldiers

From there I have the following doubts :

- This wasn't just a matter of the girl and the admiral, since despite her family was the only casualty ... other people risked their arse to catch him and neutralize the UW fleet. They were their prisoners and they were the one who had to choose what to do with them ... but we can suppose that they surrendered the two UW soldiers to the young girl

- Having the girl execute the 2 UW soldiers was to extreme ... but I understand that your objective is to provoke reactions and see if we can gear our brain to think about it
The subordinate execution was way to harsh since independently of what he could do, someone would have pressed the button ... or does the rest of the crew was guilty has they failed to restraint the Admiral ?
Maybe the storyline could have explored another path (dare me suggest) of the criminal paying back the victim through forced labour... or like a friend of mine call it : Judicial Slavery
But it would be difficult to know how many years worth of slave work equals the lives of ones dear family ???

or maybe they should had thrown the Admiral in outer space and proceeded at an execution by vacuum ;D
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on April 03, 2010, 02:45:23 pm
But there we come again in the case of how to deal with criminals ??? I have not liked the EFT episode in which the young girl executed two UW soldiers

From there I have the following doubts :

- Having the girl execute the 2 UW soldiers was to extreme ... but I understand that your objective is to provoke reactions and see if we can gear our brain to think about it

Nobody "had" Emily execute the criminals--not Reggie, not anyone (except me, sort of). Emily was given their lives to do with whatever she chose. She could have given them cookies and milk and set them free. Instead, she opted to shot them.

This has created controversy on non-Big Head lists, as well. Some people are furious with me. But in all cases, they missed the explicitly stated point of the exercise. That is: You, and only you, are responsible for the consequences of your acts. You cannot fob it off on anyone else.

The subordinate execution was way to harsh since independently of what he could do, someone would have pressed the button ... or does the rest of the crew was guilty has they failed to restraint the Admiral ?

No, there is a big difference between sins of omission and sins of commission. No one is under any moral compulsion to prevent a crime by another (unless they have agreed to do so). For example, under Anglo-American jurisprudence, I could be walking beside a river, carrying a life preserver tied to a rope. If a canoe with a small child capsized in front of me and the child can not swim, I would be under no legal nor moral obligation to lift a finger to save the kid. (There is one exception, but it does not change the basic scenario.)

If the gunner had refused to fire, someone else might have. However, that in no way exonerates the gunner who did pull the trigger. He turned the victims' death from a possibility into a certainty.

Maybe the storyline could have explored another path (dare me suggest) of the criminal paying back the victim through forced labour...

Yeah, it could have explored that or I could have explored how pixie dust helps Tinkerbelle to fly, or any number of other possibilities. I chose to explore individual responsibility. I'm the writer, so I get to do that. Feel free to write your own story.

Interestingly enough, one of my critics did just that. He wrote a little scenario about Harris hiring an advocate,  selection of a judge, and some ridiculous hypothetical reasons why the Admiral's attack might have been legitimate and therefore, creating the need for all the legalistic hoopla. It sucked as a story, but more importantly, it totally trivialized the enormity of the crime and the underlying moral premise.

But don't worry, an anarchist "trial" will be featured in an upcoming story. I have the feeling, though, that it will really piss off some of my critics. I sure hope so.  ;)
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on April 03, 2010, 03:09:22 pm
Maybe the storyline could have explored another path (dare me suggest) of the criminal paying back the victim through forced labour...
Yeah, it could have explored that or I could have explored how pixie dust helps Tinkerbelle to fly, or any number of other possibilities. I chose to explore individual responsibility. I'm the writer, so I get to do that. Feel free to write your own story.

I knew I was going to be beaten up for this comment ... but nope I won't be writing a story of my own until I finish to ... read and appreciate yours

Looks like the movie scenes of artist getting pissed off/annoyed when their art is criticised were no exagerations  ;D

Interestingly enough, one of my critics did just that. He wrote a little scenario about Harris hiring an advocate,  selection of a judge, and some ridiculous hypothetical reasons why the Admiral's attack might have been legitimate and therefore, creating the need for all the legalistic hoopla. It sucked as a story, but more importantly, it totally trivialized the enormity of the crime and the underlying moral premise.

I'm happy you had this storyline ... has I said it was though provoking and good to question some about preconceived stuff and yes that hypothetical scenario sucks ;)

Harris selecting an advocate is plain stupid since He will only want an a UW one and a military court ... and burying the whole storyline into legalistic bull crap destroy the point of the whole sequence : Who is responsible for your own actions?

But I shall know shut my mouth and religiously wait for monday strip  :D

ETA:

I wasn't bitching about the storyline or implying that I can write better, but despite not agreeing with all of EFT plots and how they solve out, I find them mind challenging

People who want to mentally masturbate themselves should turn watch avatar or read Tintin ... So when I say that I dissagree with Sandy&CO, it means that I was pleased to find my brain working and trying to understand them plot and the underlying moral premises of the story

So sorry about suggesting ''storylines/themes/whatever'' it is not a a comic on demand and I understand it
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on April 03, 2010, 04:22:41 pm
I knew I was going to be beaten up for this comment ... but nope I won't be writing a story of my own until I finish to ... read and appreciate yours

You call that a beating? Ha! I was easy on you because I like you. When I really get going, nothing is left but garden mulch.   ;)

Looks like the movie scenes of artist getting pissed off/annoyed when their art is criticised were no exagerations  ;D

However, don't push it.  >:( 

I will let you in on a little secret. I haven't yet decided if Emily's actions were justified. My gut says, yes, but I am still pondering it philosophically. I feel no obligation to agree with everything I write.

I actually don't mind constructive criticism, but the one thing that pisses me off above all others, is someone presuming to tell my how I should have written my story (or even suggesting what I could have written). That is one provocation too many. In other words, the critic is saying, "Well if I had written it, it would have been better." The point is, they are not the writer, yet feel justified in telling the writer how to write. That is arrogant and obnoxious in the extreme.

I don't mind people thinking they can writer better than I can, but talk is cheap. Walk a mile in moccasins. The world is hungry for good content. If anybody thinks they can write, they should put their pen where their mouth is. If you write something good, I assure you that Big Head Press or some other venue will be more than happy to run it.

Whoa! That was way more than I intended to say on the subject, so maybe I am a bit sensitive about (some) criticism.

I wasn't bitching about the storyline or implying that I can write better, but despite not agreeing with all of EFT plots and how they solve out, I find them mind challenging

 ... So when I say that I dissagree with Sandy&CO, it means that I was pleased to find my brain working and trying to understand them plot and the underlying moral premises of the story

So sorry about suggesting ''storylines/themes/whatever'' it is not a a comic on demand and I understand it

Okay sams, you are back in the club.  :)
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Azure Priest on April 03, 2010, 08:20:30 pm
The biggest problem with cameras "everywhere" is the person or people who control them. Cameras CAN lie by omission. Videos and photos can also be altered in many ways from the ridiculous to the dangerously scandalous.

Some prime examples are ...

The movie, "Paparazzi" where these "journalists" decide, for their own fun and profit, to harass a man and his family. When he quite understandably objects, they stage an ambush and then catch him in picture "assaulting" the camera man. The poor man gets sentenced to "anger management" afterwards. As if that were not enough, these "journalists" pull a "princess Diana" on him and use flashbulbs to blind him to stage a crash (which nearly kills him and his wife) just so they could take some pictures of the wreck. (Don't worry, according to the trailer, he DOES get even.)

"The new adventures of Superman," a photo was doctored by a tabloid so that it looks like Superman is in bed with another man's wife (Clark Kent's wife ;) ) They were able to prove the photo fake only at the end of the episode AFTER Superman's name had been terribly smeared, and they had to repair the damage.

Real life. In some states, "Red light" cameras have been shown IN COURT being set to take pictures and send tickets for "failing to stop at a red light" on drivers who were crossing while the light was YELLOW.

There's many reasons to be wary of having cameras watching your every move.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: SandySandfort on April 03, 2010, 08:58:26 pm
The biggest problem with cameras "everywhere" is the person or people who control them. Cameras CAN lie by omission. Videos and photos can also be altered in many ways from the ridiculous to the dangerously scandalous.

Ubiquitous cameras are becoming a fact of life. The only way to ameliorate the problem is through encryption and strict chain-of-custody. See my WIRED article that touches on the issue:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.12/sandfort.if.html
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: quadibloc on April 04, 2010, 10:08:13 pm
I will let you in on a little secret. I haven't yet decided if Emily's actions were justified. My gut says, yes, but I am still pondering it philosophically. I feel no obligation to agree with everything I write.
I can be comfortable with the story simply making a dramatic point about people being responsible for their actions. So the second crewman died... because he chose to make the wrong kind of excuse.

Had he been more eloquent, though, and noted:

a) regret for what he had done, and

b) that had he refused, the only result would have been his going to the brig, as his captain could always have pushed the button himself...

well, perhaps he wouldn't have been the sort of person who would have been on that bridge at the time.

Because this is an entertaining story, and not a political tract, it is entirely understandable for not every philosophical point to be fully covered.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on April 05, 2010, 12:49:07 am
The biggest problem with cameras "everywhere" is the person or people who control them. Cameras CAN lie by omission. Videos and photos can also be altered in many ways from the ridiculous to the dangerously scandalous.

It depends on who and why the camera are operated and to ''protect'' what ;)

For example public security cameras are generally inefficient since they cover large areas and are most of the time are used to bust petty crime, and aren't even good to prevent robberies, rape and the ... will for the price of each camera almost all citizen could get a Saturday Night Special (GUN) and have some peace of mind ;)
 
I studied in a boarding school were we had cameras in our installation to prevent vandalism ... it was awful to live like an hamster ... but they busted ONE student for stealing a cell-phone, another for playing basketball nude in the dormitories lol

Supermarkets and other business, like banks, have cameras covering their more precious assets, and those are more likely to be part of successive security system ;)

So the effectiveness of a camera monitoring depends on:
- intensity : There a difference between monitoring a bank vault and a empty street were nothing happens
- Purpose: The MYTH behind public cameras is that you can solve crimes only by having videos of everywhere every time ...  The purpose of private cameras is that videos can be useful has part of your facilities security aparatus

So you have a MYTH and vague purpose vs a specific one ... which is going to be more efficient ;D
So having private cameras in place like the EFT park, which are part of the security system and protection of the clients while be more efficient than monitoring a whole city a la Big Brother ... you don't want a dead body in your arms or a video of a client with his mistress in the hands of his wife ;)

Having Darling and his fellow UW kicked our of the park and shamed by the media will more than enough, since I suppose the UW is not Nazi Germany, but more like a Benevolent Nanny State Social Democracy ... so having your troops trying to commit murder in the EFT version of Disneyland is not the best public relations scenario ;)

It is likely that Darling superiors will back tell him to bring his ass home ... unless those guys are serious about avenging Admiral Harris death .... but if they were they would have hired a professional assassin ;)
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Azure Priest on April 05, 2010, 09:34:04 am

It is likely that Darling superiors will back tell him to bring his ass home ... unless those guys are serious about avenging Admiral Harris death .... but if they were they would have hired a professional assassin ;)

What makes you think that they haven't? Unless the contract specifies a deadline, pros take their sweet time casing a target and preparing a strike that (at worst) is only suspicious.

PS. The "cameras everywhere" part of my post meant the "big brother" scenario. As part of an integrated private security system on private property, they can be VERY effective. It all depends on the trustworthiness of the camera operator(s).
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: sams on April 05, 2010, 09:53:48 am

It is likely that Darling superiors will back tell him to bring his ass home ... unless those guys are serious about avenging Admiral Harris death .... but if they were they would have hired a professional assassin ;)

What makes you think that they haven't? Unless the contract specifies a deadline, pros take their sweet time casing a target and preparing a strike that (at worst) is only suspicious.

I haven't ruled the possibility that out the possibility that the UW has hired an assassin, but the possibility that the UW Navy aren't willing to avenge Harris death to the point of staging of backing Darling murder attempt wearing a UW uniform, using a UW weapon and under cameras !! This is a HUGE public relation nightmare having your soldiers shooting quasi-nude women in the middle of EFT Disney World, since the UW is likely to a benevolent Social Democracy and not Nazi Germany

But yes they might have hired a professional assassin to kill our two girls ... but Darling stupid move will likely have him kicked by his superiors
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Rocketman on April 05, 2010, 10:55:54 am
They'll probably dishonorably discharge Darling and his buddies and tell the world that they had no knowledge of his actions and were just as appalled as everyone else is.  Darling isn't an asset to them anymore he's a liability.   :D
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Azure Priest on April 06, 2010, 07:28:51 am
Well said, Fiorella. I would have made another request, that the incident report not name the two ladies specifically. Bad enough about the "war between worlds," but it's going to be a completely different story when this media shitstorm hits the fan. It will be nigh impossible to get any mining work done with media ships constantly following them around and paging for interviews.
Title: I think the ladies forgot something.
Post by: John DeWitt on April 06, 2010, 08:47:39 am
Or did they leave their clothes in the biplane?

I love a lady in a towel.  But that propwash is gonna be murder.
Title: Re: EFT 2010/03/19
Post by: Azure Priest on April 08, 2010, 07:02:57 am
Roller coasters. It just HAD to be roller coasters.