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Title: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Jac on August 10, 2006, 05:24:09 pm
Knowing Neil, I'm sure every character in this book has a specific ("real" or otherwise) firearm, and a backstory explaining why they carry that gun in that caliber.

Now, Colonel Morrison carries a Savage 1907 in .375 (".375 Savage", ".375 Automatic", ".375 ASP"?!?)... he's already mentioned that in his blog. How about everyone else... what's Bill Bear carry (it looks like a HiPower type pistol... not quite a 1911; certainly Browningesque... CZ?)? The other rangers? Is Malcom X a wheelgun man?

C'mon guys... give! :D
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Jac on August 11, 2006, 06:29:55 pm
And what, pray tell, does 'Ol Blue Eyes carry? :D
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: LNeil on August 14, 2006, 03:48:23 pm
....Wild Bill Bear carries a "Bernkrandt" .45 autopistol. This is 1947, of course, but Texican technology has advanced considerably more rapidly than everybody else's, thanks to the degree of freedom to be found there. Thus the Bernkrandt bears a startling resemblance to my EAA Witness "convertible", which can either be a .45 or a 10mm. Yeah, I know it's an anachronism -- and that Wild Bill, in carrying a .45 has chosen a "medium" caliber in a world where the equivalent of the 1911 is a .475. But it's my favorite handgun, and I wanted it in the book.
....The depiction has gotten a little complicated by the fact that Scott didn't always have a good photo of the Witness to work from, so he used his own Para-Ordinance .45 as a model here and there. It's a single-action double-stacked 1911A1 clone, of course, whereas my EAA is a double-action double-stacked CZ75 clone. But they're both beautiful weapons, an absolute blsat to play with, and very comforting on a dark and stormy night.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: LNeil on August 14, 2006, 03:53:47 pm
....As for Francis Albert "Ol' Blue Eyes" Sinatra, he's not a Texican, he's from Hoboken, New Jersey, and probably doesn't carry a gun. His buddies with the dark shirts and light ties do it for him. If he did, it'd have to be small, in an era where cartoons made fun of him for being so skinny. (They would show him, for example, disappearing behind a microphone stand as he sang.) Call it a Hartford Police Positive in some equivalent to .32 H&R Magnum.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns: Swiss Guards' rifles Johnson M1941's??
Post by: DavidS on August 19, 2006, 12:27:42 am
1) Why are the Pope's Swiss Guards armed with Johnson M1941 rifles instead of Schmidt-Rubin K31's or an indigenously developed Swiss automatic rifle?  Or even the German Stug 44?  The Swiss were able to buy some German hardware, such as Bf-109 fighter planes.

2) Are the Swiss still free?  It would break my heart if the good General Guisan and his brave militia had fallen in Neil and Scott's alternate world.

3) I love the comic, both for the art and the story.  And I'm learning a lot of fascinating details about the history of our world that I never knew, too.  Somewhat off topic, by the way, is the guy playing poker with the pope none other than a young "Tricky Dick" Nixon?

Regards,

Dave Schmidt

"...if by radio, leaflets, or other media any information is transmitted doubting the will of the Federal Council or of the Armiy High Command to resist an attacker, this information must be regarded as...enemy propaganda.  Our country will resist aggression with all means at its power and to the bitter end."-- Swiss Combined General Order, April 18, 1940 (Home Time Line)
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Zen Redneck on August 19, 2006, 09:45:57 pm
Good guess, but it's actually this unfortunately forgotting and very underrated fellow:
http://www3.telus.net/pagerweb/hallensmith/

As to the Swiss, we think they remain free, being as impregnable to the Röhm/Windson nazis as they were in our world, but of course the Vatican, as we see, had to relocate to Brownsville.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Scott on August 22, 2006, 12:00:38 pm
....The depiction has gotten a little complicated by the fact that Scott didn't always have a good photo of the Witness to work from, so he used his own Para-Ordinance .45 as a model here and there.

Well, the fact of the matter is, I used my Para as a model for Bill's gun because Neil forgot to tell me it was supposed to be a Witness until two weeks after I drew the scene with Bill shooting at the Packard Guy. Actually I own a Witness, and it's my favorite gun, although it's a "compact" model. The next "mid-range" pistol I buy will probably be a full-size Witness.

If someone -- anyone -- sends $40 to my PayPal account (scott@scottbieser.com) with the instructions, "change the gun," I'll go back and change the earlier drawings of Bill's gun. The next time we get a good look at Bill's gun it will definitely look like a CZ-75/Tanfoglio Witness.

Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: wdg3rd on August 22, 2006, 02:51:33 pm
Good guess, but it's actually this unfortunately forgotting and very underrated fellow:
http://www3.telus.net/pagerweb/hallensmith/
Not forgotten by me.  His The Great Chili Confrontation had a major impact on my life.  To the extent that I hope within the next year or so to be opening a restaurant up in New Hampshire specializing in that particular food item.  (10% discount to anybody carrying what I consider effective self-defense gear).

And The Compleat Practical Joker is a dangerous tool in the "wrong" hands.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Frank B. on August 22, 2006, 04:11:02 pm
Not forgotten by me.  His The Great Chili Confrontation had a major impact on my life.  To the extent that I hope within the next year or so to be opening a restaurant up in New Hampshire specializing in that particular food item.  (10% discount to anybody carrying what I consider effective self-defense gear).

Hmmm...  is what you consider "effective self-defense gear" legal in New Hampshire?
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: wdg3rd on August 23, 2006, 01:01:57 pm
Not forgotten by me.  His The Great Chili Confrontation had a major impact on my life.  To the extent that I hope within the next year or so to be opening a restaurant up in New Hampshire specializing in that particular food item.  (10% discount to anybody carrying what I consider effective self-defense gear).

Hmmm...  is what you consider "effective self-defense gear" legal in New Hampshire?
Open carry is legal anywhere in the state (though some folks will look at you funny down near the Massachusetts border).  Concealed carry permits cost $10 and it's a "shall issue" situation.  We have folks working on getting Vermont/Alaska Carry through the legislature.

My own pet project when I get there is elimination of the sales tax.  While it's widely advertised that there is no state sales or income tax in New Hampshire, the exception is a sales tax on restaurant food and temporary lodging.  I don't want to be a tax collector.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Zen Redneck on August 26, 2006, 12:06:02 pm
Delighted to learn that there's at least one more H. Allen Smith fan out there!  Time for a revival.  One of America's best humorists.  One thing we've tried to do here is include such underrated people as Smith.  History is full of such.  Many are participating in Roswell, and will show up later.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Space Patton! on October 02, 2006, 07:15:31 pm
Sounds good. I forsee a knife fight in the future between Rosworld's John Wayne and T. E Lawrence. Who would win? (my moneys on Wayne). Anyway, on the subject of guns, what types are the Kukri Rifles (good choice, i was expecting the Desert Rats) using? The rifle looks kind of like a Lee-Enfield, but it uses clip ammo. And the sub-machine gun, is it a Thompson or a British version of the MP-40?
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Space Patton! on October 13, 2006, 04:09:08 pm
Never mind about the British rifle, I'm pretty sure its a Lee - Enfield #5 Jungle Carbine (I could be wrong), but I'm still lost on the submachine gun, it doesn't look like any British one I've ever seen. Also, what is the rifle that Natalie (the French Assistant) uses to shoot at the rangers? It looks to me like a Mas-49, but I'm not sure. ???
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Jac on November 03, 2006, 09:47:55 am
YES!!! Colonel Morrison finally brings his lovely Savage .375 into action... and against Nazis, too.

Cool pistol. 8)
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Scott on November 10, 2006, 12:19:18 am
The older rifles are, indeed, Enfield "jungle carbines" chambered in .303.  The automatic rifles are 9mm Sten sub-machineguns.

The Mexicans are carrying Mondragons.

Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Rocketman on December 30, 2006, 05:57:48 pm
I've always been either an N frame Smith and Wesson man or a fan of the Colt 1911A1 Series 70.  Probably
revealing my age saying that.  Couple of weeks ago I was in a gun shop and had to check out a few of the
ordinance on the other side of the table.  The model 23 Glock (.40 S&W) that I dry fired fit my hand almost
perfectly and the trigger pull was extremely nice.  I also tried out a used EAA witness that was slightly large for me but also with an excellent trigger pull.  The last was a double action only Para Ordinance in .45ACP.  I thought that the grip was a little large, but what a trigger!!!!  About 4 pounds and breaks like a piece of glass
rod with absolutely no creep at all!!!!  I think I'm going to have to start saving my pennies....


 
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Mike Mordant on March 09, 2007, 08:28:28 pm
Speaking of S&W, Larry's in Huntsville,  Alabama had a book signing by Roy G. Jinks who has made his mission to preserve the history and tradition of that fine company.  Roy and his wife were very cordial even though every copy was gone by a quarter past four the first day.   Even though there were no books to be had a steady stream of customers came by to  have a chat with them.

Mr. Jinks has an encyclopedic knowledge of the guns of Smith and Wesson and owns a extensive collection of archival material.  He works at D.B Wesson's own desk.

The double action N frames are great reliable guns.  But not as concealable as the model 36 J frame I have carried anywhere and everywhere, often as a backup.  I know that it will fire whenever it's called upon.  While it doesn't have the knock down power of lager caliber guns, there's comfort in the knowledge that are five (more) shots close to hand.

 
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Rocketman on March 10, 2007, 02:51:07 pm
I do indeed know who Roy Jinks is.  The N frame fits my hand better than just about anything else on the market.  One of my biggest screw-ups was when I sold a near mint condition S & W model 1917 to a buddy of mine that just had to have it.  Shortly thereafter I was in a gunshop and came across an excellent condition Model 1955 (in .45acp) with a cut back 4 inch barrel.  Ex-cops gun.  I bought it immediately, put a set of pachmayr grips on it and it's been true love ever since.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Rocketman on March 10, 2007, 03:01:09 pm
I probably should add a few things.  I also have a couple of other S & W guns that are just for concealment but I don't have any problem concealing the 1955 with a winter coat on since I am a rather large person to begin with.  A Galco shoulder holster works fine in that department.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns: Swiss Guards' rifles Johnson M1941's??
Post by: archy on April 27, 2007, 04:03:42 pm
1) Why are the Pope's Swiss Guards armed with Johnson M1941 rifles instead of Schmidt-Rubin K31's or an indigenously developed Swiss automatic rifle?  Or even the German Stug 44?  The Swiss were able to buy some German hardware, such as Bf-109 fighter planes.

Regards,

Dave Schmidt


Don't forget that post-WWI U.S. Army Ordnance evaluated a modified Schmidt-Rubin M1911 straight pull modified into a gas-operated semiauto as they were searching for a semiauto replacement- or modification of- the M1903 Springfield. Had Canadian John Garand remained in the Great White North to become a chess and figure skating champion [or had he resettled in Texas!] Mel Johnson's semiauto might well have fared much better, certainly for international sales [the Dutch colonies] at least. 
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: archy on April 27, 2007, 04:48:02 pm
The older rifles are, indeed, Enfield "jungle carbines" chambered in .303.  The automatic rifles are 9mm Sten sub-machineguns.


You missed a great opportunity for them to be Lanchesters. Lovely old shooters, if a tad heavy.

(http://www.fototime.com/0E1D3F4016AFBFC/orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: 41 mag on April 28, 2007, 01:56:09 am
and have you considered the pederson device? a sub-caliber conversion (drop-in mind you of the 0-3 springfield? as neat a piece of weirdness as lucy 's gabbett -fairfax mars or the unbeilievibly screwy webley -fosbury auto revolver. the other choice of period arms for this story, how about arming a russian with a moisin -nagant gas seal revolver?    ;D
           
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Rocketman on April 28, 2007, 07:15:19 pm
The Johnson's big advantage over the Garand was that the Johnson was recoil operated like the Browning M1919 light machine gun whereas the Garand used a gas system.  Powder fouling the Johnson action was almost impossible.  The long thin Johnson barrel however caused vertical shot dispersation when rapidly being fired.  I would have preferred a Garand myself but both were excellent guns.  We were lucky that the US military had two excellent guns while the Germans only had the G43 only available the last year and a half of the war and the Japanese only had a few experimental copies of the Garand that they made but saw limited combat use.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: jrl on June 03, 2007, 05:37:18 pm
I have to agree with Rocketman: The S&W N-frame is a fabulous piece. (Mine is a model 25-2, & I've made some truly improbable shots with it.) However at 6' & 160#, there is no way on gods green earth I'm going to be able to conceal it about my person, short of wearing a purpose tailored sport coat to help conceal the thing in a shoulder rig. Unfortunately in my life that would look kind of weird, so I make do with a J-frame with a Kel-Tek P32 for backup or sometimes just the P32 when seriously discrete carry is required 'cause it lets me obey the first law of gunfighting: "Bring a Gun." The .32 you've got on you is better than the .45 you left at home.
Title: Re: Let's talk... guns
Post by: Rocketman on June 03, 2007, 07:01:34 pm
JRL:
     We share much in the way of tastes concerning guns.  I too used to carry as a backup a J frame S&W .38 special but replaced it with a Keltec P11 in 9mm.  I carry Starfires in it.  My S&W 25-2 carrys Winchester Silvertips and my other N frame, a S&W 28 with a six inch barrel uses Federal 125 hollow points.  During the summer months I normally only carry the Kel Tec in a behind the back and inside the pants holster but in the wintertime the 25-2 is my companion.  During the winter I can carry even the model 28 in a shoulder holster as I am pretty good size without showing a bulge.