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Title: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: John DeWitt on January 30, 2009, 10:24:05 am
The World Ceres Pennant?

You ended the fricking thing - rather abruptly, I might add - on a bad pun?

For shame.  For shame.

Good story, BTW. 
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: cyberbard on January 30, 2009, 11:12:43 am
Indeed, a bad pun.  But a clever one.

I'm glad the footer says "not the end," because there are lots of loose ends flying around. 

Guy's wavering convictions being the most ovbious loose end in play.  I may be over-thinking this, but Guy did seem a little rattled after his second meeting with King Reggie.  He was certainly rattled after Fia planted that whopper kiss on him.  Guy has always pictured himself as a type of hero, fighting for the benefit of the commoners.  If he returns to Ceres, he can be that hero for the commoners of Ceres.  Granted, in terms of wealth, the commoners of Ceres may not need a "Robin Hood," but they will appreciate someone who can keep the UWRS at bay.  Since Guy knows how the URWS operates, he could be very effective at keeping them contained.  On Ceres, he could make a difference, and people would acknowledge his actions.  Having a chance to perhaps get into Fia's jumpsuit would be the coup de grace.   On Terra, he's just a jumped-up clerk that few (if any) give a toss about.

That stuff didn't need to be said, because it's pretty obvious, but I wanted to say it anyway.  :)

The next big loose end is who tried to kill him in the transit tube?  Guy is a pretty stoic kind of... uh, guy, but I can't see him letting that one slide.  And for that matter, neither will most of the other people in the strip.  A saboteur brings some pretty nasty implications on several levels.  Question is, can Ceres' legal system handle such a person?  And if so, how?


Anyway, this is clearly the end of an arc, but I hope it's not the end of the story.  I've been enjoying this story a lot; I hope there will eventually be more.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Monkt on January 30, 2009, 12:15:28 pm
Indeed, a bad pun.  But a clever one.

I'm glad the footer says "not the end," because there are lots of loose ends flying around. 

Guy's wavering convictions being the most ovbious loose end in play.  I may be over-thinking this, but Guy did seem a little rattled after his second meeting with King Reggie.  He was certainly rattled after Fia planted that whopper kiss on him.  Guy has always pictured himself as a type of hero, fighting for the benefit of the commoners.  If he returns to Ceres, he can be that hero for the commoners of Ceres.  Granted, in terms of wealth, the commoners of Ceres may not need a "Robin Hood," but they will appreciate someone who can keep the UWRS at bay.  Since Guy knows how the URWS operates, he could be very effective at keeping them contained.  On Ceres, he could make a difference, and people would acknowledge his actions.  Having a chance to perhaps get into Fia's jumpsuit would be the coup de grace.   On Terra, he's just a jumped-up clerk that few (if any) give a toss about.

That stuff didn't need to be said, because it's pretty obvious, but I wanted to say it anyway.  :)

The next big loose end is who tried to kill him in the transit tube?  Guy is a pretty stoic kind of... uh, guy, but I can't see him letting that one slide.  And for that matter, neither will most of the other people in the strip.  A saboteur brings some pretty nasty implications on several levels.  Question is, can Ceres' legal system handle such a person?  And if so, how?


Anyway, this is clearly the end of an arc, but I hope it's not the end of the story.  I've been enjoying this story a lot; I hope there will eventually be more.
You don't think the UWRS hasn't been monitoring them the whole time?
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Scott on January 30, 2009, 01:43:18 pm
Firstly, this is most definitely NOT the end of the series.

ESCAPE FROM TERRA is written in longish story-arcs. The current one ("World Ceres") will have its denouement next week, then we transition into the next one, titled -- well I don't want to spoil things just yet. But be prepared for some shocks.

And when that story arc ends, we have another, and then another, and then another ... Sandy has come up with enough material for about 4 years' worth of strips so far, and there doesn't seem to be any bottom to that well. He's turning out story treatments about five times faster than I can turn them into scripts and Lee can draw them.

Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Rocketman on January 30, 2009, 02:25:04 pm
Firstly, this is most definitely NOT the end of the series.

ESCAPE FROM TERRA is written in longish story-arcs. The current one ("World Ceres") will have its denouement next week, then we transition into the next one, titled -- well I don't want to spoil things just yet. But be prepared for some shocks.

And when that story arc ends, we have another, and then another, and then another ... Sandy has come up with enough material for about 4 years' worth of strips so far, and there doesn't seem to be any bottom to that well. He's turning out story treatments about five times faster than I can turn them into scripts and Lee can draw them.

Scott: does that mean then that BHP is considering having more than just two stories running at a time?  That there will be additional opportunities for other people to submit stories to BHP?  As a total aside, everytime I see "BHP" my mind always thinks "Browning Hi Power"
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: cyberbard on January 30, 2009, 03:22:55 pm
You don't think the UWRS hasn't been monitoring them the whole time?

Perhaps they have, perhaps not.  But no, I don't think they have been.  I wasn't giving the UWRS that much credit, to be honest.  If they had the resources, or the will, to monitor their people as closely as you imply, then they would have used a different tactic to reel in Ceres.  Something involving all sorts of subtle legal and economic pressure before sending even a single agent.  They don't appear to have given Ceres much notice until very recently.  They've probably tapped out other financial wells and are prospecting for more.  That's just my own impression; I may be dead wrong.

I'm sure the UWRS has an ulterior motive, though.  They may have needed an excuse to let some people go, and given that Guy wasn't the most popular person in the office, his name was the first on the chopping block.  So, it's possible that they sent Guy on this mission expecting him to fail, and thus giving them an excuse to cut him.  The fact that Fia, the 36-24-36 office distraction, is also out of the picture, might be seen as an unexpected bonus.  Or a darn shame, depending on who you ask.  That's one theory, but not the best one.

I think it's more likely that the UWRS expected Guy and Fia to fail, but they will use that failure as an excuse to ramp up their attempts to reel in Ceres: "See?  They really are renegades!  Using a barter system instead of established currency?!?  Profit sharing?!?  Home schooling?!?  Personal weapons?!?  We need to bring in every political tool the UW can muster to control these savages before they start to spread!" 

I think Guy and Fia were pawns in a greater plan; the first pieces moved in an eco-political game a chess.  The UW always wanted to turn Ceres into a money mill, but they needed an excuse to start the process.  So, they sent a pair of patsy accountants to their professional doom.

But that plan might have backfired, and let's hope it did.  Fia has already gone native.  If anything, that will give the UWRS more reason to get aggressive, but they may have to be more careful in how they move, because Fia is going to talk.  Being lower on the ranks than Guy, she won't know as much about the system as he, but she will freely share what she knows.

They didn't expect Guy to turn.  In fact they probably counted on his rigid sense of duty to keep him in line.  Which it has, but he has been tempted.  If it turns out that Guy has been used as a patsy, he'll probably figure that out pretty quick.  He's many things but he's not stupid.  If that happens, then I could easily see him donning that Chancellor of the Exchequer robe.  And that would be a misstep on the part of the UWRS.  Guy has been with them for a while, and knows a lot about how they operate and what their methods are.  He could make things difficult for UWRS.  (For that reason they may lock him up or try to kill him if he tries to leave Terra!)

Again, just my impressions.  YMMV.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on January 30, 2009, 05:41:26 pm
You don't think the UWRS hasn't been monitoring them the whole time?

Perhaps they have, perhaps not.  But no, I don't think they have been.  I wasn't giving the UWRS that much credit, to be honest. 

I'm sure you have heard that Bamford says the NSA had intercepts on the 9-11 guys, but failed to pass any info to CIA or FBI. Governments--in addition to being inherently anti-freedom--are always weak sisters (or complete incompetents) in just about everything they try to do. The UW is the same, but larger, therefore more so.

If they had the resources, or the will, to monitor their people as closely as you imply, then they would have used a different tactic to reel in Ceres.  Something involving all sorts of subtle legal and economic pressure before sending even a single agent.  They don't appear to have given Ceres much notice until very recently.  They've probably tapped out other financial wells and are prospecting for more.  That's just my own impression; I may be dead wrong.

No, good analysis (which is not to say you are correct... or wrong).  ;)

I'm sure the UWRS has an ulterior motive, though.  They may have needed an excuse to let some people go, and given that Guy wasn't the most popular person in the office, his name was the first on the chopping block.  So, it's possible that they sent Guy on this mission expecting him to fail, and thus giving them an excuse to cut him.  The fact that Fia, the 36-24-36 office distraction, is also out of the picture, might be seen as an unexpected bonus.  Or a darn shame, depending on who you ask.  That's one theory, but not the best one.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. There are no evil Machiavellian genius in the UW. Just pluggers worried about their pensions.

I think it's more likely that the UWRS expected Guy and Fia to fail, but they will use that failure as an excuse to ramp up their attempts to reel in Ceres: "See?  They really are renegades!  Using a barter system instead of established currency?!?  Profit sharing?!?  Home schooling?!?  Personal weapons?!?  We need to bring in every political tool the UW can muster to control these savages before they start to spread!" 

I think Guy and Fia were pawns in a greater plan; the first pieces moved in an eco-political game a chess.  The UW always wanted to turn Ceres into a money mill, but they needed an excuse to start the process.  So, they sent a pair of patsy accountants to their professional doom.

I appreciate your Byzantine plot ideas, but I'm just simple guy from Missouri. I don't think folks in government are nearly that clever. Mostly it's a matter of thinking you see some wealth and then trying to grab it without much subtlety.

IBut that plan might have backfired, and let's hope it did.  Fia has already gone native.  If anything, that will give the UWRS more reason to get aggressive, but they may have to be more careful in how they move, because Fia is going to talk.  Being lower on the ranks than Guy, she won't know as much about the system as he, but she will freely share what she knows.

They didn't expect Guy to turn.  In fact they probably counted on his rigid sense of duty to keep him in line.  Which it has, but he has been tempted.  If it turns out that Guy has been used as a patsy, he'll probably figure that out pretty quick.  He's many things but he's not stupid.  If that happens, then I could easily see him donning that Chancellor of the Exchequer robe.  And that would be a misstep on the part of the UWRS.  Guy has been with them for a while, and knows a lot about how they operate and what their methods are.  He could make things difficult for UWRS.  (For that reason they may lock him up or try to kill him if he tries to leave Terra!)

I guess we will just have to wait and see...  ;D
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Rocketman on January 30, 2009, 07:59:12 pm
Guy seems like to me anyway to be the kind of guy that's motivated more by ideology (or at least he used to be that way) than he does by moving up the ladder and doesn't seem the type to play "office politics".  He was probably chosen for this assignment because it was considered to be an extremely difficult assignment and he was expected to fail.  If he failed then without a higher up ally to cover for him his career would have effectively been over and they're would not have been any retaliation to anyone who gave him the assignment in the first place.  That's why he was picked.  Fia is a different story.  She is probably compentent but with that face and body pretty much every other woman hates her for her looks.  The female supervisor who assigned her to assist Guy knew that an opportunity presented itself to get rid of her and she took it.
     Oh, and if I were in Guy's position, I would definitely leave out the part where I was offered the Chancellor of the Exchequer position in my report to the UW.   The UW would automatically assume that I had switched sides which would either get me a nice permanent apartment about 8' x 10' at the graybar hotel or a bullet in the back of the head.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: FenrisWolf on January 31, 2009, 08:24:43 pm
Well, it took the 'World Ceres' to get me to register and post, but I'm rather glad I did.  Otherwise I wouldn't have learned just how much more there was going to be to this story.  Of course the potential of any government to become corrupt is in inverse proportion to the the checks on the powers it has raken upon itself.  Here we have a World/Interplanetary government with no checks on its bureaucracy, attempting to stretch its grasp outward to what is apparently the last bastion of individualism in the Solar System.  Unfortunately for the Powers That Be, they see themselves as seated high on a golden throne of moral rectitude, stretching their hands out over the huddled masses, when in fact the are teetering precariously on a wobbly stepladder that iiself is perched atop an even flimsier House of Cards, and all it needs is one good push (or half a dozen kinetic strikes) to bring the whole mess crashing down around their ears.

 Very few people can wrap their minds around just how vast an area is encompassed by the asteroid belt.  If as it seems the Ceresians (Cerites? Free Humans?) are self-sufficient and have been preparing for this confrontation for a while, the bureaucrats are going to be in for a very nasty surprise.  One's ability to wage war is determined by the security of one's supply lines; I suspect Ceres is going to end up Moscow to the UW's Napoleon....
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on January 31, 2009, 09:23:05 pm
Well, it took the 'World Ceres' to get me to register and post, but I'm rather glad I did.  Otherwise I wouldn't have learned just how much more there was going to be to this story. 

And we won't just be repackaging and reselling the same old soap. The universe where Ceres exists, has all the depth and breadth of our world. There is romance and betrayal, saints and sinners, adventure, humor, wonders and the ordinary. Please stay tuned.

Of course the potential of any government to become corrupt is in inverse proportion to the the checks on the powers it has raken upon itself.  Here we have a World/Interplanetary government with no checks on its bureaucracy, attempting to stretch its grasp outward to what is apparently the last bastion of individualism in the Solar System.  Unfortunately for the Powers That Be, they see themselves as seated high on a golden throne of moral rectitude, stretching their hands out over the huddled masses, when in fact the are teetering precariously on a wobbly stepladder that iiself is perched atop an even flimsier House of Cards, and all it needs is one good push (or half a dozen kinetic strikes) to bring the whole mess crashing down around their ears.

Well, yeah.  ;D

Very few people can wrap their minds around just how vast an area is encompassed by the asteroid belt.  If as it seems the Ceresians (Cerites? Free Humans?) are self-sufficient and have been preparing for this confrontation for a while, the bureaucrats are going to be in for a very nasty surprise.  One's ability to wage war is determined by the security of one's supply lines; I suspect Ceres is going to end up Moscow to the UW's Napoleon....

Shhh! I gotta make a living here, fella. (Cerereans is the most grammatically correct term and the one the Cerereans use, when they aren't calling themselves Ferddies. Mother-Lovers and other slang names.)
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Leviathan on February 01, 2009, 01:14:07 am
One of the saddest dynamics in society I've ever come across...  The more free a society is, the less real poverty there is, and the less anybody really looks at the "top dogs" and says "It's unfair that they have that much while I have so much less!"  The less free a society is, the more poverty, and the more there are people who support measures which don't really impact the "top dogs", but instead increases the amount of poverty they are in.  In other words, the more dominated a society is, the more it supports that domination overall.  The less dominated, the less people really demand the domination.  Because they always believe that the domination is impacting everybody but them, when they demand it.  And have less reason to be in favor of domination if they're not dominated because their lives are good.  Hong Kong, almost nobody there really wants more economic controls.  New Zealand, there were borderline if not actual riots when government subsidies for many things disappeared.  Yet now that they're gone and farmers are making more money and more crops, the farmers are actually usually horrified (or mystified, "you're suggesting what?") at the mere idea of their return.  In the US, when regulations turn the entire mess to rancid shit the first demand is more regulations.  Russia, when the Czar held absolute sway and was maintaining what amounted to feudalism long after any of the mechanics that let feudalism continue?  Their answer was to institute communism, a system whereby there was theoretically no private ownership of anything.

Anyway, I suspect some of my earlier comments in these threads really were giving the (uncomfortably less than) fictional government in EfT too much credit.  They are highly unlikely to give up just because Guy says Ceres is a plum not worth the picking.  But, you know, ultimately the reason they'd send Guy?  They were covering their ass.  He was too officious an employee to take advantage of free fare to Ceres to just start a new life there.  Relatively low-ranking.  If he had succeeded, his boss (and her boss, and that boss's boss) would be ready to take credit for getting the job done.  That he has failed, he's become all too ready a target for blame.  Ironically, he could use Fiorella as a blame target to pass the buck further down the line.  Say that she abandoned her position and that's why he failed, or worse turned traitor and helped them craft the little deal they're intent on.  But he seems too honest to actually do so.  So if he basically quits and joins up with the Cerereans, they'll send others to go over the Ceres books.  Probably equally lowly functionaries and accountants.  And maybe by then Guy'll realize just what "ajudication" services are, and how little a jukebox church resembles the catholic church most think of when they're pondering religious authority  :D  Admittedly I wouldn't be too keen on becoming a member of the congregation.  Kareoke usually sets my teeth, spine, and most other body parts on edge  :P  But if the guns come out...  Let's just say, troops trained in Terran gravity would be almost useless upon landing on Ceres.  Even if they're using lasers or something, the apparent difference in weight of weapon would throw aim off.

As for self-sufficiency, with nanotech, carbon, and water, they are quite probably capable of making do just trading among the belts and with Mars.  But Terra is a piece of their income, and I'm sure holds some level of special place in their hearts on top of it.  There's a great line from this movie I saw about the US internment camps for Japanese.  When the americans asked the guy whether he was hoping Japan won or the US won, his response was "If your mother and father are having a fight, do you hope your mother kills your father, or father your mother?  Or do you wish they would just stop fighting?"  Terra's the little mudball with cosmic-scale fungus all over it everybody came from.  Just because it's gone fucknut insane with totalitarian government doesn't mean you'd like to turn it into a dust-enveloped slag pile.  Even if you might be tempted to lob a few rocks straight at the odious bastards who think they own you. 

Oh, that kinda reminds me.  The Burner ship?  What G acceleration/deceleration where they travelling at?  At 1G constant thrust, ten days sounds like UWRS sent them out there when the place was on or near the other side of the sun.  If my numbers are correct, 1g constant acceleration and deceleration, they should've travelled 1,791,590,400 kilometers, give or take.  The closest thing to a diameter of Ceres' orbit is 829,257,746km...  Yeah.  They got a sudden yearning for Belter proceeds at the absolute worst time of year to take a ride out there.  Even assuming the owner of the ship they flew on is a bit more efficiency conscious and only did, say, 0.5-0.8G, and accounting for the fact that you can't exactly fly in a straight line anywhere nearby things like the sun, they almost couldn't have been in any other alignment.  Either this is a straight-up jab at the idiotic inefficiency of government that's really subtly embedded (congrats if so, I love stories that there's subtle nuances that hit you over time), or somebody with gov connections and incentive decided to pull a string in order to get a noose around the Belt's neck.  Consolidate them by the next time shipping to Terra was easy to manage.

One, uhh, last question for now?  Are Bert and Ernie really Babbette Guzman the elder's sons?  Or are they, hmm, either her co-husbands or co-husbands of her daughter?  As hard as it might be to tell in black and white inking, the family resemblance between BG the elder and the "son" who it's implied wasn't adopted doesn't seem all that close  ;D  Resemblance at the third apparent generation would appear to be the "adopted son's".  Babbette the elder doesn't seem to have a husband helping to run the place, entirely possible for him to have moved on in terms of relationships or corporeality.  But no mother between the two Babbettes has been introduced to be the parent of the precocious little urchin  ;)  Now, if it's a daughter (living or deceased) who married two men at once, they'd both be "sons in law" and "brothers in law".  And now that my brain's thinking in terms of Heinleinian references, is "water brothers" a "stranger in a strange land" reference?
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 01, 2009, 09:51:06 pm
Anyway, I suspect some of my earlier comments in these threads really were giving the (uncomfortably less than) fictional government in EfT too much credit...

I think so too.  ;) 

Admittedly I wouldn't be too keen on becoming a member of the congregation.  Kareoke usually sets my teeth, spine, and most other body parts on edge  :P 

Well there's the sermon and the music. Some come for one, some come for the other and some sit through the whole thing.

Oh, that kinda reminds me.  The Burner ship?  What G acceleration/deceleration where they travelling at? 

Given enough power and reaction mass, a burner can fly at multiple gs, if necessary. Civilian boats, such as the one that Guy & Fiorella flew on to Ceres, usually burn at around .38g. That's the same as Mars and Mercury gravity, which most humans prefer. Burners don't necessarily fly Hohmann transfer orbits. They take advantage of chaotic transfer orbits and gravity assists. So YMMV.

Either this is a straight-up jab at the idiotic inefficiency of government that's really subtly embedded (congrats if so, I love stories that there's subtle nuances that hit you over time), or somebody with gov connections and incentive decided to pull a string in order to get a noose around the Belt's neck.  Consolidate them by the next time shipping to Terra was easy to manage.

C. None of the above. The UW uses commercial carriers for non-military movement of personnel. As of this stage in the strip, there are no passenger liners except those owned by Terran carriers doing the Lunar run and those owned by Martian spaceliner companies.

One, uhh, last question for now?  Are Bert and Ernie really Babbette Guzman the elder's sons?


Yup, with the proviso that Bert (Robert) was informally adopted (and has a very strange origin). Ernie (Ernesto) is Babbette's birth mother. As is often the case with genetics, Ernie takes after his mestizo grandparents than his mother. 


Babbette the elder doesn't seem to have a husband helping to run the place...

Died when the boys were in their teens. We will reference some of this later. (BTW, though kids like to play with their ages by quoting them in Mars years. Most folks use Terra years when discussing age. (For one thing you get about twice as many birthdays that way.)  ;D

And now that my brain's thinking in terms of Heinleinian references, is "water brothers" a "stranger in a strange land" reference?

Give that man a cigar! There are numerous "Easter Eggs" throughout EFT. A lot refer to Heinlein, but there are references to other authors and their work, SF movies, etc. Some of the characters are modeled after real people. I wrote some, Scott wrote some and Lee has used his imagination on others. Why do we do this? For the same reason a dog... oh you know.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Leviathan on February 02, 2009, 03:28:51 am
With apologies, sandy, I'm stripping your color tags out...  They're impossible to read on the light background of quote tags.
Well there's the sermon and the music. Some come for one, some come for the other and some sit through the whole thing.

Not big on sermons.  Music is great, but the fact that actual kareoke has caught on in Japan mystifies me.  Most people, myself included, really aren't all that fantastic at carrying a tune.  I just have freakish ears that can't ignore the deficit...  Makes it comparatively easy for me to learn foreign languages including the tonal asiatic family, but listening to most people trying to sing along is like nails on a chalkboard...  Might attend if I got to be friends with the good pastor, and at least check it out for the novelty factor.

C. None of the above. The UW uses commercial carriers for non-military movement of personnel. As of this stage in the strip, there are no passenger liners except those owned by Terran carriers doing the Lunar run and those owned by Martian spaceliner companies.

I think you got me wrong.  Not consolidating the passenger ships.  Consolidating mineral or other resources that the belt imports are competition for.  Even at the lower continuous thrust, that still puts Terra pretty much on opposite sides of the sun from Ceres.  Either the UWRS is being random and doesn't give a shit that it's picking the worst time of year to send someone out there, or the timing was incited by some lobbyist or something who wants to get rid of the competition before its at its most competetive again.  Or an actual C, heh, and it's some other psychotic factor like somebody who just hates belters got a promotion.  But it amounts to either they had no reason at all to send a ship across at or near opposition, or they had a reason and I'm curious what that reason might be if it exists  :D

Yup, with the proviso that Bert (Robert) was informally adopted (and has a very strange origin). Ernie (Ernesto) is Babbette's birth mother. As is often the case with genetics, Ernie takes after his mestizo grandparents than his mother. 

Ernie is Babbette's birth mother?  Either you're really tired writing this line, or that is some damned effective elective surgery.  So, uhm, regardless of Ernesto's gendering at time of conception, where's Babbette the younger's other parent?

Died when the boys were in their teens. We will reference some of this later. (BTW, though kids like to play with their ages by quoting them in Mars years. Most folks use Terra years when discussing age. (For one thing you get about twice as many birthdays that way.)  ;D

Sounds like me with Christmas and Channukah  ;)  Could cut it both ways and have your cake and eat it too.  "It's my Martian birthday!  Now my Terran birthday!  Now it's my Cererean birthday!  Jovian!  Venusian!  Mercurian!"
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: cyberbard on February 02, 2009, 08:30:35 am
I appreciate your Byzantine plot ideas, but I'm just simple guy from Missouri. I don't think folks in government are nearly that clever. Mostly it's a matter of thinking you see some wealth and then trying to grab it without much subtlety.

Byzantine?  Ach, you cut me to the quick, sir.   ;D

But seriously, I write science fiction stories as well, and a some of my stuff deals with over-powerful corporations and/or twisted government departments, that pull all kinds of crazy stunts with multiple layers of deceit and intrigue.  That being said, with reference to my twisted plot lines... sorry.  Force of habit.

 8)

And as for today's episode... I can't believe Guy actually submitted to $80B request.  He knows this will trash his career!  Unless during the trip back he decided to go back to Ceres and take King Reggie's job offer, in which case he doesn't care how his superiors react.

Oops.  Sorry.  I did it again.   :D
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 02, 2009, 09:08:50 am
With apologies, sandy, I'm stripping your color tags out...  They're impossible to read on the light background of quote tags.

Let's try this for a change.

I think you got me wrong.  Not consolidating the passenger ships.  Consolidating mineral or other resources that the belt imports are competition for.  Even at the lower continuous thrust, that still puts Terra pretty much on opposite sides of the sun from Ceres.  Either the UWRS is being random and doesn't give a shit that it's picking the worst time of year to send someone out there, or the timing was incited by some lobbyist or something who wants to get rid of the competition before its at its most competetive again.  Or an actual C, heh, and it's some other psychotic factor like somebody who just hates belters got a promotion.  But it amounts to either they had no reason at all to send a ship across at or near opposition, or they had a reason and I'm curious what that reason might be if it exists  :D

Sailing ships, airlines and spacelines all have to publish and keep schedules. Guy and Fiorella flew on a commercial vessel. As it happened, the trip took longer than it would have if the relative positions of Terra and Ceres had been closer. Also, there is the possibility that I did the math wrong.  ;D

... where's Babbette the younger's other parent?

She's around. We will meet her briefly in a future arc.

Sounds like me with Christmas and Channukah  ;)  Could cut it both ways and have your cake and eat it too.  "It's my Martian birthday!  Now my Terran birthday!  Now it's my Cererean birthday!  Jovian!  Venusian!  Mercurian!"


Hanukkah and Chinese New Year are celebrated using a lunar calendar irrespective of what the Gregorian calendar dates are. Off Terra, birthdays and holidays are celebrate based on the Terran Calendar irrespective of what the Martian date is for tradition's sake.

Okay, now for a vision test. I wish to eschew black, so tell me which of the other colors works best for you.

RED
YELLOW
PINK
GREEN
ORANGE
PURPLE
BLUE
BEIGE
BROWN
TEAL
NAVY
MAROON
LIME GREEN
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 02, 2009, 09:19:47 am
Byzantine?  Ach, you cut me to the quick, sir.   ;D

Geez, I thought "Byzantine" sounded better than "rococo."

But seriously, I write science fiction stories as well, and a some of my stuff deals with over-powerful corporations and/or twisted government departments, that pull all kinds of crazy stunts with multiple layers of deceit and intrigue.  That being said, with reference to my twisted plot lines... sorry.  Force of habit.

That's why there are horse races.

And as for today's episode... I can't believe Guy actually submitted to $80B request.  He knows this will trash his career!  Unless during the trip back he decided to go back to Ceres and take King Reggie's job offer, in which case he doesn't care how his superiors react.

Oops.  Sorry.  I did it again.   :D

He didn't submit an 80 billion request. He submitted the Treaty of Mutual Indifference as an alternative to the 80 billion due Ceres. He is hoping that saving the UW 80 billion will save his job. ( = Continental)
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Rocketman on February 02, 2009, 10:12:49 am
Sandy!!! Please no more teal.  Just reading the little bit that you wrote in that previous post gave me a headache.  I'm not crazy about the red, green or yellow either but I can live with lime green, navy, moroon or pink.  :(
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 02, 2009, 11:15:29 am
Sandy!!! Please no more teal.  Just reading the little bit that you wrote in that previous post gave me a headache.  I'm not crazy about the red, green or yellow either but I can live with lime green, navy, moroon or pink.  :(

Okay, let's try lime green for a while.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: cyberbard on February 02, 2009, 01:33:03 pm
He didn't submit an 80 billion request. He submitted the Treaty of Mutual Indifference as an alternative to the 80 billion due Ceres. He is hoping that saving the UW 80 billion will save his job. ( = Continental)

Well, he might avoid getting fired, but I suspect he'll be shunted aside in terms of career advancement.  He was sent to Ceres to collect a check, not a bill.  I doubt he'll be given any more interesting assignments for quite some time.  Just more speculation, based on what I've witnessed IRL.

Why did Guy bring his souvenir pennant to a meeting with the brass?  I don't see what purpose that will serve... unless he's required by some arcane regulation to present it, simply because it was a gift from a government official.
 ???
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 02, 2009, 02:33:59 pm
Well, he might avoid getting fired, but I suspect he'll be shunted aside in terms of career advancement.  He was sent to Ceres to collect a check, not a bill.  I doubt he'll be given any more interesting assignments for quite some time.  Just more speculation, based on what I've witnessed IRL.

Why did Guy bring his souvenir pennant to a meeting with the brass?  I don't see what purpose that will serve... unless he's required by some arcane regulation to present it, simply because it was a gift from a government official.
 ???

Guy hates all "ball & stick" games. So he didn't get the joke Reggie played on him. He showed it because he thought it was an honor. Now you have to ask yourself, why Reggie played such a mean trick on Guy...
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Scott on February 02, 2009, 10:02:52 pm
Rocketman: We are not going to be expanding our number of in-production series in the foreseeable future.  ESCAPE FROM TERRA will be a continuing series, and when ODYSSUES ends we'll have another serialized graphic novel taking its place. After that, we may go to doing just two continuing series (the dynamics of webcomics seems to favor that approach), but we won't have to make a decision on that until 2011.

Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Leviathan on February 03, 2009, 01:21:05 am
Orange is readable on the normal background, but when we put it in the quote tags, the background is lighter and the contrast is almost nonexistent.  Red is readable on both normal and quote, lime is also probably okay for both.  I just was apologizing for changing your text color, mang.  Normally it's readable.  I just have to select it to read it when somebody quotes it.  Teal is illegible due to contrast issues normally, though.  Assuming you use the same theme, you can see what it'll look like using preview  :P

Which is a trick for everybody else here if somebody ever posts something without sufficient contrast to make it legible.  Select it, and it "strips" the color variation. 

Anyway, my math says 609,140,736km travelled at 0.38g.  Which is just about both Terra's and Cere's aphelions added together.  Okay, that's not quite opposition accounting for curvature even under constant acceleration.  But still pretty close to far side.  The longer the trip, the more all the overhead expenses for the ship taking them there (and back, three weeks isn't enough time for much movement).  Which means they're paying at a guess 2-3x short trip burner rates.  Another question is whether life support and salaries are more expensive for slow-moving ships than the unimaginable amount of energy expended on running a rocket 24/7 for more than a week with something that weighs that much.  Right now that kind of energy is afaik comparable to lighting a small city.  Of course, if the same technology in the engines runs power plants on the ground...  Who knows.  My point is it seems they went the expensive way about sending someone out rather than waiting probably six to eight months for a closer approach to ship them out-belt completely on the cheap.  It's not like it would be an emergency, shipping them out-belt.  So since you all haven't thought about this, I assume it can be just chalked up to government showing how its best and brightest can be as efficient as possible  ;D

Oh, and Guy's career wasn't salvagable from the moment he was sent on the mission.  Someone decided in the chain of command that Ceres would be taxed.  Ceres isn't amenable to taxation.  He's always going to be the second-most convenient scapegoat.  Fiorella Stellina was the most convenient one, being lowest-ranking and having deserted.  But Guy somehow manages not to be scummy enough to pass the buck to her.

Sandy,
Please, no teal, no teal, for the love of humanity and the eyes of everyone...  Lime green.  Red.  Orange even is readable when you type it.  I didn't mean to start the color wars when I apologized for stripping your preferred color in the one circumstance it wasn't legible!  Gaaaaa!  Forgive me oh great comic artist!

But...  I think I get a couple puns.  The biggest one is pitching one straight over "homeplate".  Only, with extinction level events rather than baseballs.  The other, "you just struck out!"  A third, "we return your pitch with a bunt!"  No, no no!  I'm getting FLCL flashbacks!  The mindfuck is breaching containment and beginning to consume my sene of reality!  I've got music from The Pillows running through my head!  It's chaos!

Anyway.  One thing that has left me gasping over some of the previous fantastic projects is that I reach the end and go, "NOOO!  It can't be over!  I want more!  More more more!  And I'll get more as soon as the next comic starts, but it'll be different too!  And I can't afford amazon (yet) to start snagging used books to read the original and its sequels if it was even based on something prior!"  On the other hand, I know there's unlikely to be a true series climax anytime soon so there's a *tad* less anticipation beyond wearing the refresh button out when it edges towards midnight CST  :-[
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: KBCraig on February 03, 2009, 02:50:35 am
Sandy!!! Please no more teal.  Just reading the little bit that you wrote in that previous post gave me a headache.  I'm not crazy about the red, green or yellow either but I can live with lime green, navy, moroon or pink.  :(

Okay, let's try lime green for a while.

Let's try none of the above, and just stick with standard nested quotes. Leave the color tag alone, please!

Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: cyberbard on February 03, 2009, 08:41:19 am
Guy hates all "ball & stick" games. So he didn't get the joke Reggie played on him. He showed it because he thought it was an honor. Now you have to ask yourself, why Reggie played such a mean trick on Guy...

Hmmm.  I came up with two theories, though I'm sure I could come up with others.

Theory #1 assumes that Reggie actually likes and/or respects Guy.  Perhaps he sees Guy as ultimately being a decent man who, if extracted from the regimented life he's currently trapped in, would be a genuine asset to Ceres.  So, Reggie offered Guy an alternative path (in the form of a government job offer), and gave him the pennant as a physical reminder of that offer.  Every time Guy looks at the pennant, he will be reminded of "what could be." The choice is his.

Theory #2 assumes that while Reggie may feel that Guy is a decent man, he's ultimately a total putz.  He's too caught up in his ideology to ever break free of it.  The job offer is ultimately just words (though it's well within Reggie's power to make it a reality).  The Pennant is a practical joke.  Reggie knows that Guy will take it seriously, but that everyone else will see it as an insult.  Ergo, he set Guy up to become the laughing stock of the UWRS.  As soon as Guy's shuttle left, he and the rest of the party laughed their asses off.

Personally I'm hoping for Theory #1, because I think it would be a more interesting story.  Guy is starting to grow and see things differently, and I think it would be fun to see that continue.  And as much as I hate to admit it, I'm growing to like the man, even if he is an idealistic fool.  He's not beyond redemption.

But since you're the primary writer, and you referred to the pennant as a "mean trick," I'm guessing that theory #2 is closer to the mark.
 :(

But then... theory #2a.  Reggie is hoping that the humiliation of being the office laughing stock will cause Guy to re-evaluate things, and perhaps choose a different path.  Weather Guy goes back to Ceres, or finds a new life for himself somewhere else in the sol system, is totally up to Guy.  But either way, Reggie wins, because Guy would be turning his back on Terra.

After today's episode, it doesn't look like Guy's day is starting out at all well.


And I for one hate the color tags, will never use them, and will edit them out of any reply I make.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 03, 2009, 08:57:37 am
Orange is readable on the normal background, but when we put it in the quote tags, the background is lighter and the contrast is almost nonexistent.  Red is readable on both normal and quote, lime is also probably okay for both...

Lime green for now, then.

Which is a trick for everybody else here if somebody ever posts something without sufficient contrast to make it legible.  Select it, and it "strips" the color variation. 

Yup, that works.

Anyway, my math says 609,140,736km travelled at 0.38g. 

To be more precise, commercial burners usually run at 3.6 m/s, which slightly less than Mars' equatorial surface gravity of 3.69 m/s.

Which is just about both Terra's and Cere's aphelions added together. 

Of course the burners don't fly through the sun, so add a few kilometers to swing around it.

Okay, that's not quite opposition accounting for curvature even under constant acceleration.  But still pretty close to far side.  The longer the trip, the more all the overhead expenses for the ship taking them there (and back, three weeks isn't enough time for much movement).  Which means they're paying at a guess 2-3x short trip burner rates.  Another question is whether life support and salaries are more expensive for slow-moving ships than the unimaginable amount of energy expended on running a rocket 24/7 for more than a week with something that weighs that much.  

People paid a lot more to take the Concorde than a jumbo jet. So?

Right now that kind of energy is afaik comparable to lighting a small city.  Of course, if the same technology in the engines runs power plants on the ground...  Who knows.  My point is it seems they went the expensive way about sending someone out rather than waiting probably six to eight months for a closer approach to ship them out-belt completely on the cheap.  It's not like it would be an emergency, shipping them out-belt.  So since you all haven't thought about this, I assume it can be just chalked up to government showing how its best and brightest can be as efficient as possible  ;D

The government doesn't give a flip about cost.

But...  I think I get a couple puns.  The biggest one is pitching one straight over "homeplate".  Only, with extinction level events rather than baseballs.  The other, "you just struck out!"  A third, "we return your pitch with a bunt!"  No, no no!  I'm getting FLCL flashbacks!  The mindfuck is breaching containment and beginning to consume my sene of reality!  I've got music from The Pillows running through my head!  It's chaos!

Anyway.  One thing that has left me gasping over some of the previous fantastic projects is that I reach the end and go, "NOOO!  It can't be over!  I want more!  More more more!  And I'll get more as soon as the next comic starts, but it'll be different too!  And I can't afford amazon (yet) to start snagging used books to read the original and its sequels if it was even based on something prior!"  On the other hand, I know there's unlikely to be a true series climax anytime soon so there's a *tad* less anticipation beyond wearing the refresh button out when it edges towards midnight CST  :-[

Put down the mouse and back away from the keyboard. Keep your hands where we can see them. Now go in the kitchen, throw out your regular coffee and switch to decaf.  :P
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 03, 2009, 09:05:13 am
Guy hates all "ball & stick" games. So he didn't get the joke Reggie played on him. He showed it because he thought it was an honor. Now you have to ask yourself, why Reggie played such a mean trick on Guy...

Hmmm.  I came up with two theories, though I'm sure I could come up with others.

Theory #1 assumes that Reggie actually likes and/or respects Guy.  Perhaps he sees Guy as ultimately being a decent man who, if extracted from the regimented life he's currently trapped in, would be a genuine asset to Ceres.  So, Reggie offered Guy an alternative path (in the form of a government job offer), and gave him the pennant as a physical reminder of that offer.  Every time Guy looks at the pennant, he will be reminded of "what could be." The choice is his.

Theory #2 assumes that while Reggie may feel that Guy is a decent man, he's ultimately a total putz.  He's too caught up in his ideology to ever break free of it.  The job offer is ultimately just words (though it's well within Reggie's power to make it a reality).  The Pennant is a practical joke.  Reggie knows that Guy will take it seriously, but that everyone else will see it as an insult.  Ergo, he set Guy up to become the laughing stock of the UWRS.  As soon as Guy's shuttle left, he and the rest of the party laughed their asses off.

Personally I'm hoping for Theory #1, because I think it would be a more interesting story.  Guy is starting to grow and see things differently, and I think it would be fun to see that continue.  And as much as I hate to admit it, I'm growing to like the man, even if he is an idealistic fool.  He's not beyond redemption.

But since you're the primary writer, and you referred to the pennant as a "mean trick," I'm guessing that theory #2 is closer to the mark.
 :(

But then... theory #2a.  Reggie is hoping that the humiliation of being the office laughing stock will cause Guy to re-evaluate things, and perhaps choose a different path.  Weather Guy goes back to Ceres, or finds a new life for himself somewhere else in the sol system, is totally up to Guy.  But either way, Reggie wins, because Guy would be turning his back on Terra.

After today's episode, it doesn't look like Guy's day is starting out at all well.

Great analysis, but you will have to wait to see how much you got right and how much you got wrong. (Okay, screw it, no more color. Sheesh!)
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: KBCraig on February 04, 2009, 02:14:48 am
Theory #1 assumes that Reggie actually likes and/or respects Guy.  Perhaps he sees Guy as ultimately being a decent man who, if extracted from the regimented life he's currently trapped in, would be a genuine asset to Ceres.

You read ahead to 2/4, didn't you?  ;D

Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Leviathan on February 04, 2009, 04:50:37 am
The government doesn't give a flip about cost.

Which is precisely the point.  It's a nonsense way to think one's being efficient when one is really just being extravagant and not giving a shit.  "Let's get this done, people!" "Uhh, but wouldn't it be cheaper to wait half a year, it's not like we're gonna collect any more if we send someone now." "Shh.  Our budget for this year needs some padding so next year's budget's bigger!"  Stupidity in government.  Total lack of concern for real efficiency (a worker who isn't sweating on the verge of passing out is a more productive one, honest!), combined with extravagance when it comes to looking like it's being efficient.

Put down the mouse and back away from the keyboard. Keep your hands where we can see them. Now go in the kitchen, throw out your regular coffee and switch to decaf.  :P

You can have my caffeine when you pry it from my cold, dead, still twitching from being so heavily caffeinated fingers!
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: cyberbard on February 04, 2009, 08:10:03 am
You read ahead to 2/4, didn't you?  ;D

No! I didn't, really! I'm innocent, I tell you!  I am not a number, I am a free man!  :)

I'm glad to see that Reggie actually likes/respects Guy.  It sounds like Reggie sees Guy as a "diamond in the rough."  I don't know if the rest of the gang on Ceres has the same opinion of Guy, though.  I suspect that some of them would still prefer to send him through an airlock without a pressure suit.  But then again, Guy did surprise everyone with his quick thinking in the transit tube, so who knows.

When Guy discovers that Reggie is a fraud, he'll probably be very upset.  But if he's able to return to Ceres, he'll eventually let that go (thinks I).  Ultimately, I suspect he'll shrug, say "Beaucoup du merde" (what a load of sh*t), and then chuckle.  Then he and Fia can open a business as CPA's for off-world traders, or something of the sort.

And while Guy should ultimately "get the joke," I doubt his superiors will!  An even if they do, they won't be amused. This could get ugly.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 04, 2009, 08:12:42 am
"Shh.  Our budget for this year needs some padding so next year's budget's bigger!"

Yes, it's "use it or lose it" with department budgets. If you commit the sin of actually spending less than your budget and saving the taxpayer some money, you are punished with a lower budget next year.

You can have my caffeine when you pry it from my cold, dead, still twitching from being so heavily caffeinated fingers!

Okay everyone, back away slowly and keep smiling. He has a coffee mug and he knows how to use it.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 04, 2009, 08:19:13 am
I'm glad to see that Reggie actually likes/respects Guy.  It sounds like Reggie sees Guy as a "diamond in the rough."  I don't know if the rest of the gang on Ceres has the same opinion of Guy, though.

Reggie is highly respected and his opinion carries a lot of weight. Guy, personally, was never the enemy. If he comes back, I'm pretty sure Belters will judge him on his own merits. That's how free people do things.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Leviathan on February 06, 2009, 02:03:32 am
Okay everyone, back away slowly and keep smiling. He has a coffee mug and he knows how to use it.

It's worse than that.  I don't know how to use it, yet I have one and am intent on doing so!  Run for your lives  ;D

As for Guy's return to the belts, I suspect if he ever manages to extract the stick-shaped diamond (that was once an ordinary stick) from his ass, he'll get along just fine.  Unfortunately until the end of his first stay, he was still insisting on dictating terms to the poor, defenseless, downtrodden belters, heh.  Maybe it'll occur to him that he never chose the profession, the government stooges chose it for him based on some aptitude score or other.  Reminds me of some of the ways Russia would do things, actually.  Worked <sarcasm>just great</sarcasm> for them, heh.  After such a crushing defeat, though, people have two choices.  Start over and hope it doesn't follow you forever, or become a supervillain and show them all.  Show them all!
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: wdg3rd on February 07, 2009, 06:33:30 am
Okay everyone, back away slowly and keep smiling. He has a coffee mug and he knows how to use it.

It's worse than that.  I don't know how to use it, yet I have one and am intent on doing so!  Run for your lives  ;D

As for Guy's return to the belts, I suspect if he ever manages to extract the stick-shaped diamond (that was once an ordinary stick) from his ass, he'll get along just fine.  Unfortunately until the end of his first stay, he was still insisting on dictating terms to the poor, defenseless, downtrodden belters, heh.  Maybe it'll occur to him that he never chose the profession, the government stooges chose it for him based on some aptitude score or other.  Reminds me of some of the ways Russia would do things, actually.  Worked <sarcasm>just great</sarcasm> for them, heh.  After such a crushing defeat, though, people have two choices.  Start over and hope it doesn't follow you forever, or become a supervillain and show them all.  Show them all!

Lev, a lot of us never "chose" our "professions".  Presently I'm a clerk.  In the past I was the second-best tech support guy Tandy ever had for their Xenix systems, then I did tech support and sysadmin for too damned many places.   I just wanted to be a writer (but it's a skill I really don't have, though I got top grades for my papers from a professor I respect).  My present goal is to be a restaurateur, since I'm the best chili chef in the libertarian end of the political spectrum.  (And there is no chili worth eating presently being served north of Massachusetts).  (Probable nothing worth calling chili in Mass. either, but I tend to go around the place, it's gone downhill since the 1770s [Mom's family moved up to New Hampshire in the 1690s, but Mom joined the army and wound up in Los Angeles]).

I wanted to be an astronaut.  I want to abolish NASA so I can actually get past orbit. (it's not always personal failings that cause failures, but if you're a bureaucrat or politician you can pass them on to somebody who takes failings personally).

Oh crap.  I think I came up with a new addition to the long series of Murphy's laws.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Leviathan on February 08, 2009, 07:44:20 am
Pfft, somebody carrying a gun didn't come to your place, yank you out, and force you to be a clerk.  Neither a tech support guy or sysadmin.  Do recall Guy's talk about how he became a government accountant (http://www.bigheadpress.com/eft?page=92), however.  His family farm was taken from him, collectivised, and he was put into accounting school.  No choice.  Do it or suffer.  Do it or else.  After all, it's the most efficient way to run things.  Take people and make them do whatever is best for society to have them be doing!  It's for the good of the many!

And do recall that this was essentially how Russia made its engineers, biologists, doctors.  The state selected those who were deemed most apt for it, pushed them through schooling, and then sat them in front of a desk/etc. to do their job without ever asking if they're more interested in doing some other field.
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 08, 2009, 11:46:48 am
Do recall Guy's talk about how he became a government accountant (http://www.bigheadpress.com/eft?page=92), however.  His family farm was taken from him, collectivised, and he was put into accounting school.  No choice.  Do it or suffer.  Do it or else.  After all, it's the most efficient way to run things.  Take people and make them do whatever is best for society to have them be doing!  It's for the good of the many!

EFT is adapted from short stories I write. Due to the nature of the graphic medium, we have to drop a lot of exposition from the strip. So here is some insight into the back story. While Guy was railroaded into accounting courses by the UW educational system, he actually rather likes accounting and takes pride in doing his job well. The tragedy is that his boyhood dreams were taken from him... or at least repressed.

(I think I will monkey around with the fonts a bit more. Bold looks nice and is easier for my old eyes to read. Please bear with me as I get it out of my system.)
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: Rocketman on February 08, 2009, 01:45:39 pm
Bold (white) is better for my old eyes as well Sandy.  On occasion what a young person is "assigned" to at a young age is what a person is generally interested in and it works out well that he has gone into that profession.  Having said that it is also true that many times a person finds out that the job that has been picked for him / her sucks but now their stuck with it.  I didn't get the job originally that I wanted either which was a aerospace designer.  (long long story on that) I took aviation classes to get my ATP multiengine instrument license from the FAA but ran out of money before I could finish.  I started a BS in Business but found out that it just wasn't challenging enough for me.  I ended up with a AS degree in industrial machine design (mechanical drafting) and ended up getting on at Pratt and Whitney down in W. Palm Beach Florida.  With a natural affinity to aviation I found it to be a good fit and worked my way up by taking additional classes at night and working during the day.  Robotics, Electrical courses, Computer design training on autocad and unigraphics and so on.  So in conclusion, I think it's what you have that you put to use rather than what your assigned to that makes the difference in life.  :D
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: cyberbard on February 10, 2009, 09:50:06 am
EFT is adapted from short stories I write. Due to the nature of the graphic medium, we have to drop a lot of exposition from the strip. So here is some insight into the back story. While Guy was railroaded into accounting courses by the UW educational system, he actually rather likes accounting and takes pride in doing his job well. The tragedy is that his boyhood dreams were taken from him... or at least repressed.

If he defects to Ceres, he'll get another chance at those dreams!  Or at least something in the spirit of them.

But then that's probably the whole point of the story.
 :D
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: SandySandfort on February 10, 2009, 10:07:35 am
EFT is adapted from short stories I write. Due to the nature of the graphic medium, we have to drop a lot of exposition from the strip. So here is some insight into the back story. While Guy was railroaded into accounting courses by the UW educational system, he actually rather likes accounting and takes pride in doing his job well. The tragedy is that his boyhood dreams were taken from him... or at least repressed.

If he defects to Ceres, he'll get another chance at those dreams!  Or at least something in the spirit of them.

But then that's probably the whole point of the story.
 :D

Maybe one point.  ;)
Title: Re: Grooooaaaan...
Post by: quadibloc on July 07, 2011, 03:27:58 pm
I think I will monkey around with the fonts a bit more. Bold looks nice and is easier for my old eyes to read. Please bear with me as I get it out of my system.)
Speaking of fonts, which one do you use for the lettering for the comic? I can't seem to find it in the Comicraft, Blambot, or Canada Type catalogs... and I've found one other comic (Nikki Sprite) that also uses it.

... never mind. I looked a bit harder, and have found it. From Blambot: Lint McCree.