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Title: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Propertarian02 on November 08, 2007, 11:14:09 am
OK, I can see the Pink Nazis  (though why there are National Socialists in the Texas timeline, I don't understand), Why is there a Nazi in S& M costume going into combat? Is he supposed to strike laughter into the hearts of Men?  Or is he a closet Federalist, using this to blend in? Explain, please.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: John DeWitt on November 08, 2007, 02:55:33 pm
You beat me to it.

 ??? WTF?  Where'd he come from?
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: klblack on November 08, 2007, 07:44:41 pm
I guess this is the Sturm und Drag queen....
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Rocketman on November 08, 2007, 10:39:27 pm
What I don't understand is why the S & M nazi and his two pals still has their mauser rifles?  Appearently, the female students of Grok let them down easy (I wouldn't have) since they didn't have parachutes on.  I mean considering the way he's dressed (?) it's obvious that embarrassing him by making him naked isn't going to work.  After slugging Amber Rose like that I wouldn't have hesitated a second before shooting him.   >:(
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: enemyofthestate on November 09, 2007, 09:58:26 am
What I don't understand is why the S & M nazi and his two pals still has their mauser rifles?  Appearently, the female students of Grok let them down easy (I wouldn't have) since they didn't have parachutes on.  I mean considering the way he's dressed (?) it's obvious that embarrassing him by making him naked isn't going to work.  After slugging Amber Rose like that I wouldn't have hesitated a second before shooting him.   >:(

I really don't see enough information about the girls and their culture to put their behavior in context.  Their niceness toward the Nazis and the Gurkhas earlier could just be basic human decency and aversion to murder combined with the fact they are hundreds of years removed from the conflicts of "modern" day Texas.  In the 20th Century the Nazis may be the personification of evil but a few hundred year and several light year away in spacetime they maybe no scarier than witches are to us.

Also consider that their weapons -- at least when operating collectively -- are capable of disarming an opponent without killing.  This would have certainly some effect on the cultural tolerance toward killing in self defense and the mores the girls absorbed growning up.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: trainer on November 10, 2007, 12:53:57 am
They had parachutes.  Look behind them on the ground.

As for Nazis in drag, I have no clue.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Propertarian02 on November 10, 2007, 12:09:48 pm
They had parachutes.  Look behind them on the ground.

As for Nazis in drag, I have no clue.

Maybe the parachutes just dragged him too far...?
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Rocketman on November 10, 2007, 08:41:11 pm
enemyofthestate:
     While your theory concerning a cultural adversion is certainly plausable, I believe it's more likely that being from 300 years in the future that the ladies are more concerned that their actions will change history and that's the real reason that they are refraining from using deadly force.  8)
Trainer:
     After looking again at the panel I think your right concerning the chutes.  They sure got out of the harnesses quickly didn't they?
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Steffan on November 10, 2007, 11:46:34 pm
Gotta admit, that was a nice shot by Horace.  I didn't really expect that -- I guess I was influenced by all the whining and complaining he has done in just about every scene he's appeared in.   ::)

I guess he remembered that he really is from Texas.   ;D
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: trainer on November 11, 2007, 07:57:40 pm
I like how Ness is always the one to get 'bonked'.  He reminds me of the Tracey Walter character in Conan the Destroyer.

Maybe Horace will get some respect from Bierce now.

What happened to the tame Nazis?  We still haven't found out.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Zen Redneck on November 12, 2007, 02:37:04 pm
OK, I can see the Pink Nazis  (though why there are National Socialists in the Texas timeline, I don't understand), Why is there a Nazi in S& M costume going into combat? Is he supposed to strike laughter into the hearts of Men?  Or is he a closet Federalist, using this to blend in? Explain, please.

The thinking was that the POD in Texas had minimal effect in Europe.  And WWI happened much as in OTL, with the same total screwing over of the Central Powers after the war, causing the same reaction.  Biggest difference, of course, is that Hitler immigrated to Texas.  But that left just about everybody else, and Ernst Röhm became Führer, giving the National Socialists a more artsy, sensitive ambience.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Mr. Mxyzptlk on November 12, 2007, 06:39:50 pm
Ok, I can deal with the Nazis decision to switch to more trendy colors, after all their choice of dull greys and browns may have contributed to their loosing in our timeline.  However I just can't see the troops following someone wearing something from Mistress Mandy's House of Leather...

Come on folks, we already KNOW they are the bad guys.  60 plus years of bad WWII movies have made that abundantly clear.  Why make them into comical badguys to boot?
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: enemyofthestate on November 12, 2007, 10:20:58 pm
enemyofthestate:
     While your theory concerning a cultural adversion is certainly plausable, I believe it's more likely that being from 300 years in the future that the ladies are more concerned that their actions will change history and that's the real reason that they are refraining from using deadly force.  8)
That's possible but they've already changed history -- or maybe they're already embeded in it. 
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Scott on November 12, 2007, 11:11:50 pm
The Nazi officer in the leatherboy suit is the same Reginald Clive Leslie Montmorency, Fifth Earl of Flaversham, who we saw in President Disney's office back in Chapter 2.

As Rex pointed out, in this history, the Nazis were led by Ernst Rhoem, who was a known homosexual. And after Berlin got nuked, various factions of the British Royalty and Peerage ended up in charge. There have long been stories about the -- unusual quirks of this gang, and we decided to take this joke to its logical conclusion.

Remember, people, this is a comedy.

Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: John DeWitt on November 13, 2007, 09:56:52 am
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Remember, people, this is a comedy.

Hm.  Well, maybe it'll be funnier when we can read the whole thing between covers.  Right now it just seemed damned incongruous in a story that already has too many subplots and in-jokes to keep track of two pages at a time.

Not that I'm not still reading, you understand.  At least that endless trek across the prairie is done with.

I hope.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Mr. Mxyzptlk on November 13, 2007, 08:57:12 pm
As Rex pointed out, in this history, the Nazis were led by Ernst Rhoem, who was a known homosexual.

So logically they redeisgned the offiers battle dress uniform to look like something out of Mistress Mandys worst nightmare...
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: enemyofthestate on November 13, 2007, 09:05:34 pm
As Rex pointed out, in this history, the Nazis were led by Ernst Rhoem, who was a known homosexual.

So logically they redeisgned the offiers battle dress uniform to look like something out of Mistress Mandys worst nightmare...

Maybe he was "entertaining" when he was called up and didn't have time to change.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Mr. Mxyzptlk on November 13, 2007, 10:53:49 pm
Maybe he was "entertaining" when he was called up and didn't have time to change.

Must... Drink... Vodka...

Must... Drink.. Image... Out.. Of... My brain!

SPOCK!!!
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Rocketman on November 14, 2007, 06:17:02 pm
I know the feeling.  Although I didn't see the movie "Wild Hogs" with Tim Allen I did see on TV a preview of it (several times)  Imagine a fat, ugly man in his fifties with a t-shirt that was meant to be worn by someone sixty pounds lighter and his beer belly hanging out on a stage singing "Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?"  He ruined that song for me.  Everytime I hear it on the radio instead of thinking of the Pussycat dolls, I get that image in my head.  :P Yeccccchhhhhh!!!!!
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: trainer on November 15, 2007, 08:09:11 am
I see one of the original young nazis has made an appearance, in an hawaii shirt of all things.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Steffan on November 17, 2007, 12:37:39 am
I see one of the original young nazis has made an appearance, in an hawaii shirt of all things.

Check back a couple of chapters or so.  Several of them traded their pink and gray tunics for Hawaiian shirts.   8)

If Walt used the airship for family and employee excursions, it'd stand to reason that there'd be a supply of casual clothing onboard.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: archy on November 20, 2007, 10:38:15 am
Ok, I can deal with the Nazis decision to switch to more trendy colors, after all their choice of dull greys and browns may have contributed to their loosing in our timeline.  However I just can't see the troops following someone wearing something from Mistress Mandy's House of Leather...

Come on folks, we already KNOW they are the bad guys.  60 plus years of bad WWII movies have made that abundantly clear.  Why make them into comical badguys to boot?

Ernst Julius Röhm and his SA [Storm Detatchment] troopies did indeed demonstrate the darker tendencies of the German butch homosexual crowd, which was part of Hitler's excuse for the SA purge known in the US as *The night of the long knives* but to Germans as *Operation Hummingbird.* Not only was Röhm's force of tough-guy nances, tavern brawlers and veterans beginning to overshadow Himmler's SS, but  Röhm had thoughts of the SA replacing the German Army itself, a not-inconceivable idea considering the Versailles Treaty limitation on the size of the German Army to a force of but 100,000 men,  membership in the SA numbering a high of 2.9 million in August 1934, then dropping to 1.2 million in April 1938 following Röhm's purge and execution.

In January 1934, Röhm presented Blomberg with a memorandum demanding that SA should replace the army as the nation's ground forces, and that the Reichswehr become a training adjunct to the SA. President Paul von Hindenburg would not stand for this, and threatened to impose martial law if Hitler did not act against Röhm. And Himmler convinced Hitler that Röhm had thoughts of replacing Hitler as well, and that was pretty well that.

If in the RT world/time, the SA thrived, they might well have been the dominant power following Hitler's abdication and resettlement in Texas. Which itself had some minimal but real teleological links to events in this sometimes dreary world/time of ours....

SA background:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

Night of the Long Knives: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

More Butch Nazi leadership info: http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Mr. Mxyzptlk on November 21, 2007, 03:05:49 pm
If in the RT world/time, the SA thrived, they might well have been the dominant power following Hitler's abdication and resettlement in Texas. Which itself had some minimal but real teleological links to events in this sometimes dreary world/time of ours....

Which still doesn't explain why their battle dress uniforms featured spike heel boots...

Americans love the mythology of the cowboys but our soldiers wear BDUs instead of leather vests and cowboy boots.  Militaries, especially successful ones, worry about practicality, not fashion.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Steffan on November 21, 2007, 09:33:14 pm
If in the RT world/time, the SA thrived, they might well have been the dominant power following Hitler's abdication and resettlement in Texas. Which itself had some minimal but real teleological links to events in this sometimes dreary world/time of ours....

Which still doesn't explain why their battle dress uniforms featured spike heel boots...

Americans love the mythology of the cowboys but our soldiers wear BDUs instead of leather vests and cowboy boots.  Militaries, especially successful ones, worry about practicality, not fashion.

Looking at the panels in question, it appears that the Nazis in "normal" uniforms are wearing standard issue jackboots.  Flat heels -- infantry had hobnails in the soles to reduce wear and to give them some traction.  I used to have a pair of those, myself. 

Clive's thigh-highs are a bit much -- he's overdoing the leatherboy image, but it's been noted in this thread that some of the Third Reich's current leadership are, um, quirky.   ;D   Quirky or not, however, his boots also appear to have flat heels. 

Jumping out of a perfectly good airplane is not something that a rational person does.  Doing so wearing spike heels would be even less rational.   :P
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Rocketman on November 22, 2007, 11:46:53 am
Steffen:
     Don't forget that every comic book heroine back in the 1960's and 70's it seems had costumes also had 5 or 6 inch heels.  In fact if I remember correctly a comic book called the "New Warriors" had a supervilliainess who's alter ego was a pole dancing stripper!  ;D
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: enemyofthestate on November 23, 2007, 12:54:41 am
Steffen:
     Don't forget that every comic book heroine back in the 1960's and 70's it seems had costumes also had 5 or 6 inch heels.  In fact if I remember correctly a comic book called the "New Warriors" had a supervilliainess who's alter ego was a pole dancing stripper!  ;D
In one of the trailers I saw for the new Beowulf movie I noticed Angelina Jolie (Grendel's mother) was wearing high heels.  Had to explan later to my wife why I was laughing so hard.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Steffan on November 24, 2007, 12:22:29 am
Steffen:
     Don't forget that every comic book heroine back in the 1960's and 70's it seems had costumes also had 5 or 6 inch heels.  In fact if I remember correctly a comic book called the "New Warriors" had a supervilliainess who's alter ego was a pole dancing stripper!  ;D

True.  I remember Batgirl and Wonder Woman quite well.  And, of course, the Sailor Senshi also wear high heels.  IIRC, Sailor Venus wore mary janes and Sailor Mars wore the kind of pumps that women invariably take off once they've arrived at work.   ;D

And Zatanna wore fishnet stockings and an abbreviated tuxedo.  The only major female superhero who didn't wear heels, from what I remember, was Sue Richards/Invisible Girl of the Fantastic Four. 
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: archy on November 27, 2007, 02:56:18 pm
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Which still doesn't explain why their battle dress uniforms featured spike heel boots...

Americans love the mythology of the cowboys but our soldiers wear BDUs instead of leather vests and cowboy boots.  Militaries, especially successful ones, worry about practicality, not fashion.

Clearly you've never been around Stetson-wearing AirCav aircrew or the Special Forces advisors in the 1960s who wore full cowboy Buscadero gunbelts with single-action sixguns in 'em. Superior officers and MPs who enforce uniform regulations prohibiting such things were curiously absent in those combat zones.

Other armies have their own problems, including the incredibly casual Israeli tank crews and the Rhodesians who sometimes fought their war in T-shirts, shorts and running shoes and were no less effective for it. And Texans gave us the term *Maverick* for one who had little concern for silly regulations and customs.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Zen Redneck on November 27, 2007, 04:35:57 pm
Not to mention Kekko Kamen....
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Mr. Mxyzptlk on November 28, 2007, 04:51:23 pm
Clearly you've never been around Stetson-wearing AirCav aircrew or the Special Forces advisors in the 1960s who wore full cowboy Buscadero gunbelts with single-action sixguns in 'em.

A leather gun belt is a tad different than a leather garter belt...

Also uniform alterations for practical purposes are not the same as completely impractical uniforms worn so your officers stand out and are mocked by their enemies...

But hey, its your book.  Do as thou wilt.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: jrl on December 01, 2007, 11:58:39 am
Y'know, it seems to me the S&M clad loony is appropriately dressed to be a NAZI version of a political officer!

In our time line, I don't think the NAZIs had political officers the way the Red Army did, but given the duties of a political officer, and the proclivities of the NAZI leadership in the RT time line. . .
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: archy on December 06, 2007, 01:07:00 pm


In our time line, I don't think the NAZIs had political officers the way the Red Army did, but given the duties of a political officer, and the proclivities of the NAZI leadership in the RT time line. . .

Sort of. But a pal of mine who was pretty hard core was distressed to find he'd been assigned as a driver/assistant to a chaplain with the 2nd Infantry Division in South Korea, figuring the detail was a waste of his infantry/airborne/ranger talents. Until he was gently informed by the intelligence officer who'd so tasked him that the North Koreans had no direct equivalent of *chaplains* and considered them political officers, and accordingly had designated them as targets for espionage recruitment, assassination, and *special interrogation* if they fell into KPA/enemy hands.

The German Wehrmacht was itself infiltrated by agents and informants of the Abwehrmilitary intelligence, the RSHA [German Reich's Security Head Office, approximately like our FBI's counterintelligence operations] and the GeStaPo, the Secret State's Police. And after the assassination of RHSA boss Heinrich Heydrich in Prague on 27 May 1942 and the later try on Hitler on 20 July 1944, the snoopers and informers no doubt intensified.

In the RT timeline, after the NSDAP spooks had killed off Angela Rabaul and driven Hitler out of Germany to Texas, and the following SA-versus-SS bloodletting ensued, it would have no doubt come much sooner. And such units seem to draw wierdos with oddball personal proclivities like a magnet and not just in Germany, pink-trimmed  Nazis [actually the ribbon colour for german tank units and their patches] not withstanding.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: wdg3rd on December 08, 2007, 10:15:59 am
Not to mention Kekko Kamen....

Ah, yes.  Lovely manga.  When I was TDY to Okinawa back in '77, I acquired the first two pocket books of it.  (Along with several more cubic feet of manga).  Then a few years back I found the two videotapes at Suncoast (in Japanese with subtitles).  Then a couple of years back the DVD was released, with choice of soundtrack languages.

I know there were a bunch more books and videos released in Japan, including some live-action stuff, but never seen it around here and haven't been back across the Pacific since that one TDY.

Well a quick tab over to an Amazon search and it seems there are a few more items available.  And me presently a pauper.
Title: Re: Nazi in S&M Gear? Give us a break!
Post by: Scott on December 25, 2007, 05:52:20 pm
Leave us not forget that the "Third-and-a-half Reich," as it is sometimes called, has been led from London since Berlin got nuked by the IRA. The leatherboy officer is not some dissolute Prussian or Bavarian, he is  Obergruppenfuhrer Reginald Clive Leslie Montmorency, Fifth Earl of Flaversham. Previously seen wearing the pink uniform in President Disney's office, way back in Chapter 2.

In other words, a British Peer, who is/was pretty much in charge of the Reich's mission to California, so he could dress up as he damn well pleased.