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Title: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: DrakBibliophile on December 30, 2019, 01:37:04 pm
https://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=2038

It should be easy for him to show that he wasn't working on the warning sat when his security codes were used but questions about who got his security codes very likely will cause him trouble.  :(
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: customdesigned on January 01, 2020, 09:44:36 am
He should be in *very* big trouble.  Even though he wasn't an intentional traitor, it was his responsibility, and I got the impression that "visitors" were not officially allowed.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: DrakBibliophile on January 01, 2020, 11:40:24 am
I got the impression that the thief got the codes in his home.

So the error might be "taking the codes" home.

IE She didn't get the codes from his "work-place".

But yes, he's going to be in trouble for not "safe guarding" those codes.


He should be in *very* big trouble.  Even though he wasn't an intentional traitor, it was his responsibility, and I got the impression that "visitors" were not officially allowed.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: lurkergao on January 02, 2020, 03:37:50 pm
If court rooms were legal equations he would be fine. He had no knowledge his ex was a foreign asset. He was robbed. He didnt know his codes had been pilfered and provided her no assistance knowingly. I'm assuming he followed mandated security protocols. Thing is those security protocols were designed badly, otherwise this wouldnt have happened. If your entire defense network can be compromised by one engineer having a sleep over you have a badly designed defense strategy. Realistically though Stern is fucked. Court rooms arent math equations they are decided by people and the people need a scapegoat. They could go after the management that approved this system. But in any organization i've ever worked in they go after the engi that was most adjacent to ground zero. I do find it interesting that the general has been able to piece this together so quickly given what they are dealing with. Hint hint maybe the general had prior knowledge.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: DrakBibliophile on January 02, 2020, 05:26:24 pm
Minor nit, Alex Stern is being "chewed out" by a Coronel Glass (Colonel Glass) not by a General.  ;)

If court rooms were legal equations he would be fine. He had no knowledge his ex was a foreign asset. He was robbed. He didnt know his codes had been pilfered and provided her no assistance knowingly. I'm assuming he followed mandated security protocols. Thing is those security protocols were designed badly, otherwise this wouldnt have happened. If your entire defense network can be compromised by one engineer having a sleep over you have a badly designed defense strategy. Realistically though Stern is fucked. Court rooms arent math equations they are decided by people and the people need a scapegoat. They could go after the management that approved this system. But in any organization i've ever worked in they go after the engi that was most adjacent to ground zero. I do find it interesting that the general has been able to piece this together so quickly given what they are dealing with. Hint hint maybe the general had prior knowledge.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: DrakBibliophile on January 02, 2020, 05:42:35 pm
Follow up.

I don't see the problem concerning "how fast" Alex Stern is getting on the Hot Seat.

It's going to be obvious what direction the impactor had to follow and computer "records" are likely going to show which Sat should have detected it.

We're talking about a High Tech society where computers (including AIs) are advanced enough to spot things like this fairly quickly.

And with a disaster of this size, the Powers That Be will want answers fast and this organization will be put on the spot very quickly.

And yes, the organization will want answers and might want to use poor Alex as a scapegoat.

Of course, the Colonel was likely told to "find answers Yesterday".  :)

If court rooms were legal equations he would be fine. He had no knowledge his ex was a foreign asset. He was robbed. He didnt know his codes had been pilfered and provided her no assistance knowingly. I'm assuming he followed mandated security protocols. Thing is those security protocols were designed badly, otherwise this wouldnt have happened. If your entire defense network can be compromised by one engineer having a sleep over you have a badly designed defense strategy. Realistically though Stern is fucked. Court rooms arent math equations they are decided by people and the people need a scapegoat. They could go after the management that approved this system. But in any organization i've ever worked in they go after the engi that was most adjacent to ground zero. I do find it interesting that the general has been able to piece this together so quickly given what they are dealing with. Hint hint maybe the general had prior knowledge.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: UncleRice on January 03, 2020, 09:21:37 am
Alex should probably get a little liability here, but he should not be blamed for the terrible security involved. Here is what I saw:

1: All regular maintenance should be scheduled, so that if anyone, authorized or not, approaches the beacon outside of the scheduled maintenance, security should be alerted and they need to be looking through some cameras.

2: Using current year technology, facial recognition cameras operating in the visible light range, the terahertz range, and about 800 megahertz, could be staring at anyone approaching at any time and alert security if the system doesn't recognize who is approaching. Convert this to QV tech, and it works even better.

3: Multiple RFID chips could be embedded in his work uniform for further identification.

4: When the person finally puts in the codes, whether they are the right ones or not, they should need to talk to and get approval from 3 security people if the visit is outside regular scheduled maintenance.

5: The
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: UncleRice on March 11, 2020, 05:07:49 am
Alex is definitely not helping himself here. Whatever he is being blackmailed with is small potatoes to what he is being accused of here.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: lurkergao on March 11, 2020, 05:13:38 am
I think its mostly that he doesnt know she stole the codes. He would turn her in a second if he had our perspective. But sitting in the hotseat he only has questions, fear and anxiety. A brainscan if such a thing exists would absove him. I wonder if he can volunteer  that as a defense.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Skull the Troll on March 11, 2020, 07:27:11 pm
My question is WTF is something of this importance doing being covered by a simple password??? If I was running it it would be a two key system similar to a nuclear silo. At the very least I'd have two-factor authorization.... Uncle Rice has good ideas above. Good old fashioned time lock.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: UncleRice on March 12, 2020, 12:04:36 pm
If I have the characters correct, Alex is the one being blackmailed by his girlfriend. People who engage in blackmail are prone to other malevolent behavior. Just as Johnny Depp recorded Amber Heard, Alex should be recording his interactions with his blackmailer. At this point he has nothing to loose either way from making his own accusations toward her regardless of whether he recorded anything.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: lurkergao on March 13, 2020, 01:47:15 am
he's going to kill himself.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Skull the Troll on March 13, 2020, 08:12:35 am
he's going to kill himself.

It would improve the gene-pool. This guy is making the town idiot embarrassed.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on March 13, 2020, 09:59:27 am
Implied from page=2032, Zondra has left the city so no chance to record her.

Maybe the bank account number could be used to trace Zondra, but If she was smart, she should have drained the account before she left the city. She should have also arranged to "meet" Alex in the targeted sphere, if she knew which one it was.

Of course it's entirely possible that Zondra has been left in the dark about the reason for her mission. Maybe the missle missed, and it was suppose to hit Alyss' former home sphere directly? The target very much could have been Alyss, and the aggressors acted on old information. 

I assume there aren't any customs, but maybe there is someway to track people who come and go to the city? You would think that wouldn't exist, but then again we were left with the impression that jails didn't exist here either.

Maybe Relógio Céu (Sky Clock) is a military organization with it's own extralegal justice system?


Just as Johnny Depp recorded Amber Heard, Alex should be recording his interactions with his blackmailer. At this point he has nothing to loose either way from making his own accusations toward her regardless of whether he recorded anything.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on July 20, 2020, 06:08:48 pm
...but then again we were left with the impression that jails didn't exist here either.

"ad-hoc" Jails explained in today's (page=2121) strip.

Easiest thing might be to just kill Alex Stern, but I guess she's going to try to convince him to escape instead. That makes Alex look like an agent of a foreign government.

Maybe the easiest thing to do is to stun Alex and do a fireman's carry to the Murphy Drive point? Lower gravity + genetic enhancements FTW.

(A warning is teling me this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days. I hope no one minds I bumped the thread now that we're back to the Alex arc.)
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: customdesigned on July 21, 2020, 09:30:19 am
"No jails or prisons" - again like the Law of Moses.  All offenses were met with either restitution (pay back 4 times what you stole) or death.  If unable to make restitution, you become a slave (unpaid servant) for up to 6 years (until sabbath year).  However, with the advent of taxes to support the monarchy under King Saul, the sabbath year was abandoned and slaves became permanent.

The lesson of Judges was that the system decayed into monarchy.  You had judges becoming more and more powerful, e.g. Gideon with 70 sons all mounted on donkeys/asses.  That took a lot of wealth to support that many wives and the 1200BC equivalent of 70 sports cars.  It reminds me of the mayor of Whoville (Dr. Suess) with 99 children.  (Or maybe they were mostly adopted...)

The threat of a statist entity attacking Bubbleopolis is what led to King Saul.  Will we see Oresme become the first Queen?  Or just a powerful judge like Gideon?  Will the Bubble People say, "We want a King to be like other star systems!"
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on July 22, 2020, 12:31:17 am
(page=2122) Since she's going to try to convince him to leave, (page=2122) let's hope Alex is smart enough to q-wave message for reinforcements while delaying Zondra as long as possible.

Cast a larger Oresme Shield so they can't Murphy-away, then send in reinforcements.


Easiest thing might be to just kill Alex Stern, but I guess she's going to try to convince him to escape instead. That makes Alex look like an agent of a foreign government.

Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: customdesigned on July 22, 2020, 09:17:20 am
(page=2122) Since she's going to try to convince him to leave, (page=2122) let's hope Alex is smart enough to q-wave message for reinforcements while delaying Zondra as long as possible.

I wouldn't bet on Alex being smart if I were you ...  He seems like the trusting soul, but without the spiritual insight to trust the right people.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on July 22, 2020, 09:44:07 am

I wouldn't bet on Alex being smart if I were you ...  He seems like the trusting soul, but without the spiritual insight to trust the right people.

page=2068 on the other hand, he's had plenty of time to decide how to react to various scenarios.
I guess I'm rooting for a fictional character here.

>Stern: And to think I joined Relógio Céu so that my family and friends would be proud of me.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: lurkergao on July 24, 2020, 01:45:07 pm
*Warhammer character voice* Apolo-Soyuz you are a master necromancer (of forum threads). It's really nice of the villains to give Alex this chance to exonerate himself. Presumeably this cell is being recorded. And he made the decision to stay put which would be difficult in a hopeless situation like this.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: customdesigned on July 26, 2020, 06:06:00 pm
Presumeably this cell is being recorded. And he made the decision to stay put which would be difficult in a hopeless situation like this.

How did the 24x7 surveillance work out with Jeffrey Epstein? 
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on July 26, 2020, 10:10:37 pm

How did the 24x7 surveillance work out with Jeffrey Epstein?

2 cameras "malfunctioned" while the 2 guards who were suppose to make regular checks claim to have fell asleep, and other footage not specifically pointed at epstein was "accidentally" deleted. 
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: lurkergao on July 27, 2020, 11:32:39 am
Well in the epstein case it seems pretty obvious the prison administration was helping. In this case she's on her own. I am a bit surprised this ad hoc prison would be this lax tho vibe verse still has organized crime for instance. You cant sue away their assets if they dont officially own something.



How did the 24x7 surveillance work out with Jeffrey Epstein?

2 cameras "malfunctioned" while the 2 guards who were suppose to make regular checks claim to have fell asleep, and other footage not specifically pointed at epstein was "accidentally" deleted. 
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Sean Roach on July 28, 2020, 05:55:21 pm
I think the idea is that they're out of practice, in a sense, and don't remember how to jail a person. And I wouldn't be so certain that they are plagued with openly "hidden" assets. Just because our deliberately loopholed system has legal structures that let you hide assets, (or safeguard them...I'm starting to muse on gun trusts in this election year,) doesn't mean this society does.

Although, I don't find relying upon individuals sticking together to freeze another entity out to be all that workable. Just how many Wal-Marts were able to attract customers in towns that, supposedly, didn't want them there? Although, I suppose in a surveillance state, it might be easier to keep people from breaking ranks and doing business with someone who has been declared unwelcome, but that's an entirely different set of problems.

That said, the charter of Bubbleopolis could well have obligations to refuse business to anyone who fails to live up to the decision handed down by third party arbitration, with the necessary teeth that failure to abide by the terms gets you evicted.

Well in the epstein case it seems pretty obvious the prison administration was helping. In this case she's on her own. I am a bit surprised this ad hoc prison would be this lax tho vibe verse still has organized crime for instance. You cant sue away their assets if they dont officially own something.



How did the 24x7 surveillance work out with Jeffrey Epstein?

2 cameras "malfunctioned" while the 2 guards who were suppose to make regular checks claim to have fell asleep, and other footage not specifically pointed at epstein was "accidentally" deleted. 
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: UncleRice on July 29, 2020, 10:16:07 am
Implied from page=2032, Zondra has left the city so no chance to record her.

Maybe the bank account number could be used to trace Zondra, but If she was smart, she should have drained the account before she left the city. She should have also arranged to "meet" Alex in the targeted sphere, if she knew which one it was.

Of course it's entirely possible that Zondra has been left in the dark about the reason for her mission. Maybe the missle missed, and it was suppose to hit Alyss' former home sphere directly? The target very much could have been Alyss, and the aggressors acted on old information. 

I assume there aren't any customs, but maybe there is someway to track people who come and go to the city? You would think that wouldn't exist, but then again we were left with the impression that jails didn't exist here either.

Maybe Relógio Céu (Sky Clock) is a military organization with it's own extralegal justice system?


Just as Johnny Depp recorded Amber Heard, Alex should be recording his interactions with his blackmailer. At this point he has nothing to loose either way from making his own accusations toward her regardless of whether he recorded anything.
Once the attack happened. it was too late. The recordings should have begun immediately following the first black mailing demands.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Skull the Troll on July 30, 2020, 09:12:16 am
Implied from page=2032, Zondra has left the city so no chance to record her.

Maybe the bank account number could be used to trace Zondra, but If she was smart, she should have drained the account before she left the city. She should have also arranged to "meet" Alex in the targeted sphere, if she knew which one it was.

Of course it's entirely possible that Zondra has been left in the dark about the reason for her mission. Maybe the missle missed, and it was suppose to hit Alyss' former home sphere directly? The target very much could have been Alyss, and the aggressors acted on old information. 

I assume there aren't any customs, but maybe there is someway to track people who come and go to the city? You would think that wouldn't exist, but then again we were left with the impression that jails didn't exist here either.

Maybe Relógio Céu (Sky Clock) is a military organization with it's own extralegal justice system?


Just as Johnny Depp recorded Amber Heard, Alex should be recording his interactions with his blackmailer. At this point he has nothing to loose either way from making his own accusations toward her regardless of whether he recorded anything.
Once the attack happened. it was too late. The recordings should have begun immediately following the first black mailing demands.

Agreed. I still don't understand why he isn't just spilling his guts. He's looking guilty for genocide in order to cover up blackmail? Stupid.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on September 11, 2020, 10:17:36 pm
Well today's strip (page=2144) ought to be the end of (at least this body of) Alex Stern.

If Zondra's got a ship and she's believably a million light-years from any large clump of matter, only the infinite improbably drive could save him.

Someone in Pandemonium might have a backup, Alex might have a backup somewhere. I'm sure any memories beyond his legitimate backups are worth excluding anyway.

The one thing left is that Zondra didn't say anything about the blackmail, Because Alex did tell Shotah.

Zondra could have missed that in her scans, only concentrating on what Alex said about her to  Relógio Céu
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Skull the Troll on September 12, 2020, 08:37:38 am
How much trouble was he in? None at all, and the worst kind possible. RIP dummy.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Redwood Elf on September 13, 2020, 11:03:24 am
How much trouble was he in? None at all, and the worst kind possible. RIP dummy.

Well at least he got his last act of defiance off.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: customdesigned on September 16, 2020, 10:29:35 am

If Zondra's got a ship and she's believably a million light-years from any large clump of matter, only the infinite improbably drive could save him.


Is it improbable enough that Zondra dropped him off where Hugo and Murphy are appearing?
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on September 16, 2020, 11:54:47 am
They're in a close-orbit binary system in galaxy SP-0001 (Andromeda, held by Shenhua Itochu since the Third Galactic War.) Wikipedia says it's .2 million light years across.

If we can believe Zondra is a million light-years from any large clump of matter, she must be between galaxies.  One is shown in the last panel of page=2144

Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Coyoty on September 17, 2020, 04:58:06 am
Is it improbable enough that Zondra dropped him off where Hugo and Murphy are appearing?

It would be infinitely improbable.
Title: Re: Now how much trouble will Alex Stern be in?
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on September 17, 2020, 02:27:02 pm
Upon further reflection, Scott never did clarify the range of the Murphy drive.

Early Murphy Drive prototypes displaced at a logarithmic scale, so in theory, if you were hopping large distances you might want to make a random stop between galaxies where you were fairly sure there wasn't any matter to accidentally pop inside, and then your next hop have you land 25 light years (more or less) away from say Bubbleopolis, so your next to last hop lands you just outside the first Oresme Shield, where you negotiate passage through, so you can hop into a (page=2055) not at all fancy place to park the Eva Jeanne.

Under the (fan) theory that "long" hops are less precise, and that multi-galactic scale distances are done doing a series of hops, there's a finite probability of running into Alex before he's entirely brain-dead, way out in the vast spaces between galaxies.

But to get that lucky you would probably need several Boston Harbor's worth of really strong and hot tea.

Is it improbable enough that Zondra dropped him off where Hugo and Murphy are appearing?

It would be infinitely improbable.

Stick his body into a large "save-it-bag", transfer the meatbot programming into a combat droid body back at Hugo and Murphy's Redoubt, and let him loose to endlessly search for Zondra.