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Apollo-Soyuz
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« on: March 19, 2012, 10:22:19 PM »

It looks like at least two other prisoners have the faraday cages on their head (and been in long enough to have had their hair grow back) I guess she got tossed in with the long-timers.

What keeps them from just taking the crown off and, I guess, making some phone calls? ("it's for your own safety" must have been put in there by Scott as a "dog whistle" to the anti-authority types ;-)

And did we just meet the beltape from page=138?

No implants for belt-apes? Or is that just something for people not of poor means?
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2012, 12:14:24 AM »

What keeps them from just taking the crown off and, I guess, making some phone calls? ("it's for your own safety" must have been put in there by Scott as a "dog whistle" to the anti-authority types ;-)

There are probably transmission detection - and possibly jamming - systems in place. In the latter case, it may indeed be for their safety, the jammers could set up damaging, even lethal, feed-back.
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2012, 12:48:25 AM »

I am surprised that they have long-timers.  Given what the technology can do for physical conditions, I would expect that forcibly adjusting mental attitudes would be easy.  Killing peoples minds would be much more acceptable than killing their bodies, because they would walk out smiling and be so nice to everybody afterwards.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2012, 03:40:17 AM »

Luna doesn't seem to be an oppressive totalitarian regime... it looks like it's just a society that has mediocrity as its key virtue - sort of like old-fashioned social democrat educational policies.
Longtimer prisoners (ok, a few months at least) fits that theme because, let's face it: long time prison terms are a bit of a cop-out. I see a reason for temporary placement, and for permanent storage. Not much for in-betweens.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 11:04:09 AM »

I had a feeling that the beltape teen wound have a role to play pretty soon.  I'm kind of looking forward to this relationship!
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 11:12:43 AM »

What stops the prisoners from taking off their Farraday Crowns is a special adhesive that deactivates only when an electrical signal of a certain frequency is transmitted to it.
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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2012, 01:35:43 PM »

What stops the prisoners from taking off their Farraday Crowns is a special adhesive that deactivates only when an electrical signal of a certain frequency is transmitted to it.

That's going to cause some hasty ingrown hair follicles.  Or does the adhesive also release a hormone putting follicles it is attached to in a dormant state?
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2012, 10:17:03 AM »

Something like that, yeah.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2012, 01:22:03 PM »

Something like that, yeah.

Seems to be enough biotech around to make that pretty much a no-brainer.  (And given the quality of Lunar police and prison personnel, a no-brainer would be called for).
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2012, 01:26:20 PM »

To me, I guess the point is that while she was framed and beaten by corrupt cops working for the enemy, here she is in a jail, helpless, and yet they let her deny them access to her implant to turn it off. So while the whole criminal justice system is still very unjust - Luna is apparently a society similar to today's modern industrial democracies, but worse than what some naive people like myself believe them to be - it still follows some rules, rather than being merely the tool of the forces seeking the unconscious scientist's secret.
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 04:57:21 AM »

To me, I guess the point is that while she was framed and beaten by corrupt cops working for the enemy, here she is in a jail, helpless, and yet they let her deny them access to her implant to turn it off. So while the whole criminal justice system is still very unjust - Luna is apparently a society similar to today's modern industrial democracies, but worse than what some naive people like myself believe them to be - it still follows some rules, rather than being merely the tool of the forces seeking the unconscious scientist's secret.
Well... if she won't hand over the keys, they can't access her system.
I don't know if what they'd need is a password or her mental/bionic command, but I think it's feasible that they will not get access without her cooperation, and that's what they asked for.
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 10:58:11 AM »

The truth, the truth, what is the truth?  SF is replete with examples of lie detectors (I kinda like H. Beam Pipers take on them in his Fuzzy stories).  However, current technology is moving closer to a working lie detector with devices like Real Time MRIs.  I would imagine that 500 years in the future such technology would be refined to a degree that it's evidence would be allowed in a courtroom.  Of course how implants would react to Magnetic Imaging fields is uncertain but again I would imagine that such difficulties could be over come.  One outcome of this could be  that Nicole inists on being verified with such a device in a courtroom  along with the two officers.  Also, do her implants act as recording devices and could their data be submitted as evidence?  It's pretty apparent she has no idea of what 'cheeze' is.  
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 04:11:23 PM »

I would imagine that 500 years in the future such technology would be refined to a degree that it's evidence would be allowed in a courtroom.

If a true or false statement could be verified in court the police would have some trouble puling an arrest like this one.
Also it would be funny to have a political campaign.

Even if such technology is possible, the Luna society that is presented in this story, would not have use for it, I think...

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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2012, 10:16:00 PM »

Soooo if Trog was in Nicole's place he would say Rando was  supplier for this "cheez" (grins evilly)
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2012, 11:14:33 PM »

Soooo if Trog was in Nicole's place he would say Rando was  supplier for this "cheez" (grins evilly)
When is Nicole going to figure out that Bust'emAndLie is not on the up and up?
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