Bearman45 on August 07, 2006, 05:14:16 am
If Hitler is in Texas, who was the inspiration and mouthpiece for the Nazis? ???

Zen Redneck on August 07, 2006, 09:04:40 am
« Last Edit: August 10, 2006, 01:07:40 am by Scott »

Scott on August 10, 2006, 01:12:01 am
If you read the Wikipedia article, you'll understand that the "gay Nazi" bit we're doing is not just a cheap gag, but a logical historical development resulting from the openly gay Röhm, with his Sturmabteilung, assuming leadership of the Nazi Party.

Space Patton! on September 30, 2006, 02:03:53 pm
I can see Rohm as an alternate Nazi leader (Fuehrer? Chancellor?), but I am kind of skeptical about him leading the Nazis to victory in this world. Rohm was a higher-ranking ex-officer than Hitler, true, but he was generally regarded as incompetent in military matters. Perhaps he and Goering (the "Drug addict") split the running of Germany up, with him running the political side and giving the more experienced Goering a free hand in military matters? Just a thought. Also, does the U.S.S.R exist in FST universe? I noticed a strip mentioning that the European War was still on going, but who are the Nazis fighting if not the Russians, as the British have been conquered by (and are now running!) the Reich?


On another note, thanks for letting me into the forum

Zen Redneck on September 30, 2006, 10:32:44 pm
Röhm is a bit of a stretch, agreed, and you're probably right that he relied more than Hitler did in OTL on advice from others.  He was also close to Gregor and Otto Strasser, and the whole Nazi movement was more socialist and less anti-semitic than in OTL. One factor that can be argued about is the fact that as a self-proclaimed homosexual, Röhm was able to inspire a bit of a fifth column in France and England, which helped his war effort.

And yes, there is a USSR, and as late as 1947 the Nazis occupy a lot of it, but are still fighting guerrilla partisan units all over the place.  The war is continuing that way only on the Eastern Front.  Of course, this has resulted in lots of Expats all over North America.

Redem on October 01, 2006, 12:29:21 am
Well considering that the Nazi killed thousand of homosexual in OTL

so those nazi are more mussolini like than real nazi, by that I mean they seek to oppress the mass but not to kill millions at the same time.

although pink and black clearly don't fit (and not really recommended for millitary uniform, mostly cause of camouflage issue)

Space Patton! on October 01, 2006, 01:41:34 am
True, pink doesn't camouflage well, but in OTL the Nazis military uniforms were dark grey (except for the white eastern front ones). Also, about the uniforms: is pink mostly used as a border on lapels, sleeves, hats, etc, or is the all-pink uniform of the Eighteenth Earl of Flaversham the norm? Also, how did Edward the 8th become Reichsfureher? I understand that Rohm and nearly all of the other high ranking Nazis have perished in the Atomic cataclysm of Berlin, but it strikes me as the most likely out come of that would be a descent into anarchy before the Soviets conquered all, not the Brits taking over. Speaking of the Russians, is the NKVD interested in Roswell? Perhaps a certain "Comrade Agent Alger Hiss" will make an appearance latter on. And, finally, who runs the U.S.S.R? Is Stalin still boss or Trotsky? (although that preacher at the Hitler-Riviera wedding looks awful familiar)

mattexian on November 14, 2006, 07:22:55 pm
Howdy all!

I'm new here, been reading R,T for the last few days, and I'm loving it! So far I'm in Ch. 3, which brings up something.  I mentioned thie story to my wife, including how there's a newly immigrated Bavarian painter who bears a striking resembelance to a certain corporal from OTL.  She responded with "I thought Hitler was Austrian by birth."  ...Um... Is this supposed to be one of those otherwise minor variations between OTL and that of R,T ,that makes the story more interesting without making it a ver batum transposition?

Matt in Tx

PS I see this has already been discussed some in the "Hitler's Daughter" thread.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2006, 11:39:38 am by mattexian »

Scott on November 19, 2006, 11:55:00 pm
The way I understand it, high-ranking NAZI officers have an all-pink or mostly-pink design for their dress uniforms. Field officers and soldiers have pink trim on mouse-grey uniforms.


GunsSaveLives on March 21, 2007, 01:29:55 am
If you read the Wikipedia article, you'll understand that the "gay Nazi" bit we're doing is not just a cheap gag, but a logical historical development resulting from the openly gay Röhm, with his Sturmabteilung, assuming leadership of the Nazi Party.

Reminds me of the "Aryan Thrust" that took over the space-based laser stations in Give Me Liberty, by Frank Miller and Dave Gibbons.
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Dr. No on April 17, 2007, 11:31:07 pm
I can see Rohm as an alternate Nazi leader (Fuehrer? Chancellor?), but I am kind of skeptical about him leading the Nazis to victory in this world.

History can diverge in a hurry with just one or two simple changes along the path. Who thinks there would be a Nazi party at all?

Imagine the railroad welfare gang and banks not getting their way. Civil war not turning out as it did here, one could well imagine expansion of the midwest and west came about via the Mississippi river and craft advancing along the Texas coast. More Russians moving into the west coast and traveling east. People moving west without having to pay the man at every turn.

If economic profits did not go to the eastern establishment, european and asian despot bankers working out of London, How could the engine of democracy be harnesed here by early 1900s  to loan ten billion dollars of paper credits for France and the Brits as happened through the graces of the Federal Reserve, while the German central bank did the same on their end. Strange that Paul Warburg was in the FRB, while his brother headed up the German central bank during WW1.

didn't see that in your high school history book?  I wonder why?

Which brings me to ask why would there be Nazis at all if WW1 didn't happen to deprive a people and shame them into fighting after a long period of hyperinflation and desatbilization leading right into the maw of WW2? 

How could our boys and girls fight unless we first were starved for a decade under virtual leaders Hoover and F'ing DR while the FRB set policy for people like Baruch to let contracts to begin building war materiel to hungry industrialists after a very lean period?

Remember this if you remember anything at all. Americans forgot where wealth came from, shortly after the funny money started coming into circulation after 1913. It all started coming from the phony top of the pyramid, dispensed from on high, while the real sources of wealth became secondary and largely invisible to the average man. The newspapers helped people look up to their leaders, Radio came along and played ball after the comunications act of 34 as well.

Take a deep breath, The Empire is about a century old.

Question: Where does wealth come from? 

There are many fountainheads in a free market, most not under man's direct control.

The wild hogs forgot how to dig for roots.  http://simmeringfrogs.com/outline/trapper.html

Rocketman on April 18, 2007, 11:06:24 am
"The wild hogs forgot how to dig for roots."   Yes, but I think they are going to start relearning how, and I think that it's going to be a VERY HARD LESSON.  >:(

archy on April 25, 2007, 05:31:10 pm
 Anton Drexler founded the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (German Workers' Party, abbreviated DAP) in 1919, together with Gottfried Feder, Dietrich Eckart and Karl Harrer. Among the party’s earlier members were Rudolf Hess, Hans Frank and Alfred Rosenberg, all later prominent in the Nazi regime.

Although officially called a political party, the DAP was a tiny group with less than 60 members. Nevertheless, it attracted the attention of the German authorities, who were suspicious of any organization that appeared to have subversive tendencies. A young corporal, Adolf Hitler, was sent by German army intelligence to investigate the DAP. While attending a party meeting, Hitler got involved in a heated political argument and made an impression on the other party members with his oratory skills. He was invited to join, and, after some deliberation, chose to accept.

Hitler became the 55th member of the DAP much after many had registered, but he later claimed to be member number seven (he was in fact the seventh executive member of the party’s central committee). Over the following months, the DAP continued to attract new members, while remaining too small to have any real significance in German politics. On 24 February 1920, the party added "National Socialist" to its official name, becoming the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), although Hitler earlier suggested the party to be renamed the "Social Revolutionary Party"; it was Rudolf Jung who persuaded Hitler to follow the NSDAP naming. Hitler became party chairman on 28 July 1921.

On the evening of Thursday, 08 November1923 and the early afternoon of Friday, 09 November 1923, Hitler, the popular World War I General Erich Ludendorff, and other leaders of the Kampfbund unsuccessfully tried to gain power in Munich, Bavaria, and Germany, usually referred to as the Beer Hall Putsch.

Had the Army not sent unemployed veteran Hitler to infiltrate the DAP, or had a leader with a more impressive war record [such as Hermann Wilhelm Göring, who joined the party in 1923] come along, Hitler might have been relagated to the sidelines.

There was also a suicide attempt during the postwar period when he was suffering from at least partial blindness. That outcome, too might have been very different.
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archy on May 01, 2007, 10:03:15 am
The way I understand it, high-ranking NAZI officers have an all-pink or mostly-pink design for their dress uniforms. Field officers and soldiers have pink trim on mouse-grey uniforms.



In this other, sometimes dreary, world of ours, pink was the service-arm colour [waffenfarbe] of the tank soldiers, used for collarboard and hat piping trim, among other things.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms4/SS-Panzer.jpg
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Dr. No on April 14, 2008, 08:50:38 pm
Anton Drexler founded the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (German Workers' Party, abbreviated DAP) in 1919, together with Gottfried Feder, Dietrich Eckart and Karl Harrer. Among the party’s earlier members were Rudolf Hess, Hans Frank and Alfred Rosenberg, all later prominent in the Nazi regime.

Although officially called a political party, the DAP was a tiny group with less than 60 members. Nevertheless, it attracted the attention of the German authorities, who were suspicious of any organization that appeared to have subversive tendencies. A young corporal, Adolf Hitler, was sent by German army intelligence to investigate the DAP. While attending a party meeting, Hitler got involved in a heated political argument and made an impression on the other party members with his oratory skills. He was invited to join, and, after some deliberation, chose to accept.

Hitler became the 55th member of the DAP much after many had registered, but he later claimed to be member number seven (he was in fact the seventh executive member of the party’s central committee). Over the following months, the DAP continued to attract new members, while remaining too small to have any real significance in German politics. On 24 February 1920, the party added "National Socialist" to its official name, becoming the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), although Hitler earlier suggested the party to be renamed the "Social Revolutionary Party"; it was Rudolf Jung who persuaded Hitler to follow the NSDAP naming. Hitler became party chairman on 28 July 1921.

On the evening of Thursday, 08 November1923 and the early afternoon of Friday, 09 November 1923, Hitler, the popular World War I General Erich Ludendorff, and other leaders of the Kampfbund unsuccessfully tried to gain power in Munich, Bavaria, and Germany, usually referred to as the Beer Hall Putsch.

Had the Army not sent unemployed veteran Hitler to infiltrate the DAP, or had a leader with a more impressive war record [such as Hermann Wilhelm Göring, who joined the party in 1923] come along, Hitler might have been relagated to the sidelines.

There was also a suicide attempt during the postwar period when he was suffering from at least partial blindness. That outcome, too might have been very different.

So, Hitler was an undercover agent?  A Tim McVeigh? 
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/okc_bombing_mcveigh_video_destroys_okc_official_story.htm