Bob G on March 09, 2018, 07:03:38 am
1768 - "I must admit, I started warming to Lorelei at that point."

The moment where she is taking a sip of a potentially adulterated drink.  I imagine a mango-citrus punch, especially if the consumer is unfamiliar with the taste, could mask any number of chemical oddities.
Whatsoever, for any cause, seeketh to take or give
  Power above or beyond the Laws, suffer it not to live.
Holy State, or Holy King, or Holy People's Will.
  Have no truck with the senseless thing, order the guns and kill.

The penultimate stanza of Rudyard Kipling's MacDonough's Song

DrakBibliophile on March 09, 2018, 12:58:29 pm
Especially since Lorelei could have take a counter to the drug before hand.  ;)

Still, I'm more interested in Lorelei having a four-teen year old male servant (his age is mentioned in the text version).

The text mentions that he's looking at Diana but that could just be the natural reaction of a four-teen year old male.  ;)

1768 - "I must admit, I started warming to Lorelei at that point."

The moment where she is taking a sip of a potentially adulterated drink.  I imagine a mango-citrus punch, especially if the consumer is unfamiliar with the taste, could mask any number of chemical oddities.
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Sean Roach on March 09, 2018, 01:47:53 pm
1768 - "I must admit, I started warming to Lorelei at that point."

The moment where she is taking a sip of a potentially adulterated drink.  I imagine a mango-citrus punch, especially if the consumer is unfamiliar with the taste, could mask any number of chemical oddities.

Probably more importantly, right after she mentions reservations about Alyss Rhodes' behavior.
I don't like her. I don't like her. She agrees with me? I've always liked her.

MirrorField on March 12, 2018, 02:11:17 am
"Uncanny ability to blend into background"

It's called "thermoptic camouflage"  ;D

UncleRice on March 12, 2018, 09:35:17 am
Knowing she has that level of camouflage does add a dimension to her ability and options for any opponent.
Stupid criminals put on a mask and rob people with a gun.
Smart criminals put on a suit, call themselves politicians, and rob people with writ of law.

UncleRice on March 14, 2018, 06:56:52 pm
Nuns. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say they are the bad guys.
Stupid criminals put on a mask and rob people with a gun.
Smart criminals put on a suit, call themselves politicians, and rob people with writ of law.

MirrorField on March 16, 2018, 02:29:02 am
Nuns. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say they are the bad guys.

Well, well, well. Looks like our old friends Children of Armageddon haven't given up, though one wonders what's their angle is. Keeping an eye on Nichole is a no-brainer, given his connection to Seamus. Still, that sort of fanaticism is something you simply cannot buy with money...

I suspect that our friends' surveillance of her estate extends to full panopticon and might even be a technological variation to the old "Billy Graham Rule" (or "Mike Pence Rule"). I'm also pretty certain that all the records are "authenticated" (ie. "provably unaltered beyond reasonable doubt").

Political-cultural dynamics of hiring servants in societies like Bubbleopolis is an interesting subject. Oh, I'm positive that they're well-paid positions, but the inherent cultural baggage and dynamics of "master-servant relationship" is a can of worms in a libertarian freedom-focused society. I could easily see other big-shots using non-sapient robots in all visible positions and having actual sapients "hidden behind the curtain", monitoring and coordinating the bots from some command center not in public view.

DrakBibliophile on March 16, 2018, 09:30:00 am
I suspect that the Children are dead as an organization.

Scott commented that they were on their last gasps when they exposed Seamus.

Since then, Seamus publicly became Hugo and went out to explore the galaxy.

It was hard enough to locate one man in the Solar System but would be even harder to locate him in the galaxy and beyond.

On top of that, Hugo is the "man who can not be killed" since he can be restored from his back-ups.

So IMO the organization likely died centuries ago.

Of course, one or two of the more fanatical might have gone the tin-man route.  ;)

As for Otto, we lack information on his actual status.

In Lorelei family, it might be the custom that younger members of the family act as servants when guests visit.  Lorelei herself may have "played the servant" when she was much younger.

Still, we'll have to wait and see about what Scott has in mind with Otto.  ;)

Nuns. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say they are the bad guys.

Well, well, well. Looks like our old friends Children of Armageddon haven't given up, though one wonders what's their angle is. Keeping an eye on Nichole is a no-brainer, given his connection to Seamus. Still, that sort of fanaticism is something you simply cannot buy with money...

I suspect that our friends' surveillance of her estate extends to full panopticon and might even be a technological variation to the old "Billy Graham Rule" (or "Mike Pence Rule"). I'm also pretty certain that all the records are "authenticated" (ie. "provably unaltered beyond reasonable doubt").

Political-cultural dynamics of hiring servants in societies like Bubbleopolis is an interesting subject. Oh, I'm positive that they're well-paid positions, but the inherent cultural baggage and dynamics of "master-servant relationship" is a can of worms in a libertarian freedom-focused society. I could easily see other big-shots using non-sapient robots in all visible positions and having actual sapients "hidden behind the curtain", monitoring and coordinating the bots from some command center not in public view.
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Skull the Troll on March 19, 2018, 12:08:45 pm
Hugo essentially got away with killing millions, I'm certain the author can justify an organization like the CoA not just folding up shop because he went tin man, no matter what the "laws" say. This is an group of people that existed for half a millennia. Its not hard to imagine Dr. Diamondi looking for a way to Hugo. She'd need to get close.

UncleRice on March 19, 2018, 04:44:08 pm
The Children of Armageddon, as introduced, aren't really relevant to the people and events involved, so I don't think they are part of the equation. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, was created by Emperor Constantine when he took a pacifist religion that was human government adverse and turned it into a Katamari Ball like tool of conquest. I imagine that whatever the Church has become it can't be good.
Stupid criminals put on a mask and rob people with a gun.
Smart criminals put on a suit, call themselves politicians, and rob people with writ of law.

Apollo-Soyuz on March 20, 2018, 12:11:39 pm
Dr. Diamondi is presumed dead, along with everyone else on that ship except Seamus/Hugo. Lorelei looks a lot like Johanna though.

I don't see the link between The Sisters of Charity and the CoA, but perhaps they evolved into or joined up with the League of Safety/Security or the Intergalactic Council?

Hugh has apparently made backup plans that make him hard to kill permanently, and may even have backup plans for his backup plans.
 
Hugo essentially got away with killing millions, I'm certain the author can justify an organization like the CoA not just folding up shop because he went tin man, no matter what the "laws" say. This is an group of people that existed for half a millennia. Its not hard to imagine Dr. Diamondi looking for a way to Hugo. She'd need to get close.


Hayami's robot friend looks a lot like the ones on Zytemonde. If Diana notes the same thing once she gets photos, I'm sure she would say something.

Hayami might have been neck deep in some League of Safety/Security stuff and hooked up as an spy/agent of the Intergalactic Council who helped her cheat/die her way out of her judgment debts. It's probably good to have some "squeeze" on your spies.

The Intergalactic Council is apparently big enough to trade and/or war with (page=1380) so it might represent the bulk of the remaining human settlements.

Skull the Troll on March 21, 2018, 10:08:47 am
I don't know why everyone thinks that Antigone and Diamondi "have to be dead" because they were on the ship. Seamus was reported dead on that ship too. We know from Hugo that Diamondi lived to get to Earth but that she was horribly tortured and he believes that both she and Antigone are dead. I'm sure that's true for their organic bodies, but I don't know why ANYONE in this universe wouldn't have regular backups, much less two people who regularly expected to go into conflict. I don't know that this is where the author is going with this, but its not going to strain my sense of the plot one bit if it does. The fact that she looks like Joanna Diamondi is actually probably a mark against the idea. Why would she maintain that image if shes trying to get close? I think more likely is that there is a particular art style to the comic and that's really it. 

UncleRice on March 21, 2018, 10:22:56 am
If Diamondi is alive, I would expect her to be have been promoted to a position in the background. Maybe to a position of financier that would have minimal knowledge of operations.
Stupid criminals put on a mask and rob people with a gun.
Smart criminals put on a suit, call themselves politicians, and rob people with writ of law.

Apollo-Soyuz on March 21, 2018, 03:37:40 pm
I did say "presumed dead"

Seamus' lawful beneficiary stated that Antigone died and, well... page=1090

While it was possible that Antigone or Diamondi had brain backups, it wasn't that common in that era for humans. Notoriously paranoid Seamus didn't even think about doing himself until late in the project. (page=780) I mean who just happens to have a spare android brain hanging around? (page=903)

I don't know why everyone thinks that Antigone and Diamondi "have to be dead" because they were on the ship. Seamus was reported dead on that ship too. We know from Hugo that Diamondi lived to get to Earth but that she was horribly tortured and he believes that both she and Antigone are dead. I'm sure that's true for their organic bodies, but I don't know why ANYONE in this universe wouldn't have regular backups, much less two people who regularly expected to go into conflict.

As a "Pillar of Bubbleopolis", she must have known Nicole/Alyss well.  I would be surprised if she was secretly Diamondi all this time.

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I don't know that this is where the author is going with this, but its not going to strain my sense of the plot one bit if it does. The fact that she looks like Joanna Diamondi is actually probably a mark against the idea. Why would she maintain that image if shes trying to get close? I think more likely is that there is a particular art style to the comic and that's really it.

Skull the Troll on March 27, 2018, 10:00:19 am
Its that "Lawful Beneficiary" that's rubbing me the wrong way. Its so obviously a huge loophole in the "law" that no one would pay the least attention to it. They aren't really descendants, they are the exact same person still loving who they love, etc. Do you think Nicole would just ignore a robot Bombardi if she encountered them? Now I tend to agree with you that this isn't Joanna, but Seamus explicitly did have a backup made and brain on hand just in case. I would think that would be the case for most anyone who expected they might die suddenly even if it was expensive in that era. Imagine the technology existed now. What would you do to make sure you had this on hand for yourself? I'd think that for most people between saving for retirement or saving up to live forever, there wouldn't be many takers for retirement even if all you do is shuffle paper for a living. Soldiers, police, fire, and so on would probably require it of their employers for that matter.