Scott on September 23, 2017, 08:17:19 am
Well I do consider the SLPC to be an authority on bigotry, if they aren't I don't know who is. The entire organization was formed and dedicated to fighting the Jim Crow laws that said black people aren't as good as white people. If you don't believe them perhaps http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cult-of-kek or http://thecultofkek.com/ both of which list Pepe the Frog as the image used for the the Cult of Kek. And if you don't think Pepe is a symbol of racism and bigotry (at least at this point) then I'm pretty sure that says more about you than it does of the Kek worshipers. Now Scott says that this isn't Pepe in the comic and as the author that's pretty unimpeachable. I think he might understand why people might think that way however.

SPLC thinks anyone or any group to the right of Rachel Maddow is racist. I don't think they have any credibility outside of historical Klan activity.

Kek/Pepe/Kekistan is used by racist groups, yes, but it is primarily troll-bait used by anarchists. A gag for mau-mauing the flack-catchers, for triggering the authoritarians on the left. I'm culturally appropriating the meme.

Redwood Elf on September 23, 2017, 06:50:34 pm
Politifact:
Since then from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016  there have been 85 attacks in the country by violent extremists resulting in 225 deaths. GAO reported citing data from the U.S. Extremist Crime Database.

Of those 225 deaths:

106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents;

119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents;

Got the actual facts on that first one? You're sure those aren't actually far LEFT violent extremists like Antifa or BLM? I dunno about you, but I see a lot more violent lefties out there than actual KKK or neo nazis. Not that the KKK or NNs aren't vile piles of excrement, but you would thi

nk such events would be all over the mainstream media and easily documented.

Well my source was Politifact. I'd ask you to name me a death at the hands of a leftist, just one, but I'm sure you would tell me that the lamestream media and fake news are suppressing the news of gun-hating hating pacifists going out and killing people. There isn't much point though. Your position is clear and I'm done talking to you.

One? Try millions. Leftist dictators just love to starve their own people. And when did I mention "Deaths" anyway? Leftist professors whacking someone in the face with a bike lock is certainly violent and was potentially lethal.

DrakBibliophile on September 23, 2017, 07:08:31 pm
Please drop this "fight".  :(


Politifact:
Since then from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016  there have been 85 attacks in the country by violent extremists resulting in 225 deaths. GAO reported citing data from the U.S. Extremist Crime Database.

Of those 225 deaths:

106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents;

119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents;

Got the actual facts on that first one? You're sure those aren't actually far LEFT violent extremists like Antifa or BLM? I dunno about you, but I see a lot more violent lefties out there than actual KKK or neo nazis. Not that the KKK or NNs aren't vile piles of excrement, but you would thi

nk such events would be all over the mainstream media and easily documented.

Well my source was Politifact. I'd ask you to name me a death at the hands of a leftist, just one, but I'm sure you would tell me that the lamestream media and fake news are suppressing the news of gun-hating hating pacifists going out and killing people. There isn't much point though. Your position is clear and I'm done talking to you.

One? Try millions. Leftist dictators just love to starve their own people. And when did I mention "Deaths" anyway? Leftist professors whacking someone in the face with a bike lock is certainly violent and was potentially lethal.
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Skull the Troll on September 24, 2017, 01:56:35 pm
Politifact:
Since then from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016  there have been 85 attacks in the country by violent extremists resulting in 225 deaths. GAO reported citing data from the U.S. Extremist Crime Database.

Of those 225 deaths:

106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents;

119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents;

Got the actual facts on that first one? You're sure those aren't actually far LEFT violent extremists like Antifa or BLM? I dunno about you, but I see a lot more violent lefties out there than actual KKK or neo nazis. Not that the KKK or NNs aren't vile piles of excrement, but you would thi

nk such events would be all over the mainstream media and easily documented.

Well my source was Politifact. I'd ask you to name me a death at the hands of a leftist, just one, but I'm sure you would tell me that the lamestream media and fake news are suppressing the news of gun-hating hating pacifists going out and killing people. There isn't much point though. Your position is clear and I'm done talking to you.

One? Try millions. Leftist dictators just love to starve their own people. And when did I mention "Deaths" anyway? Leftist professors whacking someone in the face with a bike lock is certainly violent and was potentially lethal.
In the theme of the the gamers meme's - Pics or it didn't happen. Give me a name. Also find me a leftist government with a hunger problem in the last 100 years.  Any one. You're level of cognitive dissonance is astounding. That said I'm really disappointed that Scott is apparently agreeing with you on the SPLC. I've always read this comic as a fun romp into a world where libratarianism works. Like the Star Trek universe where socialism works, its unrealistic, but good for story telling. The idea that people cant believe in non-governmental ideas without thinking that society should not care for the welfare of others is a bummer.

Archer on September 24, 2017, 04:33:46 pm
Politifact:
Since then from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016  there have been 85 attacks in the country by violent extremists resulting in 225 deaths. GAO reported citing data from the U.S. Extremist Crime Database.

Of those 225 deaths:

106 individuals were killed by far-right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents;

119 individuals were killed by radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents;

Got the actual facts on that first one? You're sure those aren't actually far LEFT violent extremists like Antifa or BLM? I dunno about you, but I see a lot more violent lefties out there than actual KKK or neo nazis. Not that the KKK or NNs aren't vile piles of excrement, but you would thi

nk such events would be all over the mainstream media and easily documented.

Well my source was Politifact. I'd ask you to name me a death at the hands of a leftist, just one, but I'm sure you would tell me that the lamestream media and fake news are suppressing the news of gun-hating hating pacifists going out and killing people. There isn't much point though. Your position is clear and I'm done talking to you.

One? Try millions. Leftist dictators just love to starve their own people. And when did I mention "Deaths" anyway? Leftist professors whacking someone in the face with a bike lock is certainly violent and was potentially lethal.
In the theme of the the gamers meme's - Pics or it didn't happen. Give me a name. Also find me a leftist government with a hunger problem in the last 100 years.  Any one. You're level of cognitive dissonance is astounding. That said I'm really disappointed that Scott is apparently agreeing with you on the SPLC. I've always read this comic as a fun romp into a world where libratarianism works. Like the Star Trek universe where socialism works, its unrealistic, but good for story telling. The idea that people cant believe in non-governmental ideas without thinking that society should not care for the welfare of others is a bummer.

Basically joined to reply to this. I'll go back to lurking afterwards, so as not to perpetuate the argument further than it needs to be taken.

A leftist attacking people for holding the wrong opinions: Eric Clanton, aka the bike-lock antifa guy.

Leftist (attempted) mass shooter: James Hodgekinson.

Left-wing governments with hunger problems? Lets start with the Holodomor and move on from there.

Apollo-Soyuz on September 24, 2017, 05:49:10 pm
Geez, if we're looking for actual deaths, we don't need to go past the Weather Underground.

Also, Black Liberation Army,  the May 19th Communist Organization, Black Panther Party and the definition probably fits for the Wall Street bombing of 1920, assuming it was pulled off by Galleanist.

(Luigi Galleani gave the left the concept of the "propaganda of the deed", which seems to be the driving force behind much of the anarchists-left violence)


Basically joined to reply to this. I'll go back to lurking afterwards, so as not to perpetuate the argument further than it needs to be taken.

A leftist attacking people for holding the wrong opinions: Eric Clanton, aka the bike-lock antifa guy.

Leftist (attempted) mass shooter: James Hodgekinson.

Left-wing governments with hunger problems? Lets start with the Holodomor and move on from there.

Sean Roach on September 24, 2017, 10:25:57 pm
How about both the Soviet Union, and the PRC's experiences with centralized agricultural management?
For the USSR, Google turned up these gems, but without closer reading, I don't know which one I had heard about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%9347
I think it'd be the latter one I'd heard about, since that's about when the shoe guy would have been in charge.

For China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Heck. I forgot all about Venezuela, today.
Type Venezuela, (or misspell it as I did, I was using Google as a spell-checker), and one of the first things it offers for auto-complete is "Venezuela Food Crisis"
https://www.google.com/search?q=venezuela+food+crisis
I stripped off all the know your browser nonsense, but this link will still work. (Second edit. You don't need to know my monitor resolution.)
« Last Edit: September 24, 2017, 10:47:32 pm by Sean Roach »

Skull the Troll on September 25, 2017, 07:02:29 am
The reply chain was getting too long. I'm just going to say that all of those examples are bad - both the people named as extremists - neither actually killed anyone though the baseball shooter certainly tried.  The Weather Undergroud folded back in 1985. If you want to go back to the 70's I'd agree with you- most extremists were leftists. As for all the countries those arent really leftists - they are totalitarian governments where they use something much like communiism to actually just own everything themselves. When I say leftist I'm thinking of most of Northern Europe. Clearly we differ. That said what I think we need is to come together as fans of the comic. Its a great story- one that people on all sides can enjoy. To that end I'm going to drop the conversation, if you want to reply to my final statements I will read them with respect, but as some others have suggested, drop it.

Archer on September 25, 2017, 04:32:09 pm
Well now I know why nobody's buying from my bagpipe store. There's not a true scotsman in the place.

jmsr7 on September 27, 2017, 06:50:26 pm
...That said I'm really disappointed that Scott is apparently agreeing with you on the SPLC. I've always read this comic as a fun romp into a world where libratarianism works. Like the Star Trek universe where socialism works, its unrealistic, but good for story telling. The idea that people cant believe in non-governmental ideas without thinking that society should not care for the welfare of others is a bummer.

Same.  Libertarianism is laughably non-viable, but stories set in a universe where it works can be interesting.  That's why i keep reading.

Scott on September 28, 2017, 10:13:13 am
The idea that people cant believe in non-governmental ideas without thinking that society should not care for the welfare of others is a bummer.

I don't know where you get that libertarians think society should not care for the welfare of others. Well, maybe some do. But a lot of us do believe in caring for the unfortunate, we just don't think the state should be involved.

My problem with SPLC is that they paint with far too broad a brush, condemning as hate-mongers people and organizations who aren't.

Ming the Merciless on September 28, 2017, 11:17:33 pm
You socialists' dream of Armageddon in Nork, Cuba, Venezuela and Islam, Sunni or Shia...to install it all in USA...

Ming the Merciless on September 29, 2017, 09:25:23 pm

 

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