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Title: Hands Off!
Post by: Quinlan73 on May 16, 2018, 11:42:47 am
Strip 1795:

Someone needs to taze this nitwit asap.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: lurkergao on May 17, 2018, 08:29:10 am
I wonder if smith and holder has the legal right to detain her in this society? They are sorta cops, crooked cops in this instance. If they start lobbing around accusations at Diana does she have a higher authority to appeal to before she dies in her prison cell like Hayame did? On an opposite side of the spectrum since this guy has put hands on her without making any sorta official arrest does Diana have the right to taze him like any other creep on the street?
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: DrakBibliophile on May 17, 2018, 11:03:22 am
While the male S&H guy seems like a jerk, the woman seems shocked at his actions.

As for "being crooked", IMO it is too soon to say that they are.

While there's reasons to not trust S&H, the problems may be on the higher levels of S&H not on the level of these two.

Still, the male may still be a jerk.  ;)

I wonder if smith and holder has the legal right to detain her in this society? They are sorta cops, crooked cops in this instance. If they start lobbing around accusations at Diana does she have a higher authority to appeal to before she dies in her prison cell like Hayame did? On an opposite side of the spectrum since this guy has put hands on her without making any sorta official arrest does Diana have the right to taze him like any other creep on the street?
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Sean Roach on May 17, 2018, 11:05:52 am
It's also possible that S&H are honest, but conservative and a bit risk averse, (they have been in business a long time now, and probably bank a lot on their reputation,) but that the corporation now leaks like a sieve. Everything they report, the bad guys know.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Quinlan73 on May 18, 2018, 09:07:54 am
Neat trick. Not unlike some personal defense devices today.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: macnut on May 18, 2018, 10:23:01 am
If these guys are the equivalent of cops, they don't seem to have much authority compared to cops of today. If Diana had pulled those tricks on today's cops, she'd be facing arrest at the very least. At the most, she'd be lucky to survive.

But in this time, she makes the "cops" stand down. Yeah, I'm really starting to like the QVerse.  ;)
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: UncleRice on May 18, 2018, 10:47:14 am
Insert one attitude adjustment. It's important to remember who writes your paycheck.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: lurkergao on May 18, 2018, 12:52:47 pm
I dont think the black lady is in on it. The guy seems like he might be. And their organization is crooked. They were involved in an attempted murder and then covered it up and shushed the victim. I'm talking about juan's furry friend. They are also somehow involved in hayame's murder/escape. If diana had gone to her apartment she'd probably never be seen again.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: lurkergao on May 18, 2018, 12:59:29 pm
Smith and holder seemed to have existed as a sort of bounty hunter abitration corporation back in antigone stone days. A real societal need since criminals can just live in space with impunity. And different governments cant agree on what the law is in space.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: 0z79 on May 18, 2018, 04:08:15 pm
Smith and holder seemed to have existed as a sort of bounty hunter abitration corporation back in antigone stone days. A real societal need since criminals can just live in space with impunity. And different governments cant agree on what the law is in space.

"Look out for #1, don't drift through #2"?
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Sean Roach on May 18, 2018, 04:11:26 pm
Smith and holder seemed to have existed as a sort of bounty hunter abitration corporation back in antigone stone days. A real societal need since criminals can just live in space with impunity. And different governments cant agree on what the law is in space.

Smith and Holder is an "Assurance Agency", which seems to be some part arbitration service, some part armed guards, some part private detectives. Probably pretty close to the ones described in L. Neil Smith's stories, (one of which used to be on this 'site.)

I don't know if they're crooked, at least to the point of being in league with those who want to inflict government upon everyone else. I suspect it's like the companies of today keeping quiet about data breaches; it looks bad if it happens to them, and could cause them to lose clients.

There is an old saying about good men doing nothing. I suspect it applies in this case: That Smith and Holder, or at least the local manager, has decided to look after the short-term and intermediate-term bottom line over the common good and getting to the bottom of a conspiracy that they, too, are a victim of.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: customdesigned on May 21, 2018, 11:01:50 am
Looks to me like the S&H agents are playing "good cop, bad cop" - and doing it pretty well. 
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Skull the Troll on May 25, 2018, 08:43:56 am
I wonder how the bubbles NAP and customs would resolve the situation between Kempadoo and her. Assuming that S&H is on the up and up, then Kempadoo has a reasonable request to gather information regarding the disappearance of one of its clients. Diana has a right of free movement to not be detained against her will. Assuming that S&H is not on the up and up, she also has the right to defend herself against aggression. I wonder what the "law" says.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: macnut on May 25, 2018, 11:26:13 am
Looks like I may have spoken too soon. It appears that Agent Kempadoo is about to put the heavy jackboots of the "law" on Diana's neck. Of course, if Kempadoo is honest, she may consider Diana a suspect due to her reluctance to cooperate, hence the insistence on her staying put.

Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Bob G on May 28, 2018, 10:39:34 am
They never learn - unless Agent Poopadoo was forewarned by her associates and is wearing some sort of flash-resistant contacts . . .
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Quinlan73 on May 28, 2018, 10:58:48 pm
Based on where Diana's wrist is being gripped, she can still bend her wrist and administer her "lethal response".
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: DrakBibliophile on May 29, 2018, 07:34:50 am
Right now, I'm suspecting that "Dome-Head" will interrupt the situation and will prove to be an ally for Diana.

Of course, I've been wrong before.  ;)
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on May 29, 2018, 04:05:58 pm
They never learn - unless Agent Poopadoo was forewarned by her associates and is wearing some sort of flash-resistant contacts . . .

in the script, but not shown> Agents Tieman and Verdana are even more taken aback.

If she can't use her Zringer and Kempadoo is ready for the flashing device, we have one more trick that we know Diana has in her hand ...if she can reach it of course.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: JanessaVR on May 30, 2018, 12:28:43 am
Ok, I'm pretty sure she can press some charges against this guy (or whatever the equivalent is with S&H) and give them some VERY bad press over this.

Personally, I hope she just shoots him in the head.  He's got it coming at this point.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Coyoty on May 30, 2018, 02:41:54 am
Ok, I'm pretty sure she can press some charges against this guy (or whatever the equivalent is with S&H) and give them some VERY bad press over this.

Personally, I hope she just shoots him in the head.  He's got it coming at this point.

That's a woman.

Definitely going to arbitration.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: El Jefe on May 30, 2018, 02:47:50 am
Oh, Snap!
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Quinlan73 on May 30, 2018, 09:44:27 am
Okay, this so-called, "insurance company" needs a serious personnel review.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: UncleRice on May 30, 2018, 10:51:36 am
This guy better hope he has a back up, she's not going to play nice next turn.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Skull the Troll on May 30, 2018, 12:16:34 pm
This guy better hope he has a back up, she's not going to play nice next turn.

With what? the zringer is out of the equation right now. I'm tempted to say that this answers the question on whether S&H is corrupt now, but this a noir style story. They frequently have reveals later that shift our understand of the motivations. I gotta say I'm liking the format and the shift from out normal characters perspectives. It's added a lot to the world-building.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on May 30, 2018, 07:00:56 pm
With what? the zringer is out of the equation right now.

It's fired/triggered by her 'plant, so if she can aim it with her other hand...

(Also her other device has a 1.5 meter safe zone, the rouge agent is too close)
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Skull the Troll on May 31, 2018, 08:22:16 am
With what? the zringer is out of the equation right now.

It's fired/triggered by her 'plant, so if she can aim it with her other hand...

(Also her other device has a 1.5 meter safe zone, the rouge agent is too close)

Assuming she can think at all through the pain, I don't think Kim is going to let her remove the deadly weapon with her other hand and point it at her. Hopefully she has another zringer in her pocket. They are tiny I don't know why you wouldn't have 5-6 of them all over you if you were in a business that gets violent occasionally. That said, from a story perspective, you don't just waste a good villain like that, so I doubt that's whats going to happen.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Redwood Elf on May 31, 2018, 08:46:31 am
Needless to say, I don't think this is going to end well for the poor Beltape. For all we know, her "Flashy thing" Also has a zriger style weapon built in and all she needs to do is tap the "Death ray" button with her other hand.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: UncleRice on May 31, 2018, 01:40:35 pm
This guy better hope he has a back up, she's not going to play nice next turn.

With what? the zringer is out of the equation right now. I'm tempted to say that this answers the question on whether S&H is corrupt now, but this a noir style story. They frequently have reveals later that shift our understand of the motivations. I gotta say I'm liking the format and the shift from out normal characters perspectives. It's added a lot to the world-building.
She was using her pendant weapon on low power the first time, I presume it was still on low power. I don't think she will do it a third time.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: macnut on May 31, 2018, 02:20:46 pm
With what? the zringer is out of the equation right now.

It's fired/triggered by her 'plant, so if she can aim it with her other hand...

(Also her other device has a 1.5 meter safe zone, the rouge agent is too close)

Assuming she can think at all through the pain, I don't think Kim is going to let her remove the deadly weapon with her other hand and point it at her. Hopefully she has another zringer in her pocket. They are tiny I don't know why you wouldn't have 5-6 of them all over you if you were in a business that gets violent occasionally.

The problem with the "extra zringer in the pocket" thing is that you generally need two working hands to put a ring on. With that wrist broken her other hand's going to be flopping about like a dying fish, useless  to her. Assuming she can break Agent Kempadoo's grip of course, which she has so far been unable to do, and now she has the additional handicap of pain and incoming shock. I think I agree with the others that her only real chance now is if her neck "flasher" has a higher-powered more lethal setting.

Of course, if she kills Kempadoo, she'll most likely have to kill the other two as well, since they are likely to try to kill her in turn, thinking they need to defend themselves. And killing S&H agents is likely to cause a whole new level of trouble for her - at the very least she'll have the rest of the agency after her.

Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: UncleRice on June 01, 2018, 07:50:13 am
That girl is becoming a giant booby trap. A walking land mine.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on June 01, 2018, 01:01:35 pm
Well, she did go to a lot of effort to grab her flyer.  (page=1802)


Guesses in that order.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on June 01, 2018, 01:11:15 pm
4. "dial a remote displacer service" ambulance and rescue from anywhere in Oz, using the new Jackson-Libbi remote displacers.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: lurkergao on June 01, 2018, 03:18:00 pm
These cops is crooked. Of course she'd be paranoid after her apartment got wrecked who wouldnt? Beltape immediately breaks arm of witness/suspect. Not a single arrest being made mind you just talk or else. The problem is how they are going to spin this. Hope diana is somehow recording this.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Quinlan73 on June 01, 2018, 06:32:20 pm
Diana didn't need to have her place burgled to be paranoid. She was born that way.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Bob G on June 04, 2018, 12:01:48 am
Ooooohhhh, S&H is going to be liable for so much in repartions . . .  :-)

So is agent Cock-a-doo-dle-doo just a stupid (Belt)ape, or is she actually in league with Diana's enemies?
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Drolekirts on June 04, 2018, 06:25:17 am
Well, she did go to a lot of effort to grab her flyer.  (page=1802)

Yeah, about that...Scott clearly shows Diana picking up her briefcase/flyer and carrying it into the next room (page 1802), but it doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight on the next page (1803), and she seems to be leaping through the portal without it. Chekhov's briefcase?
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on June 04, 2018, 07:42:49 am
We should see it in panel one, because it's too large to fit behind a thought rectangle.

Two and three fail to show the ground fully, and of course in #4 it would be held in the good hand, which is out of the picture.

We're nitpicking here. It doesn't destroy the storyline, and I'm 100% sure she's got it with her.

Well, she did go to a lot of effort to grab her flyer.  (page=1802)

Yeah, about that...Scott clearly shows Diana picking up her briefcase/flyer and carrying it into the next room (page 1802), but it doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight on the next page (1803), and she seems to be leaping through the portal without it. Chekhov's briefcase?
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: DrakBibliophile on June 04, 2018, 10:16:19 am
It looks like (in the final panel) that she has it slung over her shoulder.

We should see it in panel one, because it's too large to fit behind a thought rectangle.

Two and three fail to show the ground fully, and of course in #4 it would be held in the good hand, which is out of the picture.

We're nitpicking here. It doesn't destroy the storyline, and I'm 100% sure she's got it with her.

Well, she did go to a lot of effort to grab her flyer.  (page=1802)

Yeah, about that...Scott clearly shows Diana picking up her briefcase/flyer and carrying it into the next room (page 1802), but it doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight on the next page (1803), and she seems to be leaping through the portal without it. Chekhov's briefcase?
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on June 04, 2018, 12:53:50 pm
I'm not seeing that. However, the (non-canon) script says:

>Panel 4

>Slinging her flyer-case forward, Diana jumps through the gate.


It looks like (in the final panel) that she has it slung over her shoulder.

Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Drolekirts on June 04, 2018, 04:50:49 pm
We should see it in panel one, because it's too large to fit behind a thought rectangle.

Two and three fail to show the ground fully, and of course in #4 it would be held in the good hand, which is out of the picture.

We're nitpicking here. It doesn't destroy the storyline, and I'm 100% sure she's got it with her.

You're right, about the nitpicking. I don't mean to be critical; it's just that Scott has trained us to be hyper-vigilant because of all of the "little things" he slips into his stories!

Also, the briefcase is clearly seen on the floor in panel one of strip 1803; I don't know how I missed it on my first read. And the point made about using her uninjured limb is a great point; she clearly uses her left hand and arm to carry it in 1802. (pretty obvious, again, I don't know why I didn't think of it myself). I really don't see it as she leaps through in the last panel, though it COULD be obscured by the trench coat.

Well, if she has it on the other side of the portal, I'm not going to bitch about it. As you've pointed out, it doesn't destroy the storyline. If it is a glitch, Scott's earned so much goodwill as a writer and artist that I'm going to shut the f..k up and keep reading.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Sean Roach on June 04, 2018, 08:18:21 pm
We should see it in panel one, because it's too large to fit behind a thought rectangle.

Two and three fail to show the ground fully, and of course in #4 it would be held in the good hand, which is out of the picture.

We're nitpicking here. It doesn't destroy the storyline, and I'm 100% sure she's got it with her.

You're right, about the nitpicking. I don't mean to be critical; it's just that Scott has trained us to be hyper-vigilant because of all of the "little things" he slips into his stories!

Also, the briefcase is clearly seen on the floor in panel one of strip 1803; I don't know how I missed it on my first read. And the point made about using her uninjured limb is a great point; she clearly uses her left hand and arm to carry it in 1802. (pretty obvious, again, I don't know why I didn't think of it myself). I really don't see it as she leaps through in the last panel, though it COULD be obscured by the trench coat.

Well, if she has it on the other side of the portal, I'm not going to bitch about it. As you've pointed out, it doesn't destroy the storyline. If it is a glitch, Scott's earned so much goodwill as a writer and artist that I'm going to shut the f..k up and keep reading.
Two words. "Invisible neckbeard"
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Bob G on June 06, 2018, 08:14:05 am
1804 - " . . .hacking Kempadoo to bits with my shovel."

So Diana has been training in martial arts with her mentor Nicole/Alyss?  }:-)
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Scott on June 06, 2018, 08:35:30 am
Mea culpa: This missing flyer-case in the first panel was an error. I've since fixed it.

And no, Diana hasn't been training in Martial arts. At least not formally. This is just a call-back to when she killed that enforcer-bot with a shovel back on Zytemonde in the Venus 23 arc.


Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Sean Roach on June 06, 2018, 08:47:06 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk%27s_spade
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Skull the Troll on June 06, 2018, 09:48:03 am
Humpf. Looks like the all three of them are in on it. Bethany looked a bit surprised and did question Kempadoo weakly, but shes still following orders and not all that concerned that they just broke a clients arm and have her "besieged" in her apartment. They also seem to be having a bit of a brain fart moment. How could they not think that she could teleport out of there? She works directly for the inventor of teleportation, a tech that has existed for 500 years. Its like if a cop today saw a Maglite employee run into a cave and thought "well at least she can't see in the dark of that cave..."
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on June 06, 2018, 10:25:15 am
I like the way you phrased that.

I like to think we're proofing the hard copy.

In that vein, there's nothing wrong with the speech bubbles in #4 on page=1802, but unless they work so closely together that they finish each other's sentences, both bubbles might belong to one agent.


You're right, about the nitpicking. I don't mean to be critical; it's just that Scott has trained us to be hyper-vigilant because of all of the "little things" he slips into his stories!

Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Apollo-Soyuz on June 06, 2018, 10:35:23 am
http://www.quantumvibe.com/strip?page=1248   a/k/a "axe me what I hate about corebots" in my personal notes

And no, Diana hasn't been training in Martial arts. At least not formally. This is just a call-back to when she killed that enforcer-bot with a shovel back on Zytemonde in the Venus 23 arc.

I quite like the Diana character and see this as a metaphorical "passing of the torch" Hope she's in quite a few more adventures.
Title: Re: Hands Off!
Post by: Sean Roach on June 06, 2018, 02:25:04 pm
How could they not think that she could teleport out of there? She works directly for the inventor of teleportation, a tech that has existed for 500 years. Its like if a cop today saw a Maglite employee run into a cave and thought "well at least she can't see in the dark of that cave..."

Well, no. She was introduced to Bubbleopolis by the inventor of the Murphy drive, and that same person is now her client, but the last part could well be information that Smith and Holder does not have. Remember that Diana was instructed to take an odd route to meet up with the new client.

It's still a remarkable oversight for the Smith and Holder agents to assume that someone wouldn't have such technology available for a quick getaway, or maybe just a hidden door into the adjacent office space or air duct.